Post-Game Talk: Hurricane V - Mod warning in OP - READ IT

[I Eat Crow]

I will believe in Cuylle and Berard when they are here making an impact.

They're high floor, moderate ceiling players, especially Berard. He'll either be our Brad Marchand or at worst a watered down Sean Avery type minus the distractions. Cuylle is a lot more of a low ceiling/high floor guy, but he's a 4th liner, easy. Othmann is the wild card here. Matthew Tkachuk or total bust.

 

[Boris Zubov]

But they can in game 7.

We need to get there first.

 

[Machinehead]

This team is a year or two ahead of schedule and by and large, are not done building yet.

Yeeting Strome to Seattle and bringing Copp back is a start. If Copp is really doing what he's doing with one knee, he's part of the solution and this next wave's core.

The window starts to open once Othmann, Berard, Cuylle, and Garand replace Vatrano, Strome, Rooney, and Georgiev.

I can't help but to think one more big move is coming in a year or two as well.

Lafreniere and Kakko breaking out is also an accelerant at the very least, although I lean more towards it being necessary. At least one of them.

I like what we've seen from them in the playoffs. I do think it's a valid concern that we need more finishing from them. Part of it is certainly ice time, but they also seem to always miss chances. At a certain point, it's not an accident.

It's far from a lost cause. It needs to be a primary goal for this team to get the most out of them. I don't think this is just who they are. I think too many of our younger players have that "lacking bite" factor for it to be the players. It's a pattern. Maybe it's a flaw, maybe it's just circumstance. Either way we need to get on that.

 

[hackeyman]

Outcoached. You can also say outcoached.

You're like listening to a scratched record being played over and over again.

 

[will1066]

I mean the MacKinnon thing is obviously tongue in cheek since he’s known for being super crazy about nutrition and stuff. That’s not my ideal leader, that’s just adding some levity to the post.

The team is mentally weak and strong at the same time. The polarity is what’s so ducking maddening. The resiliency to come back time and time again, yet the ineptitude to not be able to bring a consistent effort for 50, let alone 60 minutes most night and certainly almost never in back to back games. Maddening.

Yup, the polarity. I described it as a "chasm" that exists between Rangers and Rongos. Look, every team is not immune to it. I mean, we saw the Avs completely shit away their series clincher last night to the Blues when they look completely on a different plane and dimension at times. The Flames are down 3-1 in their series. But none of those teams play as lifeless as we do when we're bad.

 

[LokiDog]

Everyone is playing injured. It's the NHL playoffs. We just watched Crosby play game 7 with what was very likely a concussion that he shouldn't have played through.

If Panarin is injured and he can't play well than he shouldn't be playing.

And he DEFINITELY shouldn't be leading all forwards in ice time. Panarin had two more minutes of ice time than any other forward on the team today. Two more minutes. That is a giant chasm of ice time when it comes to forwards in the NHL playoffs.

Panarin played ten seconds less tonight than Nathan MacKinnon did last night in a game that went to overtime where MacKinnon had a hat trick and was galloping all over the St. Louis Blues every time he had the puck. Oh, and MacKinnon didn't even lead Avs forwards in ice time.

He played more tonight than Connor McDavid has played the past three games for the Oilers. Connor McDavid who has about ten thousand points this playoffs so far gets less ice time than Artemi Panarin who plays like he downed a bottle of whiskey in the lockerroom before every game.

He's been playing like trash pretty much the entire playoffs. This we all know. He may or may not be hurt. Let's assume he's hurt. Why is he getting so much more ice time than every other forward on the team (while playing like utter garbage)?

Vodka. Have some f***ing cultural sensitivity, swine.

 

[McRanger92]

I mean the MacKinnon thing is obviously tongue in cheek since he’s known for being super crazy about nutrition and stuff. That’s not my ideal leader, that’s just adding some levity to the post.

The team is mentally weak and strong at the same time. The polarity is what’s so ducking maddening. The resiliency to come back time and time again, yet the ineptitude to not be able to bring a consistent effort for 50, let alone 60 minutes most night and certainly almost never in back to back games. Maddening.

I think part of that is definitely the youth of the team, and I'm not just talking about age. These are the first playoff battles this group is going through together, and personally I think they've really answered the bell.

Obviously some flaws (Panarin & Strome's play through these 12 games is very high on the list) but I still fully expect to take the Canes to 7.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Yeah, Strome has to go. I’m not 100% sure Copp is the answer there either though. And I think Chytil is a winger.

Strome is as good as gone. Copp is good and will be resigned. They will also trade for a center in the off season using a package of our 1st(assuming we keep it) and a top prospect.

 

[nevesis]

Goodrow is sorely missed. Crazy to imagine Blais and what he would have added right now too

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

I wish we could see and hear what goes on in the lockerroom. If Lafreniere leads in the lockerroom at all like he does by example on the ice, I'd slap the C on him now. I don't care who's feelings get hurt in the lockerroom. Put an A on Lindgren. Put an A on Miller.

Those are the guys who have earned it IMO.

Maybe taking As away from the vets and snubbing them for the C will light a fire under their rear ends. If their feelings are hurt they can waive their NTC/NMC.

I absolutely think that the C is a card that Gallant can play on the way to this cup. Hopefully it's not just a dream. It can happen.

 

[LokiDog]

I’d probably do some very mild (some kinksters might even call it tame) self mutilation to bring Matt Tkachuk to this team in place of Bread or CK.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Talking about trading Panarin is crazy. I understand the logic but he’s too important to the team. He’s been a solid playoff player in the past so it’s not like it’s his style of play that’s the problem. He’s clearly off his game and most definitely playing injured. That doesn’t excuse his play because everyone is injured, but I’m not getting rid of our best player because he had a poor playoff showing (while scoring a series winning OT goal) while injured. He’s not getting traded, nor should he short of swapping him for McDavid or Matthews or Draisatil.

I really think having an injured Panarin with an injured Copp and our slowest and most meandering center in the middle, it’s no surprise that line isn’t working. Copp can barely move, Strome chooses not to move and you have Panarin who is clearly injured and it’s limiting his passing and obviously it’s in his head and messing up his timing and passing. He’s trying to do too much and overthinking everything. They need to be broken up.

 

[mas0764]

Lafreniere and Kakko breaking out is also an accelerant at the very least, although I lean more towards it being necessary. At least one of them.

I like what we've seen from them in the playoffs. I do think it's a valid concern that we need more finishing from them. Part of it is certainly ice time, but they also seem to always miss chances. At a certain point, it's not an accident.

It's far from a lost cause. It needs to be a primary goal for this team to get the most out of them. I don't think this is just who they are. I think too many of our younger players have that "lacking bite" factor for it to be the players. It's a pattern. Maybe it's a flaw, maybe it's just circumstance. Either way we need to get on that.

Yeah I think it’s necessary.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Lafreniere and Kakko breaking out is also an accelerant at the very least, although I lean more towards it being necessary. At least one of them.

I like what we've seen from them in the playoffs. I do think it's a valid concern that we need more finishing from them. Part of it is certainly ice time, but they also seem to always miss chances. At a certain point, it's not an accident.

It's far from a lost cause. It needs to be a primary goal for this team to get the most out of them. I don't think this is just who they are. I think too many of our younger players have that "lacking bite" factor for it to be the players. It's a pattern. Maybe it's a flaw, maybe it's just circumstance. Either way we need to get on that.

I think they're playing somewhat timid it being their first time in the dance. Going back to the Quinn era "afraid to make a mistake" hockey. Both showed flashes against the Pens. It's almost like they were told to be more conservative this series.

Next season is going to be Lafreniere's coming out party if he gets top 6 minutes and is allowed to work through the rough patches. I think Kakko could be dealt if the right opportunity presented itself. At minimum, he's getting a one year prove it deal. I wouldn't give him 2 or 3 years. Either he busts and he's worth a 4th rounder at the end of that deal or he'll be asking for $8 million a year if he breaks out when Shesterkin will need to be paid.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Goodrow is sorely missed. Crazy to imagine Blais and what he would have added right now too

We were pillow soft tonight, reminded me of last season....those guys were desperately missed.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

This we're on the same page with. It's not over by any stretch. Carolina hasn't impressed me one bit during this series. They play bullshit Devils/Trotz trap hockey. If they can't match the Staal line against our top line, they can't win.

They're the Fruit-Os to the Devils' Froot Loops.

The Devils had Hall of Fame players and still played that suffocating trap and picked and held and hooked.

This Canes team is 100% smoke and mirrors. They get exposed on the road because they don't have last change and can't matchup, and their pick plays don't work when they're chasing. They don't have anyone other than Aho when their system falls apart.

All we have to do is expose them again on Saturday and score a couple goals in game 7.

 

[pjzabo]

NO QUIT IN NY? We flat out quit tonight in Carolina. Our "star" forwards (I know we don't really have any) but our faux stars - Panarin, Kreider ARE INVISIBLE Mika is at least making a serious effort. What is it with Kreider - he is completely afraid of contact, he refuses to skate to the net which was his forte when he joined the League.

It's so puzzling that the team I watched dominate Tuesday in person did not show up tonight. Or at least after Strome's disallowed goal (first time he didn't shoot directly into Raanta's gut or 3' wide of the net) COMPLETELY stopped playing.

I should be happy that we are even in a game 6 second round game given my original expectations post season. GG is an enigma. Love how composed he is but at some point he seemed TOTALLY content to surrender this game. "Let the hockey gods sort it out I'm not getting involved." I was begging time out multiple times in the 2nd and 3rd Can we reset PLEASE? Nada.

I think we can win on Saturday and hope that happens. I agree Game 7 is a crapshoot. But not enough players on this team showing hunger, fire and physical strength when it matters most. 15 shots on goal?????

 

[TriFF51]

If they can push to game 7, it's gonna take a hell of a lot of puck luck and Igor playing the game of his life because we can generate offense for shit in that building. They could throw Georgiev in net and the results of this series would be the same. Just way too easy.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

I think they're playing somewhat timid it being their first time in the dance. Going back to the Quinn era "afraid to make a mistake" hockey. Both showed flashes against the Pens. It's almost like they were told to be more conservative this series.

Next season is going to be Lafreniere's coming out party if he gets top 6 minutes and is allowed to work through the rough patches. I think Kakko could be dealt if the right opportunity presented itself. At minimum, he's getting a one year prove it deal. I wouldn't give him 2 or 3 years. Either he busts and he's worth a 4th rounder at the end of that deal or he'll be asking for $8 million a year if he breaks out when Shesterkin will need to be paid.

$8 million?!?!?!

Let him get a 50 point season first.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Goodrow is sorely missed. Crazy to imagine Blais and what he would have added right now too

Those guys would have been huge in this series. Hopefully Blais stays healthy next year.

 

[Machinehead]

I think they're playing somewhat timid it being their first time in the dance. Going back to the Quinn era "afraid to make a mistake" hockey. Both showed flashes against the Pens. It's almost like they were told to be more conservative this series.

Next season is going to be Lafreniere's coming out party if he gets top 6 minutes and is allowed to work through the rough patches. I think Kakko could be dealt if the right opportunity presented itself. At minimum, he's getting a one year prove it deal. I wouldn't give him 2 or 3 years. Either he busts and he's worth a 4th rounder at the end of that deal or he'll be asking for $8 million a year if he breaks out when Shesterkin will need to be paid.

Shesterkin's extension is when I turn heel but let's save that for later.

 

[NYRfan39]

just going to leave this here to distract you from the disaster we saw tonight

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Talking about trading Panarin is crazy. I understand the logic but he’s too important to the team. He’s been a solid playoff player in the past so it’s not like it’s his style of play that’s the problem. He’s clearly off his game and most definitely playing injured. That doesn’t excuse his play because everyone is injured, but I’m not getting rid of our best player because he had a poor playoff showing (while scoring a series winning OT goal) while injured. He’s not getting traded, nor should he short of swapping him for McDavid or Matthews or Draisatil.

I really think having an injured Panarin with an injured Copp and our slowest and most meandering center in the middle, it’s no surprise that line isn’t working. Copp can barely move, Strome chooses not to move and you have Panarin who is clearly injured and it’s limiting his passing and obviously it’s in his head and messing up his timing and passing. He’s trying to do too much and overthinking everything. They need to be broken up.

I'm in the minority here but Panarin hasn't been that bad. He's pressing. But the corpse of Strome is a heavy ball and chain to drag around when you're constantly double and triple teamed by the opponent.

 

[CLW]

We need to get there first.

Yup. It will be very interesting to see what happens if the Canes get the first goal at the MSG. I'm extra annoyed because GG changed what worked well in the first two games, protecting our blue line, games we could have won with better finishing/lucky bounces. This time he opened up (hubris imo) and they spanked us like all the times before, not galaxy brain stuff.

 

[Machinehead]

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just going to leave this here to distract you from the disaster we saw tonight

McKegg is still ugly