How are you feeling about Tavares these days?

[Ianturnedbull]

It's probably already been stated, but TOR has 2 x shoot first centers. It seems like Dubas' plan to win with 2 expensive centers has not worked.

Tavares is certainly losing his game. Many grounded people thought that the last few years of his contract could get ugly. It's showing now. There's no question.

As for 2 x shooting centers scouting/defending is too easy. Especially on special teams.

That being said JT will likely be like Sundin and not waive to help TOR with futures/assets. He just doesn't seem like the type to do it, and long before that he will likely not be honest with himself about his waning ability.

 

[sxvnert]

"The last few years of the deal..." and here we are.

Hopefully Tavares will do right by toronto and willingly accept a trade to whatever city he chooses. Otherwise if he pulls a muskoka five style hold out the fan base will rightfully turn on him.

 

[rutz]

I doubt Tampa moves on from Stamkos

Tampa got multiple Stanley Cups out of their Core superstars. I'm not confident signing Tavares will ever get the Leafs to winning the Stanley Cup.

 

[Gallagbi]

One doesn't work on a trade like that in a jiffy it takes time to work on it. That pos dubas had plenty of time to do it and didn't do F all.

You can't expect a new GM to come in and make such a massive deal within a month. If a GM does that more likely than not he would get fleeced

Imagine thinking an experienced GM with league contacts can't work out a deal in a month. Literally the whole league and fanbase was waiting to see a massive deal that isn't delivered.

I do share the concern of getting fleeced though, especially after that Huberdeau/Weegar deal. The bar may be on the floor at the floor and we're still somehow under it.

 

[Stephen]

From the moment the contract was inked we all knew the last 2 years or so would hurt. The idea was that the team would be utterly top to bottom elite for the first 5 years. But during those 5 years Tavares had 1 elite year but otherwise put up his career statistics more or less. He didn't give us "value" on the contract, but lived up to what the expectations were at the time. As a player. As a TEAM is a different story.

The team was not the success it was supposed to be these past 5 years. We were supposed to be saying right now "Yeah, for these last two years of Tavares contract he's an anchor... but he lead us to 3 deep playoff runs and a cup." Without the success we saw as essentially inevitable, the contract just looks like a mistake top to bottom.

Tavares has just not been the level of star player you pay $11 million in 2018-2024 dollars.

 

[Dayjobdave]

JT will be here next year. The Leafs can’t give up more futures to clear out contract, and JT will give us a friendly deal next time.

 

[Stephen]

JT will be here next year. The Leafs can’t give up more futures to clear out contract, and JT will give us a friendly deal next time.

Let’s say JT is giving us the Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver level games in 2 years time on a regular basis. What’s the dollar value for that level of struggling?

 

[hotpaws]

Imagine thinking an experienced GM with league contacts can't work out a deal in a month. Literally the whole league and fanbase was waiting to see a massive deal that isn't delivered.

I do share the concern of getting fleeced though, especially after that Huberdeau/Weegar deal. The bar may be on the floor at the floor and we're still somehow under it.

imagine still having faith in a GM who got molested in the Kadri/Foligno/Murray/McCabe/Gio trades , lol

 

[hotpaws]

Let’s say JT is giving us the Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver level games in 2 years time on a regular basis. What’s the dollar value for that level of struggling?

at that level of play you don't want him on the roster

unfortunately name recognition goes a long way with some fans

 

[WillyC]

JT riding his worst slump since becoming a Maple Leaf… do I think he rebounds from this?

F Yeah

The sky is hardly falling… we’re still in this.

 

[Raging Bull]

"The last few years of the deal..." and here we are.

Hopefully Tavares will do right by toronto and willingly accept a trade to whatever city he chooses. Otherwise if he pulls a muskoka five style hold out the fan base will rightfully turn on him.

What contending team could afford him? He's here for the duration of that contract.

 

[hotpaws]

What contending team could afford him? He's here for the duration of that contract.

no contending team would want him

the team would have to make up a fairy tale to appeal to his massive ego , something like the Hawks are desperate to have him to mentor Bedard

 

[horner]

TBay is starting to heat now 7 wins 3 loses last 10
Even if we hang on to a wild card spot we won't beat Florida Boston or TBay.

 

[All Mod Cons]

JT will be here next year. The Leafs can’t give up more futures to clear out contract, and JT will give us a friendly deal next time.

Nope. He'd better not re-sign for any amount at all. The experiment is done.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Robidas Island would make more sense than a trade for a number of reasons, stay in Toronto, earn the paycheque. But unless he's playing with some injury no one knows about he's more cooked than injured.

July 1, 2025.

Mutually agree to terminate the contract and sign as a faceoff coach.

 

[horner]

Imagine thinking an experienced GM with league contacts can't work out a deal in a month. Literally the whole league and fanbase was waiting to see a massive deal that isn't delivered.

I do share the concern of getting fleeced though, especially after that Huberdeau/Weegar deal. The bar may be on the floor at the floor and we're still somehow under it.

Tkachuk only wanted to play for Florida.
He also got a 1st and a C prospect

Toffoli trade Sharangovich + 3rd
Sharangovich 32 pts

 

[Wrong Wilson]

Let’s say JT is giving us the Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver level games in 2 years time on a regular basis. What’s the dollar value for that level of struggling?

League min?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Tavares has just not been the level of star player you pay $11 million in 2018-2024 dollars.

But his stats from 2018 till now exceed his average from rookie year to 2018. He's been as advertised.

I guess it was just a bad contract from the start if the expectation was for him to be significantly better than what his entire career presented up until that point. Imagine if only San Jose had him at 13 mil. (Which I don't think was a real thing. It was just the gm saying that to make it look like he tried hard to get him.)

Imagine if Columbus got Marner to sign that "alleged" offer sheet at 13 mil (plus losing FOUR first round picks). There's no way that would happen. We get taken to the cleaners based on lies, rhetoric, and bullshit.

 

[LeafEgo]

Time to lower JTs responsibilities and increase Willie's.

Bert-Matty-Mitch
Domi-Willy-Holm
MK/NR-JT-Jarn

 

[Mad hatter]

When he signed the contract most of us on here were worried about the last two or three years. IMHO he’s actually been better this year than I figured he would’ve been when the deal was signed. He’s always been a slower skater so for him to be just slowing down now is pretty good I think

 

[notDatsyuk]

But his stats from 2018 till now exceed his average from rookie year to 2018. He's been as advertised.

I guess it was just a bad contract from the start if the expectation was for him to be significantly better than what his entire career presented up until that point. Imagine if only San Jose had him at 13 mil. (Which I don't think was a real thing. It was just the gm saying that to make it look like he tried hard to get him.)

Imagine if Columbus got Marner to sign that "alleged" offer sheet at 13 mil (plus losing FOUR first round picks). There's no way that would happen. We get taken to the cleaners based on lies, rhetoric, and bullshit.

If you omit his rookie season, he was better in New York. And that's not even taking into consideration that he's played virtually every game here with either Nylander or Marner feeding him at ES, and both on the PP.

He's been a career 'good for him, not so much for the team' player.

But him play isn't the problem. The most significant thing is that we didn't need an $11M 2C when we already had Kadri and Nylander.

 

[Stephen]

But his stats from 2018 till now exceed his average from rookie year to 2018. He's been as advertised.

I guess it was just a bad contract from the start if the expectation was for him to be significantly better than what his entire career presented up until that point. Imagine if only San Jose had him at 13 mil. (Which I don't think was a real thing. It was just the gm saying that to make it look like he tried hard to get him.)

Imagine if Columbus got Marner to sign that "alleged" offer sheet at 13 mil (plus losing FOUR first round picks). There's no way that would happen. We get taken to the cleaners based on lies, rhetoric, and bullshit.

The dream in 2018 was probably just to contend, go deep in the playoffs and win a cup or two and however the sausage got made JT would be a big part of that championship climb.

But as the championship goals fell short, that highlights and isolates JT and talk goes towards production, etc. His production is fine but I always found he was underwhelming getting to PPG.

 

[ruaware41]

Does blame go to the captain for the fact that every game where there is an ounce of pressure or it is meaningful in some way or would be embarrassing to lose they always lose?

Ebug game - Loss
Series clincher vs columbus - Loss
Game vs Providence Bruins (AHL bc they're whole team was injured) - Loss
Tavares return game to Long Island - Loss
Montreal game 7 - Loss

Can anyone give me one regular season game where there was something truly meaningful behind it - like a very easy opposition (like the AHL Bruins game) with higher pressure to beat them or another really meaningful regular season game where this team actually went out there and won?

 

[Stephen]

imagine still having faith in a GM who got molested in the Kadri/Foligno/Murray/McCabe/Gio trades , lol

Pittsburgh also spent $18.95 million dollars on Erik Karlsson, Ryan Graves, Lars Eller and Noel Acciari... All multi year deals, the earliest one expiring after 2025-26, the latest running till 2028-29. So if that's the parallel offseason we could have had at least most of Treliving's one year deals will disappear by this summer.

 

[hotpaws]

Pittsburgh also spent $18.95 million dollars on Erik Karlsson, Ryan Graves, Lars Eller and Noel Acciari... All multi year deals, the earliest one expiring after 2025-26, the latest running till 2028-29. So if that's the parallel offseason we could have had at least most of Treliving's one year deals will disappear by this summer.

the best part of the Dubas fan club ignoring how crap there hero's summer was in Pitt is them somehow believing after 5 failed off seasons here he would have worked magic had he not been kicked to the curb like the piece of crap he is