HOH Top 60 Goaltenders of All Time (2024 Edition) - Round 2, Vote 1

overpass · 2024-10-11T15:08:51-0400

Michael Farkas said:
One thing that's mildly interesting to me is that Hasek has few garbage time goals and it had little impact on his GAA. He also fares the worst with 3rd period tie/lead management (this also shows up in Canada Cup '87 where he surrendered a 3rd period tie, he gives at least one of these up in the '88 Olympics, he loses a tie game with seconds left in the '91 Canada Cup to Finland, his only loss in the '98 Olympics was with a 1-0 3rd period, he gave up two goals in ten seconds in the 3rd to lose to Russia).

I started compiling data on 3rd period performance, tied, and with a 1 goal lead. I've finished Hasek but I don't think I'll get anyone else done. But since we're talking about this I may as well drop the data here.

Date Tm Opp DEC GA SA SV TOI 3rd Tied TOI 3rd Tied GA 3rd Up by 1 TOI 3rd Up by 1 GA
1994-04-17 BUF @ NJD W 0 30 30 60:00:00
19.9
0
1994-04-19 BUF @ NJD L 2 32 30 59:29:00
13.0
0
1994-04-21 BUF NJD L 2 26 24 59:38:00
1994-04-23 BUF NJD W 3 23 20 60:00:00
0.5
0
10.1
0
1994-04-25 BUF @ NJD L 4 34 30 59:09:00
4.5
1
1994-04-27 BUF NJD W 0 70 70 125:43:00
20.0
0
1994-04-29 BUF @ NJD L 2 46 44 59:35:00
1995-05-07 BUF @ PHI L 4 31 27 70:06:00
7.5
0
1995-05-08 BUF @ PHI L 3 24 21 60:00:00
1995-05-10 BUF PHI W 1 19 18 60:00:00
19.0
0
1995-05-12 BUF PHI L 4 27 23 59:08:00
1995-05-14 BUF @ PHI L 6 30 24 60:00:00
1997-04-17 BUF OTT W 1 23 22 59:57:00
1.2
0
13.0
1
1997-04-19 BUF OTT L 3 29 26 57:54:00
1997-04-21 BUF @ OTT 1 16 15 35:33:00
1998-04-22 BUF @ PHI W 2 24 22 60:00:00
2.9
0
8.6
1
1998-04-24 BUF @ PHI L 3 38 35 59:56:00
7.1
1
1998-04-27 BUF PHI W 1 32 31 59:52:00
1998-04-29 BUF PHI W 1 45 44 59:57:00
1998-05-01 BUF @ PHI W 2 37 35 65:40:00
15.3
0
4.7
1
1998-05-08 BUF MTL W 2 48 46 62:35:00
5.6
0
0.2
1
1998-05-10 BUF MTL W 3 26 23 60:00:00
0.2
0
1998-05-12 BUF @ MTL W 4 46 42 81:18:00
20.0
0
1998-05-14 BUF @ MTL W 1 38 37 59:55:00
1998-05-23 BUF @ WSH W 0 19 19 60:00:00
1998-05-25 BUF @ WSH L 3 39 36 63:01:00
15.1
1
1998-05-28 BUF WSH L 4 30 26 69:37:00
20.0
0
1998-05-30 BUF WSH L 2 19 17 59:45:00
2.6
1
1998-06-02 BUF @ WSH W 1 35 34 60:00:00
15.6
0
4.4
0
1998-06-04 BUF WSH L 3 38 35 66:19:00
13.7
0
6.4
1
1999-04-21 BUF @ OTT W 1 41 40 60:00:00
20.0
0
1999-04-23 BUF @ OTT W 2 47 45 90:34:00
13.3
0
1999-04-25 BUF OTT W 0 31 31 59:55:00
1999-04-27 BUF OTT W 3 43 40 60:00:00
12.3
0
1999-05-06 BUF @ BOS L 3 21 18 59:26:00
1999-05-09 BUF @ BOS W 1 29 28 60:00:00
5.3
0
1999-05-12 BUF BOS W 2 21 19 60:00:00
2.9
0
10.4
0
1999-05-14 BUF BOS W 0 24 24 60:00:00
1999-05-16 BUF @ BOS L 4 26 22 39:58:00
1999-05-18 BUF BOS W 2 25 23 60:00:00
1.1
0
1999-05-27 BUF TOR W 2 26 24 59:44:00
19.5
0
1999-05-29 BUF TOR W 2 33 31 60:00:00
1999-05-31 BUF @ TOR W 2 22 20 59:53:00
11.6
0
7.4
0
1999-06-08 BUF @ DAL W 2 37 35 75:24:00
5.9
0
5.6
1
1999-06-10 BUF @ DAL L 3 30 27 59:26:00
16.0
2
1999-06-12 BUF DAL L 2 29 27 58:54:00
9.6
1
1999-06-15 BUF DAL W 1 31 30 59:58:00
20.0
0
1999-06-17 BUF @ DAL L 2 21 19 59:07:00
1999-06-19 BUF DAL L 2 50 48 114:49:00
20.0
0
2000-04-13 BUF @ PHI L 3 30 27 59:12:00
5.6
1
2000-04-14 BUF @ PHI L 2 27 25 59:34:00
4.8
1
2000-04-16 BUF PHI L 1 26 25 59:37:00
20.0
2000-04-18 BUF PHI W 2 28 26 64:31:00
2000-04-20 BUF @ PHI L 4 36 32 58:19:00
2001-04-11 BUF @ PHI W 1 32 31 60:00:00
20.0
0
2001-04-14 BUF @ PHI W 3 35 32 78:01:00
16.9
0
2001-04-16 BUF PHI L 3 19 16 59:06:00
11.1
1
2001-04-17 BUF PHI W 3 33 30 66:13:00
10.3
1
2001-04-19 BUF @ PHI L 3 33 30 58:02:00
9.7
0
2001-04-21 BUF PHI W 0 24 24 59:51:00
2001-04-26 BUF PIT L 3 32 29 60:00:00
2001-04-28 BUF PIT L 2 14 12 58:43:00
8.2
1
2001-04-30 BUF @ PIT W 1 20 19 60:00:00
9.9
0
2001-05-02 BUF @ PIT W 2 17 15 60:00:00
4.7
0
3.2
0
2001-05-05 BUF PIT W 2 27 25 68:34:00
8.7
0
2001-05-08 BUF @ PIT L 3 33 30 71:29:00
1.3
0
18.7
1
2001-05-10 BUF PIT L 3 28 25 73:00:00
11.5
0
8.5
1
2002-04-17 DET VAN L 4 26 22 73:59:00
11.1
0
8.9
1
2002-04-19 DET VAN L 4 19 15 59:32:00
2002-04-21 DET @ VAN W 1 23 22 59:54:00
3.3
0
2002-04-23 DET @ VAN W 2 24 22 60:00:00
0.9
0
18.2
0
2002-04-25 DET VAN W 0 25 25 60:00:00
2002-04-27 DET @ VAN W 4 29 25 59:56:00
2002-05-02 DET STL W 0 23 23 59:34:00
2002-05-04 DET STL W 2 37 35 58:51:00
0.7
0
2002-05-07 DET @ STL L 5 16 11 49:26:00
2002-05-09 DET @ STL W 3 36 33 59:50:00
1.5
0
2002-05-11 DET STL W 0 16 16 60:00:00
2002-05-18 DET COL W 3 27 24 60:00:00
1.3
0
11.4
0
2002-05-20 DET COL L 4 26 22 62:17:00
12.0
1
2002-05-22 DET @ COL W 1 21 20 72:41:00
14.7
0
2002-05-25 DET @ COL L 3 22 19 57:00:00
0.8
1
2002-05-27 DET COL L 2 29 27 66:24:00
19.1
0
2002-05-29 DET @ COL W 0 24 24 60:00:00
2002-05-31 DET COL W 0 19 19 60:00:00
2002-06-04 DET CAR L 3 26 23 60:58:00
20.0
0
2002-06-06 DET CAR W 1 17 16 60:00:00
14.9
0
0.2
0
2002-06-08 DET @ CAR W 2 43 41 114:22:00
8.8
1
2002-06-10 DET @ CAR W 0 17 17 59:58:00
3.7
0
2002-06-13 DET CAR W 1 17 16 60:00:00
19.3
0
2007-04-12 DET CGY W 1 20 19 59:37:00
2007-04-15 DET CGY W 1 15 14 60:00:00
6.1
0
2007-04-17 DET @ CGY L 3 28 25 59:02:00
4.1
1
5.2
1
2007-04-19 DET @ CGY L 3 21 18 59:23:00
2007-04-21 DET CGY W 1 24 23 59:50:00
2007-04-22 DET @ CGY W 1 21 20 84:20:00
20.0
0
2007-04-26 DET SJS L 2 19 17 58:32:00
2007-04-28 DET SJS W 2 19 17 59:56:00
17.2
0
1.4
0
2007-04-30 DET @ SJS L 2 27 25 59:45:00
13.3
1
2007-05-02 DET @ SJS W 2 27 25 75:40:00
0.6
0
2007-05-05 DET SJS W 1 24 23 59:48:00
3.8
0
2007-05-07 DET @ SJS W 0 28 28 60:00:00
2007-05-11 DET ANA W 1 32 31 60:00:00
13.5
0
6.5
1
2007-05-13 DET ANA L 4 33 29 74:17:00
15.6
0
4.4
1
2007-05-15 DET @ ANA W 0 29 29 60:00:00
2007-05-17 DET @ ANA L 4 22 18 59:01:00
5.4
1
2007-05-20 DET ANA L 2 26 24 71:48:00
0.8
0
19.2
1
2007-05-22 DET @ ANA L 4 29 25 58:05:00

Data is excluding 1991-1993 and 2008, just the seasons for which he was the starter. Hasek's overall playoff GAA in these seasons was 1.96.

Hasek tied in the third period: 534 TOI, 17 GA, 1.91 GAA
Hasek with a third period one goal lead: 378 TOI, 14 GA, 2.22 GAA

Yes, Hasek's goals against were a little higher with a one goal lead. The difference between 2.22 GAA and 1.96 GAA over 378 minutes is about 1.5 extra goals against.

Hasek's team was 25-28 in playoff games that were tied at some point in the third, and 33-7 in playoff games in which they led by one goal at some point in the third.

Games where he allowed the opponent to tied the game in the third are below. His team was 7-7 in those games. Which I guess is about what we would expect from games that were tied late.

Date	Tm		Opp	DEC
1997-04-17	BUF		OTT	W
1998-04-22	BUF	@	PHI	W
1998-05-01	BUF	@	PHI	W
1998-05-08	BUF		MTL	W
1998-06-04	BUF		WSH	L
1999-06-08	BUF	@	DAL	W
2001-04-17	BUF		PHI	W
2001-05-08	BUF	@	PIT	L
2001-05-10	BUF		PIT	L
2002-04-17	DET		VAN	L
2007-04-17	DET	@	CGY	L
2007-05-11	DET		ANA	W
2007-05-13	DET		ANA	L
2007-05-20	DET		ANA	L

Overall? I'd like to have numbers from other goalies to compare, but Hasek's performance in these close 3rd period playoff situations basically matched his overall playoff numbers. Even the slight underperformance in holding 3rd period leads is basically all caused by the 2007 Anaheim series, when he was 42 years old.

BM67 · 2024-10-11T16:32:22-0400

seventieslord said:
Yes, Roy had an advantage there. From 1985-86 through 1994-95, Montreal had PP opportunities against at a rate of just 86% of the league average. Roy took that advantage and rode it to four sv% titles and a 2nd place finish.

The Devils from 1993-94 through 2013-14 had PP opportunities against at a rate of just 82% of the league average (a greater advantage over double the period of time - statistically, this is a staggering difference), and with that advantage placed 3rd, 3rd, 4th and 5th in the NHL in save percentage.

So you think beating Peeters, Casey, Liut and Essensa for SV% titles is better than being 0.003 behind Hasek in a Hart season, and being behind two guys playing for Trotz and Lemaire coached teams, that played fewer minutes than Brodeur did on the road?

seventieslord · 2024-10-11T16:41:32-0400

BM67 said:
So you think beating Peeters, Casey, Liut and Essensa for SV% titles is better than being 0.003 behind Hasek in a Hart season, and being behind two guys playing for Trotz and Lemaire coached teams, that played fewer minutes than Brodeur did on the road?

I think beating the entire NHL four times by margins as much as 7 and 8 points over anyone else is more impressive than that, yes. Are you saying it isn't?

MadArcand · 2024-10-11T18:23:05-0400

MXD said:
How the actual f*** are guys like Ryan Walter playing 5 games out of 20, René Corbet and Pre-Prime Patrice Brisebois (!!!!!!!!!) raised as defensive difference makers?

1. Walter played 21 games in '89 playoffs, you're confusing the years.
2. How is Brisebois being listed as part of the top-4 making him a difference maker? I literally just listed the top-4s they played behind in each run for comparison's sake. And '93 defense is meh at best, and I have stated as much.

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Date	Tm		Opp	DEC	GA	SA	SV	TOI	3rd Tied TOI	3rd Tied GA	3rd Up by 1 TOI	3rd Up by 1 GA
1994-04-17	BUF	@	NJD	W	0	30	30	60:00:00			19.9	0
1994-04-19	BUF	@	NJD	L	2	32	30	59:29:00	13.0	0
1994-04-21	BUF		NJD	L	2	26	24	59:38:00
1994-04-23	BUF		NJD	W	3	23	20	60:00:00	0.5	0	10.1	0
1994-04-25	BUF	@	NJD	L	4	34	30	59:09:00	4.5	1
1994-04-27	BUF		NJD	W	0	70	70	125:43:00	20.0	0
1994-04-29	BUF	@	NJD	L	2	46	44	59:35:00
1995-05-07	BUF	@	PHI	L	4	31	27	70:06:00	7.5	0
1995-05-08	BUF	@	PHI	L	3	24	21	60:00:00
1995-05-10	BUF		PHI	W	1	19	18	60:00:00			19.0	0
1995-05-12	BUF		PHI	L	4	27	23	59:08:00
1995-05-14	BUF	@	PHI	L	6	30	24	60:00:00
1997-04-17	BUF		OTT	W	1	23	22	59:57:00	1.2	0	13.0	1
1997-04-19	BUF		OTT	L	3	29	26	57:54:00
1997-04-21	BUF	@	OTT		1	16	15	35:33:00
1998-04-22	BUF	@	PHI	W	2	24	22	60:00:00	2.9	0	8.6	1
1998-04-24	BUF	@	PHI	L	3	38	35	59:56:00	7.1	1
1998-04-27	BUF		PHI	W	1	32	31	59:52:00
1998-04-29	BUF		PHI	W	1	45	44	59:57:00
1998-05-01	BUF	@	PHI	W	2	37	35	65:40:00	15.3	0	4.7	1
1998-05-08	BUF		MTL	W	2	48	46	62:35:00	5.6	0	0.2	1
1998-05-10	BUF		MTL	W	3	26	23	60:00:00			0.2	0
1998-05-12	BUF	@	MTL	W	4	46	42	81:18:00	20.0	0
1998-05-14	BUF	@	MTL	W	1	38	37	59:55:00
1998-05-23	BUF	@	WSH	W	0	19	19	60:00:00
1998-05-25	BUF	@	WSH	L	3	39	36	63:01:00	15.1	1
1998-05-28	BUF		WSH	L	4	30	26	69:37:00	20.0	0
1998-05-30	BUF		WSH	L	2	19	17	59:45:00	2.6	1
1998-06-02	BUF	@	WSH	W	1	35	34	60:00:00	15.6	0	4.4	0
1998-06-04	BUF		WSH	L	3	38	35	66:19:00	13.7	0	6.4	1
1999-04-21	BUF	@	OTT	W	1	41	40	60:00:00			20.0	0
1999-04-23	BUF	@	OTT	W	2	47	45	90:34:00	13.3	0
1999-04-25	BUF		OTT	W	0	31	31	59:55:00
1999-04-27	BUF		OTT	W	3	43	40	60:00:00			12.3	0
1999-05-06	BUF	@	BOS	L	3	21	18	59:26:00
1999-05-09	BUF	@	BOS	W	1	29	28	60:00:00			5.3	0
1999-05-12	BUF		BOS	W	2	21	19	60:00:00	2.9	0	10.4	0
1999-05-14	BUF		BOS	W	0	24	24	60:00:00
1999-05-16	BUF	@	BOS	L	4	26	22	39:58:00
1999-05-18	BUF		BOS	W	2	25	23	60:00:00	1.1	0
1999-05-27	BUF		TOR	W	2	26	24	59:44:00			19.5	0
1999-05-29	BUF		TOR	W	2	33	31	60:00:00
1999-05-31	BUF	@	TOR	W	2	22	20	59:53:00	11.6	0	7.4	0
1999-06-08	BUF	@	DAL	W	2	37	35	75:24:00	5.9	0	5.6	1
1999-06-10	BUF	@	DAL	L	3	30	27	59:26:00	16.0	2
1999-06-12	BUF		DAL	L	2	29	27	58:54:00	9.6	1
1999-06-15	BUF		DAL	W	1	31	30	59:58:00			20.0	0
1999-06-17	BUF	@	DAL	L	2	21	19	59:07:00
1999-06-19	BUF		DAL	L	2	50	48	114:49:00	20.0	0
2000-04-13	BUF	@	PHI	L	3	30	27	59:12:00	5.6	1
2000-04-14	BUF	@	PHI	L	2	27	25	59:34:00	4.8	1
2000-04-16	BUF		PHI	L	1	26	25	59:37:00	20.0
2000-04-18	BUF		PHI	W	2	28	26	64:31:00
2000-04-20	BUF	@	PHI	L	4	36	32	58:19:00
2001-04-11	BUF	@	PHI	W	1	32	31	60:00:00			20.0	0
2001-04-14	BUF	@	PHI	W	3	35	32	78:01:00			16.9	0
2001-04-16	BUF		PHI	L	3	19	16	59:06:00	11.1	1
2001-04-17	BUF		PHI	W	3	33	30	66:13:00			10.3	1
2001-04-19	BUF	@	PHI	L	3	33	30	58:02:00	9.7	0
2001-04-21	BUF		PHI	W	0	24	24	59:51:00
2001-04-26	BUF		PIT	L	3	32	29	60:00:00
2001-04-28	BUF		PIT	L	2	14	12	58:43:00	8.2	1
2001-04-30	BUF	@	PIT	W	1	20	19	60:00:00	9.9	0
2001-05-02	BUF	@	PIT	W	2	17	15	60:00:00	4.7	0	3.2	0
2001-05-05	BUF		PIT	W	2	27	25	68:34:00	8.7	0
2001-05-08	BUF	@	PIT	L	3	33	30	71:29:00	1.3	0	18.7	1
2001-05-10	BUF		PIT	L	3	28	25	73:00:00	11.5	0	8.5	1
2002-04-17	DET		VAN	L	4	26	22	73:59:00	11.1	0	8.9	1
2002-04-19	DET		VAN	L	4	19	15	59:32:00
2002-04-21	DET	@	VAN	W	1	23	22	59:54:00			3.3	0
2002-04-23	DET	@	VAN	W	2	24	22	60:00:00	0.9	0	18.2	0
2002-04-25	DET		VAN	W	0	25	25	60:00:00
2002-04-27	DET	@	VAN	W	4	29	25	59:56:00
2002-05-02	DET		STL	W	0	23	23	59:34:00
2002-05-04	DET		STL	W	2	37	35	58:51:00			0.7	0
2002-05-07	DET	@	STL	L	5	16	11	49:26:00
2002-05-09	DET	@	STL	W	3	36	33	59:50:00			1.5	0
2002-05-11	DET		STL	W	0	16	16	60:00:00
2002-05-18	DET		COL	W	3	27	24	60:00:00	1.3	0	11.4	0
2002-05-20	DET		COL	L	4	26	22	62:17:00	12.0	1
2002-05-22	DET	@	COL	W	1	21	20	72:41:00	14.7	0
2002-05-25	DET	@	COL	L	3	22	19	57:00:00	0.8	1
2002-05-27	DET		COL	L	2	29	27	66:24:00	19.1	0
2002-05-29	DET	@	COL	W	0	24	24	60:00:00
2002-05-31	DET		COL	W	0	19	19	60:00:00
2002-06-04	DET		CAR	L	3	26	23	60:58:00	20.0	0
2002-06-06	DET		CAR	W	1	17	16	60:00:00	14.9	0	0.2	0
2002-06-08	DET	@	CAR	W	2	43	41	114:22:00	8.8	1
2002-06-10	DET	@	CAR	W	0	17	17	59:58:00			3.7	0
2002-06-13	DET		CAR	W	1	17	16	60:00:00			19.3	0
2007-04-12	DET		CGY	W	1	20	19	59:37:00
2007-04-15	DET		CGY	W	1	15	14	60:00:00			6.1	0
2007-04-17	DET	@	CGY	L	3	28	25	59:02:00	4.1	1	5.2	1
2007-04-19	DET	@	CGY	L	3	21	18	59:23:00
2007-04-21	DET		CGY	W	1	24	23	59:50:00
2007-04-22	DET	@	CGY	W	1	21	20	84:20:00	20.0	0
2007-04-26	DET		SJS	L	2	19	17	58:32:00
2007-04-28	DET		SJS	W	2	19	17	59:56:00	17.2	0	1.4	0
2007-04-30	DET	@	SJS	L	2	27	25	59:45:00	13.3	1
2007-05-02	DET	@	SJS	W	2	27	25	75:40:00	0.6	0
2007-05-05	DET		SJS	W	1	24	23	59:48:00			3.8	0
2007-05-07	DET	@	SJS	W	0	28	28	60:00:00
2007-05-11	DET		ANA	W	1	32	31	60:00:00	13.5	0	6.5	1
2007-05-13	DET		ANA	L	4	33	29	74:17:00	15.6	0	4.4	1
2007-05-15	DET	@	ANA	W	0	29	29	60:00:00
2007-05-17	DET	@	ANA	L	4	22	18	59:01:00	5.4	1
2007-05-20	DET		ANA	L	2	26	24	71:48:00	0.8	0	19.2	1
2007-05-22	DET	@	ANA	L	4	29	25	58:05:00