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  • Marner @ $12 million per + assets of trading Nylander

    Votes: 112 79.4%

  • Nylander @ $9.5 million per + assets of trading Marner

    Votes: 29 20.6%
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JT AM da real deal said:
I would never have expected it but he has told his friends he is gonna retire if he wins a Cup after this contract ends .. he just does not need to keep killing himself every summer to keep up
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Maybe JT can retire this summer, allowing us to resign ROR and whatever UFAs they want to sign or players they trade for and then make a comeback in February.
 
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hullsy47 said:
unforunatley for dubas ...goaltending will decide who wins anything this yeaer
murray is lousy .reilly was the cause of the 4th carolina goal ,
these are the mistakes that will cost the leafs bigtime and likley jobs
my wish list if the leafs lose .shanahan cleans house and somehow get marc savard from the windsor spitfires into our organization
the man knows how to coach a high octane offense
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Shanahan will likely be pounding pavement looking for a new job too if they go out in the first round again.

This summer, our favourite team faces a very real possibility of losing their coach, GM, and POH. All fired due to gross mismanagement. Next year may witness the exodus of Matthews and/or Nylander.

Shanahan fired Lou and Babcock.

Then sat on his hands. Watched the entire time while Kyle Dubas stagnated the team. The simple fact of the matter is this: at the end of the season Brendan Shanahan and Kyle Dubas will be judged by their accomplishments.

Which to date has been nothing.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Shanahan will likely be pounding pavement looking for a new job too if they go out in the first round again.

This summer, our favourite team faces a very real possibility of losing their coach, GM, and POH. All fired due to gross mismanagement. Next year may witness the exodus of Matthews and/or Nylander.

Shanahan fired Lou and Babcock.

Then sat on his hands. Watched the entire time while Kyle Dubas stagnated the team. The simple fact of the matter is this: at the end of the season Brendan Shanahan and Kyle Dubas will be judged by their accomplishments.

Which to date has been nothing.
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Very good post .I think the biggest mistake that dubss made
Goaltending ,had a conversation after the Nashville game
Woll looks like a goaltender that isn't over adjusting all the time
The only goalie with experience is Murray who quite frankly doesn't belong on a cup contender
Shabahan had to know what Stanley cup goaltending means to any cup contender
 
hullsy47 said:
unforunatley for dubas ...goaltending will decide who wins anything this yeaer
murray is lousy .reilly was the cause of the 4th carolina goal ,
these are the mistakes that will cost the leafs bigtime and likley jobs
my wish list if the leafs lose .shanahan cleans house and somehow get marc savard from the windsor spitfires into our organization
the man knows how to coach a high octane offense
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I don't want another rookie coach if Keefe goes bring in somebody with REAL credibility
 
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ToneDog said:
Not sure what Quenville's role was in the Beech saga, but if he is not blackballed by the league, he is the man to take over.
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I'm also not sure what his role was, if he had nothing to do with I'd be interested
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ToneDog said:
Not sure what Quenville's role was in the Beech saga, but if he is not blackballed by the league, he is the man to take over.
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Didn’t he ignore a meeting about it because he wanted to concentrate on the playoffs?
Something like that.
 
Larcos_Unal said:
Marner is arguably our most valuable forward.
  1. Key on the PP, key on PK
  2. Fixer for any C who is struggling
  3. 1st team RW consecutive years
  4. Has come a long way with his shot, to the point where 30 goals are his baseline
  5. No question on effort & PASSION
Willie is insanely talented but he's 26 and is still, by his own admission, struggling to find his game at times. If they lose in the 1st round the core needs a change, we've already gutted the bottom 6 and the results are the same.

Willie is the guy that will get you a massive package of futures along with cap space to address D and bottom 6 holes.
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Willy won't free up as much cap space, but should get you a better return.
 
Americanadian said:
You basically do what Florida did and you take a step back for one season. Once the cap open up from Myers/Brodie/Murray/Roy/Tavares (roughly 21M assuming you re-sign Brodie/Tavares for 9M total) you go into 2024-25 with Byfield having another year of development, Clarke a full time NHLer, and potentially the 8th OA pick cracking the team AND you have enough cap space to make an impact add whether that be in UFA, or trade. Even next season that lineup with both trades is still projected as a playoff team. I have the 23-24 lineup below projected at 108 points with Murray and 104 points with Woll as the backup (too low of a sample to make a projection). This assumes Myers is sent to the AHL or 8th D.

2023-24

Bunting-Tavares-Marner
Iafallo-Byfield-Garland
Knies-ROR-Jarnkrok
Holmberg-Acciari-Lafferty

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Roy
Gio-Lily
Timmins

Samsonov
Murray

24-25

Bunting-Byfield-Marner
Knies-Tavares-Garland
8th OA-ROR-Jarnkrok
Holmberg-Acciari-Iafallo

Rielly-Liljegren
McCabe-Clarke
Brodie-Timmins

Samsonov
Woll

At the end of the day if the Leafs sign all of Nylander/Matthews/Marner to bloated contracts they are going to be taking up a huge chunk of salary going into their 30s instead of their mid 20s like their current contracts. Having them take up north of 40% of the cap as they decline probably isn't a winning formula, nor has the current formula had success.
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Tavares is barely making it as a 2C now, and should be either 3C or 2LW.

Having him as our 1C next year and the following is a recipe for missing the playoffs.
 
Burkeocet said:
No team has gone to the finals with a skater making over 9.5 million. That could change this season but having Marner at 11+ and Matthews at likely 14+ will cripple this team and they’ll be in the same mess they’re in now.

I’ll take Nylander around 9 and shop Marner for a more cost effective player who can play in the playoffs. Marner is a very good player in the regular season but disappears when they need him most. That’s not a big deal if there’s no cap but there is.
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just stop
 
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Jamason said:
Tavares is barely making it as a 2C now, and should be either 3C or 2LW.

Having him as our 1C next year and the following is a recipe for missing the playoffs.
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While I agree that Tavares is slowing down I'm curious what "barely making it as a 2C" means. He is 11th among centers in points. If it was a 5 team league he'd be a 3C. In a 32 team league he is a 1C.
 
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Americanadian said:
While I agree that Tavares is slowing down I'm curious what "barely making it as a 2C" means. He is 11th among centers in points. If it was a 5 team league he'd be a 3C. In a 32 team league he is a 1C.
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Yeah whatever he is going to turn into next year or after.. we need him to continue what he is doing and he needs to be an effective center for this playoff run

Non of this wing shit.. give him speedy wingers if need be but we need to run our big 3 Cs as Cs in my opinion

Coaching needs to work with this and put JT in positions to succeed and compensate for his pace. Coaching coaching coaching
 
Americanadian said:
While I agree that Tavares is slowing down I'm curious what "barely making it as a 2C" means. He is 11th among centers in points. If it was a 5 team league he'd be a 3C. In a 32 team league he is a 1C.
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He is good on the PP with Matthews, Marner, and Nylander doing all the work and him just banging in rebounds and setups. On the PP he is 4th in the league among centres, behind just the three from Edmonton.

At ES he is barely top 40 among centres, while playing with one or the other of Mitch and Willy, who are tied for 4th in the league in ES points.
 
Jamason said:
He is good on the PP with Matthews, Marner, and Nylander doing all the work and him just banging in rebounds and setups. On the PP he is 4th in the league among centres, behind just the three from Edmonton.

At ES he is barely top 40 among centres, while playing with one or the other of Mitch and Willy, who are tied for 4th in the league in ES points.
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He is top 32 among centers in ESP when you consider there are a lot of wingers listed as centers on nhl.com.
 
2 things:

Dubas couldn’t predict Covid and the flat cap. Tying up a lot of cap on 4 forwards was tight but became brutal due to this. Enough of the trashing dubas for that nonsense….stop forgetting flat cap. Sure paying the kids before they had leverage and other arguments have weight but the rest are just trolling.

Also the playoff format is like the conference championship in first round. This ‘win a round first’ nonsense drives me crazy. We are close oh so close. In a division with some crazy tough teams. But don’t kid yourself….winning a round would be a hell of a lot easier in a different format….and we’ve been damn close with this one. I still want to see playoff success too but our team is still awesome. This is the year hopefully to at least put that ridiculous phrase to bed.
 
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We spent a long time looking for a 1C. We have one now who is growing even further into a solid defensive monster. Trading him would be crazy u less we had an equivalent coming back and I don’t see that happening.

Marner is an all situations beast. Pp Pk 5v5 Assists Goals energy on the bench/in locker room.

Why consider trading guys like that if our goal is to be better? Obviously if the demand a trade or make it known they don’t want to re-sign this changes but we are not there.
 
Jamason said:
He is good on the PP with Matthews, Marner, and Nylander doing all the work and him just banging in rebounds and setups. On the PP he is 4th in the league among centres, behind just the three from Edmonton. At ES he is barely top 40 among centres
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Besides you inaccurately minimizing Tavares' PP impact, he's 19th in 5v5 points among centers this year, for the record.
 
Jamason said:
Saying he's good is "inaccurately minimizing"? Ok, thanks for your input.
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you said he does nothing except for stand there and tap the puck in while everyone else does all the work, which couldn't be further from the truth. A lot of the time he wins board battles to help keep the puck in our zone on the PP, wins the inital draw, causes a lot of issues net front for our guys. Honestly if we went back to his first year with the leafs and utilizing the bumper play more, Tavares would be a 40 goal scorer. But our PP has now been designed to allow for Matthews/Nylander to be the primary shooters.
 
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