Honest question....

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  • Marner @ $12 million per + assets of trading Nylander

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  • Nylander @ $9.5 million per + assets of trading Marner

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Just look at rosters for next season though and look at teams that can fit him and are trying to win and could also give Toronto what they would want. I can’t think of many - as I said earlier: maybe Buffalo or Nashville. Maybe Carolina.

Edit: Carolina could be a good fit. I could see them giving up Jarvis+Morrow for Marner. You’d just want some assurance that Morrow is going to sign.
No idea, I just know it's a much wider market off season than it is at the deadline.
Any team wanting to fit him in could figure out a way to do it.
All moot anyway, they aren't dumb enough to trade him. It's not a deal you'll win.
 
No idea, I just know it's a much wider market off season than it is at the deadline.
Any team wanting to fit him in could figure out a way to do it.
All moot anyway, they aren't dumb enough to trade him. It's not a deal you'll win.
On pure talent you lose a Marner trade 9/10 times. On value per dollar I’d argue you’re more likely to win a Marner trade.
 
So basically you are saying that every team in the league without Matthews and Marner can’t score and are worse than the Leafs. What about the teams that have advanced beyond the first round in the last 6 years. What about the teams that have won the cup in the last 6 years without Marner and Mattews…….how did they do it

I'm saying trading your franchise winger, and franchise center, thereby gutting your offense would be stupid.

You talk about teams winning the cup.

Last time I checked Tampa didn't do it by trading Point, Stamkos and Kucherov.

And Colorado didn't do it by trading Mack, Langdeskog and Rantanen.

Trading Marner and Matthews would be stupid

The market for Meier ended up being CAR, NJD and VGK in the end. How many teams can you name that can fit in Marner?

In the end yes but the actual market for him started at about 10 teams.
 
I'm saying trading your franchise winger, and franchise center, thereby gutting your offense would be stupid.

You talk about teams winning the cup.

Last time I checked Tampa didn't do it by trading Point, Stamkos and Kucherov.

And Colorado didn't do it by trading Mack, Langdeskog and Rantanen.

Trading Marner and Matthews would be stupid
This also ignore the countless teams who have held onto their core for too long and never won. The difference between the Leafs and the teams you mentioned (COL, TBL) is that they showed they could win a round before they won 4.
 
This also ignore the countless teams who have held onto their core for too long and never won. The difference between the Leafs and the teams you mentioned (COL, TBL) is that they showed they could win a round before they won 4.

Washington didn't do it by trading Ovechkin and Backstrom

Pittsburgh Didn't do it by trading Crosby and Malkin.

Teams don't trade their franchise players unless It's an Eichel situation where they are forced to.

It was reported that those 3 teams and STL were the only teams that were able to re-sign him and not just take him on this year at 3M cap. Which teams can realistically fit Marner at 11M?

Who knows, hopefully we never find out because trading Marner would be stupid you aren't winning that trade.
 
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Washington didn't do it by trading Ovechkin and Backstrom

Pittsburgh Didn't do it by trading Crosby and Malkin.

Teams don't trade their franchise players unless It's an Eichel situation where they are forced to.
Again, all the cores you mentioned had actually won rounds prior to winning a cup. The Leafs are 0/6. It’s a false equivalency.
 
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Nylander is my favourite player and has been on a tear this year but even with that he is not on Marner's level. Marner has had such a good second half of the season. Hard to argue against it.
 
How bout Marner at 11.5 and Nylander at 8.8 and nobody gets traded.
or marners dad accepts 10 on a long term and nylander 9 . Wouldn't that be nice? As others have pointed out, playing here is a privilege and getting that much money to do something you love in the best place on earth should be fine. Same as matthews. No reason he can't sign for 12 million for eight years and be good with that. All three are gonna make at least fifty million each from endorsements during their time in toronto. At some point you have to do what's right and fair for everyone else including the team and the fans... Do that and win a cup , one cup and your kids kids won't ever need to buy a meal in the city ever again...
 
Every person here cares about the team over the name on the sweater. The difference is, most people can recognize the massive value our top tier players provide to the team, and don't want to foolishly throw it away for what ifs because we're cranky about past playoff outcomes. Our cap is balanced right now. We're a top tier team right now. And if we keep our best players, and don't completely destroy the current state of competent management, we're looking at another ~decade of being a top tier team with this core.

The chance of getting full value on "a hockey trade" for a Matthews/Marner caliber player and improving as a result of it is slim to none (which is why absolutely zero suggestions that would make us better have been provided), and pretty much only obtainable by fluking into somebody we acquire exploding into something unexpected post-trade. Voluntarily putting the future of the Leafs on that would be stupid.
glad to see that anyone who does not 100% agree with you is stupid .. when did i say anything about being cranky?
do you have a quota of how many times a day you have to call another's opinion stupid or foolish?
 
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glad to see that anyone who does not 100% agree with you is stupid .. when did i say anything about being cranky?
do you have a quota of how many times a day you have to call another's opinion stupid or foolish?
I didn't say you were stupid or foolish. I said voluntarily trading away Matthews or Marner and putting the future of the Leafs on fluking into something would be stupid/foolish, which is a pretty undeniably true statement that I even further expanded on and proved for you. We're one of the best teams in the world, Matthews and Marner are two of the best players in the world, and they are essentially guarantees to provide surplus value on whatever contract they sign for the foreseeable future. You're not getting current value back in a trade that makes up for that, because no other team would dream of trading that caliber of player, which means putting the future of the franchise on lucking out on futures. That is objectively a bad idea.
 
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Trade anyone who doesn’t take a contact that lines up with their comparables. For Nylander that’s between Fiala and Forsberg, for Marner that’s between Gaudreau and Pastrnak. If they want to gouge the Leafs again you take your assets and build a team around players who are focused on winning>$.
Where do you get those comparables?
 
If there is another first round exit, which would you prefer.....
Great question and an even tougher answer .. for regular season i prefer mitchy .. for playoffs i prefer Willy .. i think da bigger question is which 2/3 of 4 forwards do you keep? Ultimately it could be Mitchy and Matty of top 4 which stay depending on what each wants. JT will move to LW on league min package when his contract runs up (assuming he is still in league) so that will take care of itself unless JT wins a Cup then he will retire
 
Great question and an even tougher answer .. for regular season i prefer mitchy .. for playoffs i prefer Willy .. i think da bigger question is which 2/3 of 4 forwards do you keep? Ultimately it could be Mitchy and Matty of top 4 which stay depending on what each wants. JT will move to LW on league min package when his contract runs up (assuming he is still in league) so that will take care of itself unless JT wins a Cup then he will retire
Are you saying league min after this current contract? He surely wouldnt have to go that low
 
Just look at rosters for next season though and look at teams that can fit him and are trying to win and could also give Toronto what they would want. I can’t think of many - as I said earlier: maybe Buffalo or Nashville. Maybe Carolina.

Edit: Carolina could be a good fit. I could see them giving up Jarvis+Morrow for Marner. You’d just want some assurance that Morrow is going to sign.
Jarvis and Morrow for Marner. Jesus Christ.
 
Just look at rosters for next season though and look at teams that can fit him and are trying to win and could also give Toronto what they would want. I can’t think of many - as I said earlier: maybe Buffalo or Nashville. Maybe Carolina.

Edit: Carolina could be a good fit. I could see them giving up Jarvis+Morrow for Marner. You’d just want some assurance that Morrow is going to sign.
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What kind of question is that?

Why would the Maple Leafs rebuild and retool if they just won the Stanley Cup with this group?
Years of PTSD has created a pseudo death cult among a faction of this fan base.

If they do crap out in the first round for the 7th year in a row there will have to be major changes. One of Matthews or Marner will have to go.
7 years of failures with this core make up will be enough for any management/ownership to swallow
So strange to already assign blame for a playoff that has yet to occur.
 
Marner. Nylander is having a great season, but Marner I still think is the better player. I almost always want the better pure player on my team.
 
Are you saying league min after this current contract? He surely wouldnt have to go that low
yes .. he will help team on cap .. he has made even bigger amounts from TO real estate then from his earnings .. and he wants to stay where he is in High Park with a young family
 
Basically a 1 million dollar raise for Mitch or a 2.5 million dollar raise for Nylander. Based on that probably easier to fit Mitch in to be honest. He also provides PK and consistency (which is a huge problem with this team, particularly Nylander)

I agree. I see him as least likely of the big 3 to go just because he seems most likely to want to RE-sign.
I think there is a pretty good chance he is the future captain of the team tbh
 

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