How much would you give Callahan on his next contract?

[Inferno]

5x5 max for him.

if thats too much, and you cant get a deal done before the deadline, move him.

 

[vipernsx]

His Shoulder is going to take time to fully heal, now his knee. There are few players like Capn' Cally who have a solid forecheck and score goals. He's in the mold of Brown and Backes. Wheeler signed for 5.6AAV and with a rising cap, Cally could get 6 easily. 6m x 6-7 years or trade him at the deadline for some solid youth.

 

[Inferno]

His Shoulder is going to take time to fully heal, now his knee. There are few players like Capn' Cally who have a solid forecheck and score goals. He's in the mold of Brown and Backes. Wheeler signed for 5.6AAV and with a rising cap, Cally could get 6 easily. 6m x 6-7 years or trade him at the deadline for some solid youth.

for a guy almost literally injured every year, who plays a very tough on the body type game...i wouldnt give him that kinda money.

Brown has the body to play that way as does Backes....Cally really doesnt.

5x5 max.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Callahan will likely get 6 years $6M+ per year on the open market.

Let the team we trade him to worry about it. This core is rotten and Callahan consistently being injured isn't helping matters.

 

[Leonardo87]

$5.25M for 5 years.

If he wants to stay, which he says over and over he does, he will take something in lower duration. He did that for his last contract.

As per the amount, I don't think anyone should complain over that. Especially for a guy who has one of the top selling Jerseys in the NHL. lol.

 

[Leonardo87]

Callahan will likely get 6 years $6M+ per year on the open market.

Let the team we trade him to worry about it. This core is rotten and Callahan consistently being injured isn't helping matters.

They signed Lundqvist, so obviously they still believe in the core.

 

[Mikos87]

6 x 5.4 is what I'd offer. If he hits the market, they'll need to ante up an 8 year at a higher cap hit if they want to retain his services. Ultimately think he and G get near identical long term deals.

If they sign by Jan then 6 year deals. If they hit FA, then I think we see them elsewhere. BUF or STL or Cally. TOR or LA for G.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

They signed Lundqvist, so obviously they still believe in the core.

Lundqvist is one of the best in the league at his position, and extremely marketable.

Its one thing to dismantle your core -- its quite another to trade a guy who will likely go down as a top 5 Ranger ever.

 

[Bullseyes]

They signed Lundqvist, so obviously they still believe in the core.

Lundqvist has been the best goaltender in the league for most of his career (minus this season). He's an elite player in the NHL. Ryan Callahan is not. He's not anywhere near Lundqvist's level. There's a difference between the two.

 

[doncherrysgrill]

You're willing to dismantle the core after one bad season? The team was in the conference finals two seasons ago, and the conference semi-finals last season. With a coach everybody hated and said played "caveman hockey". It's funny, this board wanted Torts gone and a more offensive-minded coach brought in, and now the true colors of this team are showing.

Here's the thing: on a real contender a guy like Callahan is your complimentary piece. The captain is often a guy like that, not exactly the most skilled player but good enough to play in your top 6. Callahan is a fine option on the 2nd line ANYWHERE in this league. He'd play on the 3rd on a few teams, but you have to consider the guy a #5-6 type forward. Unfortunately, he's been thrust into a role where he's routinely looked at as the #2 or 3 guy. It's hard to live up to expectations when you, as an undersized grinder, are expected to carry a team offensively. Under Torts' system, or even a similar one (like say, Ken Hitchcock's) Callahan can play his game and be very effective. Under Vigneault's system, he can't. That simple. Don't be so quick to dump Callahan because of a bad coaching hire.

Dustin Brown's contract is worth $5.875 AAV. I'd give Callahan close to the same but slightly less. Somewhere in the $5.5-5.7 range. I don't think that's over-valuing the guy at all.

 

[vipernsx]

for a guy almost literally injured every year, who plays a very tough on the body type game...i wouldnt give him that kinda money.

Brown has the body to play that way as does Backes....Cally really doesnt.

5x5 max.

The point is, how few guys that play the style are out there and that increases value. I'm not apposed to trading Cally, but if the Rangers did then we'd all be clamoring about needing a gritty forward willing to go to the dirty places, and one that could score goals. Outside Nash, Callahan is the closest thing the Rangers have to a goal scorer and he's the only offensive player who does the dirty work.

Someday, could Kreider be that guy? Sure, but he's got to show he can keep up the intensity for more than 6 games at a time then disappear for 10.

 

[Fitzy]

If 5x5 is what we are offering, we better start looking at getting Zuccarello an extension while he is still in a reasonable price range.

Because with that cap raise, Callahan is going to get what he wants and more in a market bidding war.

 

[Leonardo87]

I need to keep defending Cally, I know the odds are he will be re-signed. But it just makes me feel better, lol. Here are some numbers that will show his worth....

Over the last 3 seasons including this one, this is what he has done..

146 Points in 205 Games = .71 PPG Average
76 Goals in 205 Games = .37 GPG Average

He missed an average of 12 Games per season over the last 3 including this one.
So do the math even if he is injury prone..

70 Games X .71 PPG = 50+ Points
70 Games X .37 GPG = 25+ Goals

So even if Cally gets hurt, he is still going to produce 25+ goals, accoring to this statistic, and statistics and averages are almost everything when signing someone.

Do you really want to give up a 25+ goal scorer who also kills penalties, one of the better forwards on the PP, and puts effort and heart into every play?

Say he does not get hurt then he has the potential to produce around 60 points and around 30 goals in a season. He is in his prime now, and I am sure he is going to start playing smarter to avoid injury, which means more offense and less blocking shots, since most of his injuries has been from blocking shots. What happened last Tuesday was a fluke the way he turned and the other player swung around, and he only sprained his knee, could of been a lot worse.

 

[Off Sides]

What else are they going to use that cap space on?

If the choice is Callahan at 6M per or the next free agent they are just going to have to buyout in 3 years anyway, I'd go with Callahan.

 

[Bullseyes]

Say he does not get hurt then he has the potential to produce around 60 points and around 30 goals in a season. He is in his prime now, and I am sure he is going to start playing smarter to avoid injury, which means more offense and less blocking shots, since most of his injuries has been from blocking shots. What happened last Tuesday was a fluke the way he turned and the other player swung around, and he only sprained his knee, could of been a lot worse.

Part of what makes Callahan valuable in the first place is what he'd have to stop doing (and quite frankly isn't doing as well this season as in the past) to avoid injury. His offense isn't valuable enough on it's on. He's also not a consistent 50 point player, let alone a consistent 60 point, 30 goal scorer.

 

[Fitzy]

What else are they going to use that cap space on?

If the choice is Callahan at 6M per or the next free agent they are just going to have to buyout in 3 years anyway, I'd go with Callahan.

You don't need to fill the cap every year. If this year's UFAs don't carry a bargain, you can give some kids a chance. It depends on the NYR agenda. The Sather agenda. There are some good scoring free agents and centers this year, but it depends. One might consider it just a re-allocation of resources.

 

[NewLife]

What else are they going to use that cap space on?

If the choice is Callahan at 6M per or the next free agent they are just going to have to buyout in 3 years anyway, I'd go with Callahan.

Its cool to be below the cap for a year or two while re stocking the team, you gotta think about the future when the club isnt close to be a contender. Well its the Rangers after all so I guess that doesnt count for us.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

let him go, hes going to use the Clarkson contract as a bench mark especially since he's been better

 

[Off Sides]

You don't need to fill the cap every year. If this year's UFAs don't carry a bargain, you can give some kids a chance. It depends on the NYR agenda. The Sather agenda. There are some good scoring free agents and centers this year, but it depends. One might consider it just a re-allocation of resources.

Its cool to be below the cap for a year or two while re stocking the team, you gotta think about the future when the club isnt close to be a contender. Well its the Rangers after all so I guess that doesnt count for us.

Is there any evidence the Rangers are not going to use that cap space and every part of it?

Is there any evidence Sather and company would pick the right free agents to use that space on?

I'll take Callahan that they lucked into drafting and developing over whatever else they can come up with.

 

[TheTakedown]

Is there any evidence the Rangers are not going to use that cap space and every part of it?

Is there any evidence Sather and company would pick the right free agents to use that space on?

I'll take Callahan that they lucked into drafting and developing over whatever else they can come up with.

Again, we know what we're getting with Cally, and we know it's not worth more than AAV of $5.5/year...

If it's either that, or the possibility of a big-time UFA who can actually get some scoring talent on this team, I'm open to it.

Then again, Sather at the helm is a bit... meh

 

[Off Sides]

Again, we know what we're getting with Cally, and we know it's not worth more than AAV of $5.5/year...

If it's either that, or the possibility of a big-time UFA who can actually get some scoring talent on this team, I'm open to it.

Then again, Sather at the helm is a bit... meh

Right, we all know all about the big time free agents and why they are on the market in the first place, or why they are overpaid from that market.

I guess I just don't see this team being a free agent or two away from anything spectacular.

If the argument was to offer these free agents to be normal market contracts pre-deadline and if they did not sign them, move them for 1st round picks and blue chip prospects I could certainly get on board with that. However that is not going to happen. They might as well do what they did with Lundqvist, get Callahan signed even if it means overpaying because that is about as creative as this organization is ever going to get. It's either pay for what they know or pay for what they do not know(or refuse to admit before paying for it.)

 

[NewLife]

Is there any evidence the Rangers are not going to use that cap space and every part of it?

Is there any evidence Sather and company would pick the right free agents to use that space on?

I'll take Callahan that they lucked into drafting and developing over whatever else they can come up with.

No and no, thats why Sather shouldnt be in charge.

With the coaching change comes a new philosophy about how the team should be built and play, right now we dont have the personell for AVs hockey and I dont much confidence in Sather to make the right moves.

 

[Off Sides]

No and no, thats why Sather shouldnt be in charge.

With the coaching change comes a new philosophy about how the team should be built and play, right now we dont have the personell for AVs hockey and I dont much confidence in Sather to make the right moves.

I do not have faith either in Sather or in that they should build a team based on what the coach wants to do.

Wouldn't it make more sense just to have good, hard working, talented players that can play any coaches style considering the shelf life of a Ranger coach versus the average Rangers player contract length?

 

[NewLife]

I do not have faith either in Sather or in that they should build a team based on what the coach wants to do.

Wouldn't it make more sense just to have good, hard working, talented players that can play any coaches style considering the shelf life of a Ranger coach versus the average Rangers player contract length?

Yeah of course. It's not like I don't like Callahan, I love the man but the way he plays and with his injury history I just think the risk is too big to lock him to big bucks. I don't want a Drury 2.0 when this team hopefully is ready to compete for the cup. If we trade him today he would probably net some valuable pieces and help this team take a step in a new direction which we need to do.

 

[Callagraves]

People keep comparing Callahan to Drury. You really shouldn't.

Yes, Cally has become injury prone. It's easy to look at his time missed, and say that he's "breaking down" (which, by the way, is a medical improbability to a ridiculous degree), and ignore that most of his injures have been from being hit with a 90 mph+ piece of frozen, vulcanized rubber.

There's no legitimate evidence to suggest that Cally's bone's are significantly more brittle now than they were 3 years ago. Yes, the human body's bones do grow weaker over time, but It'd be closer to 37 than 27 that such a factor would become a problem.

As for his shoulder, I don't think people ought to be using that against him. He played 20+ games with a torn labrum, and managed to score at about his usual pace, and still be one of the most physical on the team. Frankly, that's awe inspiring. The injury happened off of a freak accident, he landed wrong in a fight with Max Talbot, and it tore his shoulder up. Could happen to anyone. Again, he'd never suffered an injury to that shoulder (at least, no in his NHL career), so there's no evidence of "breaking down"

And finally, his knee. He hurt it early in the game, and up until that point, he had actually, in this particular game, been playing like the old Cally. He was throwing his body left and right, almost recklessly, trying to break out of the funk. He landed a hit awkwardly, and his knee twisted in an odd fashion.

Most of you know what happens when you play recklessly: someone gets hurt.


Chris Drury suffered from a degenerative knee disease. He also didn't, "break down"; he was sick. It took so much out of him that most AHLers would have been able to skate circles around him, and it's entirely likely that if he hadn't suffered such a chronic illness, he might still be playing today.

There's a difference between someone like Callahan, who gets hurt beacuse he blocks shots, fights in front of the net, or goes hard into corners, someone like Drury, a very good player who suffered from a chronic degenerative joint disease, and someone like Gaborik, who would pull a muscle for no damn reason.