Thread talking about Callahan leaving or resigning shouldnt exist anyway. If he didnt suck this year it wouldnt exist. He is an injury mess
How much would you give Callahan on his next contract?
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Thread talking about Callahan leaving or resigning shouldnt exist anyway. If he didnt suck this year it wouldnt exist. He is an injury mess
Ail
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People are judging him on the last 20 games which is a joke. In fact he has 7 goals on a team struggling to score goals, placing him 2nd in goals, and he missed a lot more games than most of the forwards.
Lundqvist is having his worse season, and he gets his extension. They are going to look at what Cally has done over the last couple of seasons prior to this one, and he is still in his prime now. It's also what he does on both sides of the ice as well as scoring goals.
As per what to give him 5 X 5 would work for everyone. Won't kill the cap space and it won't create a long contract in case of injury.
I hope he does, he should hopefully be back in a few weeks according to reports. Just in time for the 2nd half.
Ail
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Not really, this is more about the injuries than the production. The guy finds ways to break, sprain, rip, pull, or bruise something every year.
Lion Hound
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The larger picture is not a short term memory loss. Everyone here knows the player poured his heart and soul out for the Rangers.
The larger picture is the GM has backed himself into a corner. Offered too much money to others. Now he can't keep both. Truthfully he shouldn't over pay for 1, let alone both Callahan and Girardi.
These two are going to try to get every penny they can. Blinders off...It would be a long term mistake. Keep the franchise healthy. 1st rounders, plus player/prospects. Stock the cupboard. Will give you more power to make moves at a latter date.
The larger picture is the GM has backed himself into a corner. Offered too much money to others. Now he can't keep both. Truthfully he shouldn't over pay for 1, let alone both Callahan and Girardi.
These two are going to try to get every penny they can. Blinders off...It would be a long term mistake. Keep the franchise healthy. 1st rounders, plus player/prospects. Stock the cupboard. Will give you more power to make moves at a latter date.
Bullseyes
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I'm judging him off the injuries that he gets every season, not just this one.
Lundqvist has been the best goaltender in the league for several season now. Callahan is an average 2nd liner. There's a difference between the two.
Emptyvoid
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It sucks but this core that we've seen grow up and develop, aren't good enough to get us a cup. Gotta trade them while they still hold value, Cally especially due to injuries.
Trade Staal when he comes back (I'd really love to get Murphy from carolina if possible)
Trade Girardi and Cally for 1st rd picks and A/B prospects.
Keep MDZ, he's part of the solution imo.
Trade all the dead weight (Pyatt, Pouliot, etc)
Trade D. Moore and B. Boyle for 2nd round picks.
Lots of retooling can be done this trading deadline, this is a PRIME opportunity for us. Glen isn't going to be around forever, this would be a great way to set us up for a strong future.
Trade Staal when he comes back (I'd really love to get Murphy from carolina if possible)
Trade Girardi and Cally for 1st rd picks and A/B prospects.
Keep MDZ, he's part of the solution imo.
Trade all the dead weight (Pyatt, Pouliot, etc)
Trade D. Moore and B. Boyle for 2nd round picks.
Lots of retooling can be done this trading deadline, this is a PRIME opportunity for us. Glen isn't going to be around forever, this would be a great way to set us up for a strong future.
haveandare
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Depends on his priorities I guess. I'd expect him to be the type of guy who wants to win before it's all over more than he wants to do anything on that list, most of which he could do on any team, including many, many more competitive teams than Buffalo.
How much would a NYR GM give Callahan? Tough to say since Callahan has the leverage at the moment. If the Rangers trade him, he's missed time to three injuries this season, is an UFA, so his trade value is low. If he hits the market, he is going to get paid. Plays a hard-nosed game, very good PKer, and in the prior three seasons, even with missed time, is still 13th in goals and 20th in points among RWs. He brings a lot to the table. Tough to say, and depends a lot on how his season goes, but Callahan is def in the driver's seat right now and how much he makes depends on what he decides to do. Pains me to say this after all the great effort he's given us, but if the right trade is there I'd entertain it if I were the GM.
I hope we don't re-sign him and possibly get some value from trading him.
This team has a dirty habit of giving out long over-inflated contracts to UFAs going into their 30s. This means their contract exceeds their level of play for the majority of its duration. This is bad cap management and a reason for our eternal mediocrity.
With Callahan, I don't see him taking less than 5x5 which I believe he would get in the open market.
This team has a dirty habit of giving out long over-inflated contracts to UFAs going into their 30s. This means their contract exceeds their level of play for the majority of its duration. This is bad cap management and a reason for our eternal mediocrity.
With Callahan, I don't see him taking less than 5x5 which I believe he would get in the open market.
mrhockey193195
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In no world is Ryan Callahan an average 2nd liner. This season, with the way he's been playing? Sure, absolutely. Feel free to say he's been playing worse than that. But over the past 5 seasons? No way in hell. He's been an elite second liner.
You guys have absurd expectations of what a 1st line and what a 2nd line should look like, even for teams that want to compete for the cup.
No, he isn't. Nor ever was. Cally is a 2nd/3rd line two way grinder that played well in a defensive forechecking system catered around his strengths. He has limited ability with the puck and needs to be surrounded by the right type of players to maximize his output.
With that said, he is very good player that would be a serious asset to any team that is vying for a run at the Stanley Cup.
especially because there is nothing to stop us making him an offer as a UFA anyway
mrhockey193195
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One of the best PKing forwards in the league who managed to score 29 goals in 76 games? Give me a break. If you can name 30 RWers in the league who are better than Callahan, then I'll eat my words.
If the LA Kings can win the cup with Dustin Brown as their #1 RW, then any team can win the cup with Ryan Callahan as their #2 RW. And another point...since I lived in LA and went to a ton of games, I figured I would remind people that LA was ready to trade Brown just prior to their cup run in 2012. Apples and oranges, I know, since Callahan has been very injury prone and his contract is up...but just a small reminder to people who seem to have turned on him after 25 games.
Just look at scoring, as one angle. Perhaps it would it surprise you to find out that the RWs who are 31-60th in scoring (second liners for argument's sake) average under 40 points in a season, or that the RWs in the 61-90 spots average about 20 points. Not even looking at all he does beyond scoring, that's where you see him as a 2nd/3rd line grinder - that 20/40 point range?
Prior three seasons among RWs, Callahan is 13th in goals, 20th in points, 3rd in PP goals, 8th in SHG, 5th in GPG, 13th in PPG, he hits, blocks shots, is an excellent PKer, and plays a solid two way game. That's your definition of a 2nd/3rd line grinder? Even with injuries and missed time, he is still the 13th leading goal scoring RW the past 3 combined seasons and does a lot more than score goals.
Bullseyes
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I think he's an average 2nd liner, not just this year but for most of his career. He's not a consistent 50 point player nor is he a player than can play with any type of player.
His defense is also overrated.
mrhockey193195
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Thanks for making the argument that I was trying to make, but much more clearly.
Raspewtin
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I'd like to add on to this.
Last year he was 28th amongst RWers for ES points. Additionally, in that top 30 only Tampa, Chicago, Montreal, Boston, and Anaheim had more than one RWer in the top 30. Where's St. Louis, Los Angeles, San Jose, or Pittsburgh? Sure fire cup contenders, Cally would be 2RW on all of those teams.
The "he's a third liner" argument only works because he doesn't mesh well with skill heavy guys.
However, I still think we trade him, and his defense is definitely overrated.
n8
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Well if you believe captain Callahan can lead this team to a cup one day you will want to give him that new contract. It doesn't seem like many on the board believe he can lead us there, I don't blame the thinking his play in the postseason leaves a lot to be desires for a captain.
