Post-Game Talk: Hurricane V - Mod warning in OP - READ IT

[Fitzy]

Be careful I was yelled at for pointing this out.

You don't get yelled at for being wrong, you get yelled at for being one note.

 

[LokiDog]

Of all the people to be bitching about we’re complaining about our 2nd leading scorer who happens to be a dman?

Fox, Igor, and Zib should be exempt from any blame for these playoffs. They’re our big 3 guys who are actually showing up.


He said something like “I’ve never been on a team that works this hard”. Which yea...he had just been a part of a college hockey team for 2 years

Yep. Fox has been up and down and has an excuse if he is a bit gassed. Also, if anyone is even considering excusing Artemi’s absolutely disgusting play based on an injury, Fox should be given triple the benefit of the doubt, since he’s still playing reasonably well and didn’t look like a selfish slug for most of the regular season as well.

Panarin, Strome, Kreider. 22M+ no shows who are playing like they’re terrified of every single player in an opposing uniform.

 

[LokiDog]

You don't get yelled at for being wrong, you get yelled at for being one note.

Imagine not being able to understand that.

 

[Raspewtin]

yeahhhh this thread is about as embarrassing as predicted lol

I mean I lost my shit last night but some of you need to take a walk

 

[Doctyl]

Yep. Fox has been up and down and has an excuse if he is a bit gassed. Also, if anyone is even considering excusing Artemi’s absolutely disgusting play based on an injury, Fox should be given triple the benefit of the doubt, since he’s still playing reasonably well and didn’t look like a selfish slug for most of the regular season as well.

Panarin, Strome, Kreider. 22M+ no shows who are playing like they’re terrified of every single player in an opposing uniform.

I’m personally convinced Panarin is injured. I’ve never seen him play like this. It’s close to being scratch worthy, he’s been a total detriment.

f*** Strome with a cactus

Kreider...idk what happened. He had such a good season and he looked good at the end of the pens series.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

We all knew the Canes want to play this way. At least it took 5 games before they took it to us.

Rangers need to put their hard hats back on because hard skating and battles are the only reason theyre still playing. If theyre gassed theyre gassed but the effort wasnt there last night. Almost every puck battle went the other way. Chasing their tail all game.

 

[Larrybiv]

Picked the boys in 7 in the series talk thread , sticking to that ..................

u kind of have no choice, lol

 

[LokiDog]

I’m personally convinced Panarin is injured. I’ve never seen him play like this. It’s close to being scratch worthy, he’s been a total detriment.

f*** Strome with a cactus

Kreider...idk what happened. He had such a good season and he looked good at the end of the pens series.

I don’t think there is an injury that can excuse Panarin, frankly. Maybe take some of the blame, but he played like this, to an extent, all year.

Forcing cross ice passes that were easily picked off to go the other way. Curling up just inside the blue line and forcing a back hand no look pass to a point man that isn’t there. Trying to dance and dangle around defenders at both blue lines and getting stripped. It was less egregious in the regular season because the stakes were lower and teams weren’t almost guaranteed to make you pay the way they are now. That and teams don’t play lock down, balls out hockey all regular season, so even if he gave it up and killed the possession 50% of the time, it didn’t hurt us the way it does now. When the defense is this tight, you can’t afford to do their job for them with the turnovers night after night. You have to make the smart, simple play, get the puck deep and make the other team win it back. You can’t give it to them. If my only issues with Panarin were his production, I’d accept an injury excuse. He’s making selfish, lackadaisical decisions with the puck non stop. It’s not simply not having the wrist strength to get the pass through. It’s simply a pass that should never be made. It’s not lacking foot speed to make the dangle. It’s the fact that you should never try to dangle an oncoming forechecker at your own blueline because every peewee knows it’s a high risk to go the other way. I can’t give Bread any amnesty from criticism in these playoffs. He’s been worse than MIA. He’s an actual detriment. At almost 12M. Only McJesus has a higher cap hit.

 

[Larrybiv]

Impressive that we had no legs, no energy & no emotion. We mailed it in after the disallowed goal & got what we deserved.

yes, exactly. Its like it took the wind out of their sails, a big disappointment but......that shouldnt derail a GOOD team, have to have better gumption and suck it up, and score shortly afterwards like they did against Pitt. I think.

 

[Unpredictable1]

I was thoroughly disappointed with the lack of physicality last night. Especially with Svenchikov running around trying to maim people and Martinhook allowed to do whatever h
e wanted.

We had 0 physical pushback. Like someone else said on here - we don't have enough wolves. (sorry Panarin, you're not part of that very short list)

Cmon Saturday, MSG will be rockin

 

[Rangers in 7]

i fully expect the rangers to win on saturday, because if ive watched anything worse then the rangers on the road in this series, its the canes on the road the entire playoffs

 

[Doctyl]

I don’t think there is an injury that can excuse Panarin, frankly. Maybe take some of the blame, but he played like this, to an extent, all year.

Forcing cross ice passes that were easily picked off to go the other way. Curling up just inside the blue line and forcing a back hand no look pass to a point man that isn’t there. Trying to dance and dangle around defenders at both blue lines and getting stripped. It was less egregious in the regular season because the stakes were lower and teams weren’t almost guaranteed to make you pay the way they are now. That and teams don’t play lock down, balls out hockey all regular season, so even if he gave it up and killed the possession 50% of the time, it didn’t hurt us the way it does now. When the defense is this tight, you can’t afford to do their job for them with the turnovers night after night. You have to make the smart, simple play, get the puck deep and make the other team win it back. You can’t give it to them. If my only issues with Panarin were his production, I’d accept an injury excuse. He’s making selfish, lackadaisical decisions with the puck non stop. It’s not simply not having the wrist strength to get the pass through. It’s simply a pass that should never be made. It’s not lacking foot speed to make the dangle. It’s the fact that you should never try to dangle an oncoming forechecker at your own blueline because every peewee knows it’s a high risk to go the other way. I can’t give Bread any amnesty from criticism in these playoffs. He’s been worse than MIA. He’s an actual detriment. At almost 12M. Only McJesus has a higher cap hit.

He’s certainly not getting amnesty from me in terms of criticism. He’s awful right now.

Just watching that breakaway he had in game 4, I feel like there’s some lower body thing going on. Fast has no chance of closing that gap on Panarin normally. If he can barely move out there, I feel like he’s trying to overcompensate with stupid passes instead of just skating with the puck like he normally does.

 

[Leonardo87]

When I see a mod warning in the first post of a PGT, then I know it was bad in here. Lol

 

[Doctyl]

I was thoroughly disappointed with the lack of physicality last night. Especially with Svenchikov running around trying to maim people and Martinhook allowed to do whatever we wanted.

We had 0 physical pushback. Like someone else said on here - we don't have enough wolves. (sorry Panarin, you're not part of that very short list)

Cmon Saturday, MSG will be rockin

I’m glad we had Reaves in the lineup. Could you imagine what that game would’ve looked like without someone deterring them?

 

[LokiDog]

He’s certainly not getting amnesty from me in terms of criticism. He’s awful right now.

Just watching that breakaway he had in game 4, I feel like there’s some lower body thing going on. Fast has no chance of closing that gap on Panarin normally. If he can barely move out there, I feel like he’s trying to overcompensate with stupid passes instead of just skating with the puck like he normally does.

That may be. But he’s a tenured NHL star who should know the fundamentals of the game, and if he doesn’t we have an entire coaching staff of guys who should have taken him aside and explained it to him by now: hey Arty, we know you’re hurting and trying real bad to make an impact - instead of over compensating and hurting your team, make the simple play. Sure, if you see something, of course we want you to try to attack it and be a difference maker. But if you don’t see something, stop trying to force it. You’re hurting your team.

That’s a pretty simple conversation, which, if it hasn’t happened yet, the Rangers need to hire me because I don’t give a f*** how big of a star you are. I don’t do hero worship and special treatment. I’m gonna talk to you like a man and tell you what you need to be told. I really hope we have at least one presence on the coaching staff who is like that.

I’ll do their motivational, military speaking and their strength and conditioning.

 

[ArPanet]

Ok, I'm glad you brought up Chicago. One thing that has always been in the back of my mind is why did Chicago give up on him so soon? Traded for Brandon Saad no less. I know they committed a ton of money to Kane and Toews. And while Columbus bid for him, did they not try to enter contract talks with him in-season? I might not have all the facts or history behind him, but him jumping teams a couple of times has always puzzled me.

I remember reading at the time that Chicago wanted to bring back Saad because he worked well with Toews and that they would get more value out of that contract while Kane could just play with anybody

 

[Rangers in 7]

you know ive almost completely forgotten about goodrow because hes been hurt, but truthfully if he hadnt been injured i think that would have went a long way towards the rangers winning this series

id go as far to say that if blais and goodrow were both playing this series would have been over already

 

[Doctyl]

Ok, I'm glad you brought up Chicago. One thing that has always been in the back of my mind is why did Chicago give up on him so soon? Traded for Brandon Saad no less. I know they committed a ton of money to Kane and Toews. And while Columbus bid for him, did they not try to enter contract talks with him in-season? I might not have all the facts or history behind him, but him jumping teams a couple of times has always puzzled me.

Stan hit the panic button hard. In the 2017 offseason he

Brought Sharp back to f*** Keith’s wife again
Traded Panarin, Motte, 6th for Saad, Anton Forsberg, 5th
Traded Hjalmarsson for Connor Murphy and Laurent Dauphin
TVR and Kreuger to Vegas

Thats was not a man thinking straight at all.

 

[FultonReed]

it's just pain

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Imagine not being able to understand that.

So I can't discuss something perfectly valid in your opinion just because it's something that I mention more than other things? That makes sense. We have posters that only complain about Strome or the kids yet they don't get the same treatment.

 

[Unpredictable1]

I’m glad we had Reaves in the lineup. Could you imagine what that game would’ve looked like without someone deterring them?

That's not where I was going with that, but I can see how someone would take it that way - outside of a couple folks, everyone kept themselves at stick's reach. I would have gladly taken Jesper Fast's relentless and honest forecheck over that shit showing last night. We peeled away and held up all night.

I don't need Reaves out there to just get players to play physically. Just because a team plays suffocating defense once they have the lead - that's when you should be even more physical.

 

[Doctyl]

That may be. But he’s a tenured NHL star who should know the fundamentals of the game, and if he doesn’t we have an entire coaching staff of guys who should have taken him aside and explained it to him by now: hey Arty, we know you’re hurting and trying real bad to make an impact - instead of over compensating and hurting your team, make the simple play. Sure, if you see something, of course we want you to try to attack it and be a difference maker. But if you don’t see something, stop trying to force it. You’re hurting your team.

That’s a pretty simple conversation, which, if it hasn’t happened yet, the Rangers need to hire me because I don’t give a f*** how big of a star you are. I don’t do hero worship and special treatment. I’m gonna talk to you like a man and tell you what you need to be told. I really hope we have at least one presence on the coaching staff who is like that.


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[Ola]

We are beaten fair and square. Facts are:

1. Ziba is not on a ‘win a series’-level when facing the toughest match-up lines. This should not come as a surprise to anyone, since it’s very clear from his record here.

Our 1st does not give us a big edge.

2. Panarin is having a down year. Was not in great shape early in the year. He is now mishandling passes and what not. Is he hurt? We may never know. No matter what, this line is hardly dominating a tough match-up. Copp is playing well though.

It’s not only Panarin that isn’t at the top of his game. Fox is a top 10 MVP in this league but we have leaned very hard on him and he isn’t used to playing this much/later either. He hasn’t been peaking the last months.

3. 4 of the last 5 years the team with the best 3rd line in the league — by a wide margin — has won the cup? Right. Pittsburgs and Tampas 3rd’s where both border line de facto 1st lines.

Well in any event, our 3rd is below average for a contender.

4. We can of course not even remotely complain on Shesty, but he hasn’t been playing at a clear Conn Smyth level.

-> With the cap all teams have flaws. Can we beat Carolina? Definitely! We have beaten Pittsburg and I think we could beat Tampa.

But the odds of this team beating all three of Pittsburg, Carolina and Tampa in consecutive series is low. If it’s a coin flip with a slight advantage for us in the first round it’s the other way around in the two following. Odds aren’t 1/8, it’s lower.

Ultimately, we come back to what we have discussed the last two years. It’s not about finding snipers, Power Forwards or whatever with this team — we must focus on building lines that are really hard to play against. I am not super sold on that such a line could be built around Mika, he can finish and play well, but he is carrying around a big body and pucks are flying a bit all over the place. It’s ultimately about doing a better job than the guys on the other side, which will be a top 5-10 line in the league at shutting you down. Panarin’s line is a better bet — but not with Strome.

The 3rd must be much better.

And honestly, it’s time to really dig down and follow what actually works on the ice this time of the year and not live in the past listening to TSN or whatever. A Greenway-JER-Foligno line would have been a disaster against this Carolina team. I take someone like Motte over someone like Gauthier 100/100, and the same of course applies vs guys like Greenway and Foligno. Sure, you must have a number of wingers on the roster that can work the boards — but it’s speed and skill at center ice that make a difference.

 

[LokiDog]

So I can't discuss something perfectly valid in your opinion just because it's something that I mention more than other things? That makes sense. We have posters that only complain about Strome or the kids yet they don't get the same treatment.

You can do whatever you want. I didn’t give you any kind of warning or punishment. I basically said “oh god, here we go again”. If you’re tired of that reaction you should probably balance out your fixation. I don’t know what kind of victim complex you have but, I’ve been called a moron, hater, idiot, and told I’m obsessed with one of our posters just these past 24 hours for criticizing the kids. You have no clue who else does or doesn’t get infractions. You just like feeling persecuted. In general, the mass of posters here tends to disagree with your goalie rants more often than not, and tends to agree with Strome rants more often than not. At this point you’re the boy who cried wolf when it comes to goalies. Even if you have something credible to say, people have assigned you zero credibility because you have cried out about the goalies so many times in the past. That’s not on us. A great cure for a persecution complex is taking responsibility for your own actions.

 

[savebyrichter94]

That may be. But he’s a tenured NHL star who should know the fundamentals of the game, and if he doesn’t we have an entire coaching staff of guys who should have taken him aside and explained it to him by now: hey Arty, we know you’re hurting and trying real bad to make an impact - instead of over compensating and hurting your team, make the simple play. Sure, if you see something, of course we want you to try to attack it and be a difference maker. But if you don’t see something, stop trying to force it. You’re hurting your team.

That’s a pretty simple conversation, which, if it hasn’t happened yet, the Rangers need to hire me because I don’t give a f*** how big of a star you are. I don’t do hero worship and special treatment. I’m gonna talk to you like a man and tell you what you need to be told. I really hope we have at least one presence on the coaching staff who is like that.


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Honestly, this all sounds like the duties and responsibilities of a Captain but we have 6 A’s instead which seems to speak volumes quite loudly at times