How can the culture be changed with Dubas still in charge?

[Gallagbi]

Impatient fans again ?? This team has not won a playoff round since 2003 and a Cup since 1967. What do you expect ??

It's not about expecting patience, I get the outrage, it's understanding that panic moves made from frustrated fans haven't helped historically

 

[Captain Crunch]

Funny, regular season everyone was sayin this team has the best lockerroom, than we lose in playoffs and lots of ignorant fans here blaming the culture lolll. Like can you beta boys stop complaining and let the management do their jobs..

For sure. After all, it’s what you do in the regular season that counts. Winning in the playoffs is for losers.

 

[kb]

Yeah it's the fans intelligence and overreaction that causes this team to choke every year

Yes, those fans who each and every year want to blow it up when they don't win instead of respecting there is a process.

Sounds wonderful to hear from the fanbase how shit you are all the time. Currently trying to run Marner, Holl, Nylander, Andersen, etc out of town. Ran Murphy out of town and then whined so hard for Wendel that the Leafs traded the pick that became Luongo for him.

It's revisionist history to think this has not happened.

 

[GardinerTheForward]

Well you all here complaining about the dumbest shit.. Im pretty sure the management don't give a shit what u clueless emo fans think.. This team was one of the best teams in the nhl last year and you still got ignorant fans like u tryin to call for a culture change lmao. You all literally make this fanbase a joke. Just leave

Buddy no wonder u think we were good, ypu think rielly is good. We only did ok cause campbell and north division being trash. We all need to get real. We’re a just inside the playoff line team and on the decline

 

[Captain Crunch]

Well you all here complaining about the dumbest shit.. Im pretty sure the management don't give a shit what u clueless emo fans think.. This team was one of the best teams in the nhl last year and you still got ignorant fans like u tryin to call for a culture change lmao. You all literally make this fanbase a joke. Just leave

Yes, it’s great for all you Dubas fanboys. smh

 

[The CyNick]

Yup Weber, Chariot, Edmundson and Petry had nothing to do with it. It was all Price and of course the refs. Got it.

Always amazes me how people don't see what happened in the last 3 games of that series. Leafs were bullied and had no answer. Price was very good, but it wasn't just him. Suzuki dummied our top stars. Caufield was more dangerous than anyone else on the ice. Perry was difference maker while Simmonds sat on his hands.

 

[ToneDog]

It's not about expecting patience, I get the outrage, it's understanding that panic moves made from frustrated fans haven't helped historically

I don't think anybody is asking Dubas to make panic moves and luckily Dubas is not one to make them. The cap is predicted to be flat for up to the next 5 years. If you paid 4 forwards 1/2 because you expected the cap to rise on a yearly basis, to not even entertain changing course now is nuts. As Scotty Mac said this a.m., the ship is sailing straight towards an iceberg and Dubas is not steering around it.

 

[Dekes For Days]

How many other GMs across all sports have stated multiple times that they are willing to bet everything on their core players?

How many other GMs across all sports have had to deal with a fanbase so irrational when it comes to their core players in their early 20s?

 

[Captain Crunch]

Yes, those fans who each and every year want to blow it up when they don't win instead of respecting there is a process.

Sounds wonderful to hear from the fanbase how shit you are all the time. Currently trying to run Marner, Holl, Nylander, Andersen, etc out of town. Ran Murphy out of town and then whined so hard for Wendel that the Leafs traded the pick that became Luongo for him.

It's revisionist history to think this has not happened.

Can you please explain what process Dubas is doing?

 

[Community]

Buddy no wonder u think we were good, ypu think rielly is good. We only did ok cause campbell and north division being trash. We all need to get real. We’re a just inside the playoff line team and on the decline

Rielly was probably our best player in these playoffs and has definitely been our best playoff player in the Big3&4 era.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I think that's more about deflecting criticism to him. I think he has area's he could improve, but he seems to be very much a players GM. Maybe that will be ground out of him over time, but he seems to stand up for them and support them. We just need that to translate into the players doing more for him.

Marner needs to prove he can be the player, he's paid to be. Matthews is paid fair value, Tavares is paid market value, Nylander is on a decent deal. I'd love if they all took less, but when they took those contracts and structured the cap around them, no one planned for a pandemic creating a flat cap. It makes judging contracts hard, sometimes I feel like the Leafs are just cursed, because had those three been signed two years earlier, we'd be laughing about it, two years later and the flat cap is a factor, but no we signed them at the time right before the world goes to shiat.

Dubas has gone above and beyond for Marner to the point where it's almost laughable. He gave him too much on his contract to make up for mistreatment/a lack of bonuses from the previous regime despite the incredibly toxic negotiation tactics from Marner's camp. He gave him a letter. He gave him a coach who plays him with the optimal linemates and gives him tons of minutes in every situation. He publicly shields him from any sort of criticism. When Marner had zero goals in a playoff series, Dubas called criticism of him idiotic. And Marner's way of repaying him for all of that was to have yet another series with zero goals, and state to the media that he doesn't intend to change his preparation for next year. I'm not Dubas and even I am pissed at how Marner has taken advantage of him so horribly.

I think every player is different and responds to different things. With Nylander, it was probably the right call for Dubas to publicly defend him and Nylander has paid him back for it. Marner doesn't seem to deserve that treatment, and I think we are getting to a point where it's bad for the entire team

 

[saffronleaf]

Gonna run it back with the same group minus the hardest working forechecker (only forechecker?) on the team in Hyman. That's a recipe for improvement

I'm expecting the Leafs to be leading 3-0 against the Habs in the first round and then getting reverse sweeped. Marner no goals in 25 straight games.

 

[Dekes For Days]

They are THE result. Repeatedly losing suggests the make-up is faulty.

They are a result. There are many reasons a team can lose a series, and we have not repeatedly lost with this make-up. In fact, one could argue we haven't seen this make-up at all in the playoffs yet.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Let's be real the only shake up Dubas can realistically do is trade Nylander, and that doesn't send the best message after the post season he had.

- Trading Matthews is Career Suicide
- JT Can't be traded (unless you ask your captain to waive his NMC, not happening)
- You can't win a Marner trade. You might not even be able to come out even. This guys gets to play with Auston Matthews, but can't score in the playoffs. Also, like his buddy, they can't seem to produce offense when the moment shines bright.


Dubas is at the least stuck with the core 3. Only Nylander can realistically be moved for a more balance team. Unfortunately, he's close to being the best value of all four. I don't envy Dubas's job. Team can't get out of the first round for years and his only option is to run it back. Unless it clues in with the core guys that playoff hockey is a different breed the outcome will be the same.

 

[Dreakmur]

They are a result.

They are the result that gets counted. All the rest are just fluff. The team with the best corsi doesn't advance to the next round...

There are many reasons a team can lose a series, and we have not repeatedly lost with this make-up.

The core has failed over and over. A few bit pieces don't matter.

In fact, one could argue we haven't seen this make-up at all in the playoffs yet.

If anyone was going to make that argument...

 

[ToneDog]

Let's be real the only shake up Dubas can realistically do is trade Nylander, and that doesn't send the best message after the post season he had.

- Trading Matthews is Career Suicide
- JT Can't be traded (unless you ask your captain to waive his NMC, not happening)
- You can't win a Marner trade. You might not even be able to come out even. This guys gets to play with Auston Matthews, but can't score in the playoffs. Also, like his buddy, they can't seem to produce offense when the moment shines bright.


Dubas is at the least stuck with the core 3. Only Nylander can realistically be moved for a more balance team. Unfortunately, he's close to being the best value of all four. I don't envy Dubas's job. Team can't get out of the first round for years and his only option is to run it back. Unless it clues in with the core guys that playoff hockey is a different breed the outcome will be the same.

Trading Nylander now would be selling high but he is not going anywhere. The guy most likely to be moved is Rielly because he is a pending UFA and we need a PP QB, not to mention a true #1D.

 

[Stephen]

Funny this is the actions I remember were primarily pre-Internet. I think this Era has largely taken so much hate (and through decades) that it is expected.

The rush moves that really hit home to me are the Murphy boo'ing and bring back Wendel movement that cost us Lou

I remember the Stormin’ Norman Rumack call in shows with our apoplectic fanbase clamouring for this and that, but I do think that a good management staff shouldn’t worry too much about comments the peanut gallery, especially in the more polished corporate era.

 

[Stephen]

Good analogy. Here's mine.

This fanbase orders onion rings, then immediately starts yelling into the kitchen telling the cook how to do his job, and finally throws them all over the floor in disgust because they hate the cook.

Well no, because we got soggy onion rings made by trainee and apparently it was wrong to order onion rings.

 

[ToneDog]

They are the result that gets counted. All the rest are just fluff. The team with the best corsi doesn't advance to the next round...



The core has failed over and over. A few bit pieces don't matter.



If anyone was going to make that argument...

Changed the GM, fired the coach, changed the D (2x), changed the bottom 6, changed the goalie and the same results.

 

[kb]

Well no, because we got soggy onion rings made by trainee and apparently it was wrong to order onion rings.

Or they claim their light and crispy rings are soggy because they can't see past their hatred of the cook.

 

[Jozay]

Let's be real the only shake up Dubas can realistically do is trade Nylander, and that doesn't send the best message after the post season he had.

- Trading Matthews is Career Suicide
- JT Can't be traded (unless you ask your captain to waive his NMC, not happening)
- You can't win a Marner trade. You might not even be able to come out even. This guys gets to play with Auston Matthews, but can't score in the playoffs. Also, like his buddy, they can't seem to produce offense when the moment shines bright.


Dubas is at the least stuck with the core 3. Only Nylander can realistically be moved for a more balance team. Unfortunately, he's close to being the best value of all four. I don't envy Dubas's job. Team can't get out of the first round for years and his only option is to run it back. Unless it clues in with the core guys that playoff hockey is a different breed the outcome will be the same.

They should ask Tavares to waive. He doesnt have to waive and the Leafs dont need to make it toxic, but they should ask.

But who knows if anyone touches the contract. Maybe Vegas lol.

 

[Stephen]

So Kyle Dubas’ radio message today is his belief in the group because of how hard they work. But how do they know if they’re working hard enough if there’s such a dearth of management and championship experience?

 

[Mr Papagoergyo]

Dubas just keeps digging the hole deeper.
Weak pipeline line,low on picks. Holes throughout the roster,It's not looking good.

 

[Lemontree]

Yeah it's the fans intelligence and overreaction that causes this team to choke every year

Of course, that is why Tampa is back to back Cup champs. Has nothing to do with their scouting staff or player development. Its solely because south Florida fans are the most intelligent and passionate hockey fans in the world.

 

[Stephen]

Or they claim their light and crispy rings are soggy because they can't see past their hatred of the cook.

Or we went through a six year test kitchen deep dive on how onion rings are made, sourced the best ingredients in the world and at the end the onion rings are as soggy as Dave Nonis’. Maybe it’s not personal.