HOH Top 60 Goaltenders of All Time (2024 Edition) - Round 2, Vote 1

overpass

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One thing that's mildly interesting to me is that Hasek has few garbage time goals and it had little impact on his GAA. He also fares the worst with 3rd period tie/lead management (this also shows up in Canada Cup '87 where he surrendered a 3rd period tie, he gives at least one of these up in the '88 Olympics, he loses a tie game with seconds left in the '91 Canada Cup to Finland, his only loss in the '98 Olympics was with a 1-0 3rd period, he gave up two goals in ten seconds in the 3rd to lose to Russia).

I started compiling data on 3rd period performance, tied, and with a 1 goal lead. I've finished Hasek but I don't think I'll get anyone else done. But since we're talking about this I may as well drop the data here.

DateTmOppDECGASASVTOI3rd Tied TOI3rd Tied GA3rd Up by 1 TOI3rd Up by 1 GA
1994-04-17BUF@NJDW0303060:00:00
19.9​
0​
1994-04-19BUF@NJDL2323059:29:00
13.0​
0​
1994-04-21BUFNJDL2262459:38:00
1994-04-23BUFNJDW3232060:00:00
0.5​
0​
10.1​
0​
1994-04-25BUF@NJDL4343059:09:00
4.5​
1​
1994-04-27BUFNJDW07070125:43:00
20.0​
0​
1994-04-29BUF@NJDL2464459:35:00
1995-05-07BUF@PHIL4312770:06:00
7.5​
0​
1995-05-08BUF@PHIL3242160:00:00
1995-05-10BUFPHIW1191860:00:00
19.0​
0​
1995-05-12BUFPHIL4272359:08:00
1995-05-14BUF@PHIL6302460:00:00
1997-04-17BUFOTTW1232259:57:00
1.2​
0​
13.0​
1​
1997-04-19BUFOTTL3292657:54:00
1997-04-21BUF@OTT1161535:33:00
1998-04-22BUF@PHIW2242260:00:00
2.9​
0​
8.6​
1​
1998-04-24BUF@PHIL3383559:56:00
7.1​
1​
1998-04-27BUFPHIW1323159:52:00
1998-04-29BUFPHIW1454459:57:00
1998-05-01BUF@PHIW2373565:40:00
15.3​
0​
4.7​
1​
1998-05-08BUFMTLW2484662:35:00
5.6​
0​
0.2​
1​
1998-05-10BUFMTLW3262360:00:00
0.2​
0​
1998-05-12BUF@MTLW4464281:18:00
20.0​
0​
1998-05-14BUF@MTLW1383759:55:00
1998-05-23BUF@WSHW0191960:00:00
1998-05-25BUF@WSHL3393663:01:00
15.1​
1​
1998-05-28BUFWSHL4302669:37:00
20.0​
0​
1998-05-30BUFWSHL2191759:45:00
2.6​
1​
1998-06-02BUF@WSHW1353460:00:00
15.6​
0​
4.4​
0​
1998-06-04BUFWSHL3383566:19:00
13.7​
0​
6.4​
1​
1999-04-21BUF@OTTW1414060:00:00
20.0​
0​
1999-04-23BUF@OTTW2474590:34:00
13.3​
0​
1999-04-25BUFOTTW0313159:55:00
1999-04-27BUFOTTW3434060:00:00
12.3​
0​
1999-05-06BUF@BOSL3211859:26:00
1999-05-09BUF@BOSW1292860:00:00
5.3​
0​
1999-05-12BUFBOSW2211960:00:00
2.9​
0​
10.4​
0​
1999-05-14BUFBOSW0242460:00:00
1999-05-16BUF@BOSL4262239:58:00
1999-05-18BUFBOSW2252360:00:00
1.1​
0​
1999-05-27BUFTORW2262459:44:00
19.5​
0​
1999-05-29BUFTORW2333160:00:00
1999-05-31BUF@TORW2222059:53:00
11.6​
0​
7.4​
0​
1999-06-08BUF@DALW2373575:24:00
5.9​
0​
5.6​
1​
1999-06-10BUF@DALL3302759:26:00
16.0​
2​
1999-06-12BUFDALL2292758:54:00
9.6​
1​
1999-06-15BUFDALW1313059:58:00
20.0​
0​
1999-06-17BUF@DALL2211959:07:00
1999-06-19BUFDALL25048114:49:00
20.0​
0​
2000-04-13BUF@PHIL3302759:12:00
5.6​
1​
2000-04-14BUF@PHIL2272559:34:00
4.8​
1​
2000-04-16BUFPHIL1262559:37:00
20.0​
2000-04-18BUFPHIW2282664:31:00
2000-04-20BUF@PHIL4363258:19:00
2001-04-11BUF@PHIW1323160:00:00
20.0​
0​
2001-04-14BUF@PHIW3353278:01:00
16.9​
0​
2001-04-16BUFPHIL3191659:06:00
11.1​
1​
2001-04-17BUFPHIW3333066:13:00
10.3​
1​
2001-04-19BUF@PHIL3333058:02:00
9.7​
0​
2001-04-21BUFPHIW0242459:51:00
2001-04-26BUFPITL3322960:00:00
2001-04-28BUFPITL2141258:43:00
8.2​
1​
2001-04-30BUF@PITW1201960:00:00
9.9​
0​
2001-05-02BUF@PITW2171560:00:00
4.7​
0​
3.2​
0​
2001-05-05BUFPITW2272568:34:00
8.7​
0​
2001-05-08BUF@PITL3333071:29:00
1.3​
0​
18.7​
1​
2001-05-10BUFPITL3282573:00:00
11.5​
0​
8.5​
1​
2002-04-17DETVANL4262273:59:00
11.1​
0​
8.9​
1​
2002-04-19DETVANL4191559:32:00
2002-04-21DET@VANW1232259:54:00
3.3​
0​
2002-04-23DET@VANW2242260:00:00
0.9​
0​
18.2​
0​
2002-04-25DETVANW0252560:00:00
2002-04-27DET@VANW4292559:56:00
2002-05-02DETSTLW0232359:34:00
2002-05-04DETSTLW2373558:51:00
0.7​
0​
2002-05-07DET@STLL5161149:26:00
2002-05-09DET@STLW3363359:50:00
1.5​
0​
2002-05-11DETSTLW0161660:00:00
2002-05-18DETCOLW3272460:00:00
1.3​
0​
11.4​
0​
2002-05-20DETCOLL4262262:17:00
12.0​
1​
2002-05-22DET@COLW1212072:41:00
14.7​
0​
2002-05-25DET@COLL3221957:00:00
0.8​
1​
2002-05-27DETCOLL2292766:24:00
19.1​
0​
2002-05-29DET@COLW0242460:00:00
2002-05-31DETCOLW0191960:00:00
2002-06-04DETCARL3262360:58:00
20.0​
0​
2002-06-06DETCARW1171660:00:00
14.9​
0​
0.2​
0​
2002-06-08DET@CARW24341114:22:00
8.8​
1​
2002-06-10DET@CARW0171759:58:00
3.7​
0​
2002-06-13DETCARW1171660:00:00
19.3​
0​
2007-04-12DETCGYW1201959:37:00
2007-04-15DETCGYW1151460:00:00
6.1​
0​
2007-04-17DET@CGYL3282559:02:00
4.1​
1​
5.2​
1​
2007-04-19DET@CGYL3211859:23:00
2007-04-21DETCGYW1242359:50:00
2007-04-22DET@CGYW1212084:20:00
20.0​
0​
2007-04-26DETSJSL2191758:32:00
2007-04-28DETSJSW2191759:56:00
17.2​
0​
1.4​
0​
2007-04-30DET@SJSL2272559:45:00
13.3​
1​
2007-05-02DET@SJSW2272575:40:00
0.6​
0​
2007-05-05DETSJSW1242359:48:00
3.8​
0​
2007-05-07DET@SJSW0282860:00:00
2007-05-11DETANAW1323160:00:00
13.5​
0​
6.5​
1​
2007-05-13DETANAL4332974:17:00
15.6​
0​
4.4​
1​
2007-05-15DET@ANAW0292960:00:00
2007-05-17DET@ANAL4221859:01:00
5.4​
1​
2007-05-20DETANAL2262471:48:00
0.8​
0​
19.2​
1​
2007-05-22DET@ANAL4292558:05:00

Data is excluding 1991-1993 and 2008, just the seasons for which he was the starter. Hasek's overall playoff GAA in these seasons was 1.96.

Hasek tied in the third period: 534 TOI, 17 GA, 1.91 GAA
Hasek with a third period one goal lead: 378 TOI, 14 GA, 2.22 GAA

Yes, Hasek's goals against were a little higher with a one goal lead. The difference between 2.22 GAA and 1.96 GAA over 378 minutes is about 1.5 extra goals against.

Hasek's team was 25-28 in playoff games that were tied at some point in the third, and 33-7 in playoff games in which they led by one goal at some point in the third.

Games where he allowed the opponent to tied the game in the third are below. His team was 7-7 in those games. Which I guess is about what we would expect from games that were tied late.


Overall? I'd like to have numbers from other goalies to compare, but Hasek's performance in these close 3rd period playoff situations basically matched his overall playoff numbers. Even the slight underperformance in holding 3rd period leads is basically all caused by the 2007 Anaheim series, when he was 42 years old.
 
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Yes, Roy had an advantage there. From 1985-86 through 1994-95, Montreal had PP opportunities against at a rate of just 86% of the league average. Roy took that advantage and rode it to four sv% titles and a 2nd place finish.

The Devils from 1993-94 through 2013-14 had PP opportunities against at a rate of just 82% of the league average (a greater advantage over double the period of time - statistically, this is a staggering difference), and with that advantage placed 3rd, 3rd, 4th and 5th in the NHL in save percentage.
So you think beating Peeters, Casey, Liut and Essensa for SV% titles is better than being 0.003 behind Hasek in a Hart season, and being behind two guys playing for Trotz and Lemaire coached teams, that played fewer minutes than Brodeur did on the road?
 

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So you think beating Peeters, Casey, Liut and Essensa for SV% titles is better than being 0.003 behind Hasek in a Hart season, and being behind two guys playing for Trotz and Lemaire coached teams, that played fewer minutes than Brodeur did on the road?
I think beating the entire NHL four times by margins as much as 7 and 8 points over anyone else is more impressive than that, yes. Are you saying it isn't?
 

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How the actual f*** are guys like Ryan Walter playing 5 games out of 20, René Corbet and Pre-Prime Patrice Brisebois (!!!!!!!!!) raised as defensive difference makers?
1. Walter played 21 games in '89 playoffs, you're confusing the years.
2. How is Brisebois being listed as part of the top-4 making him a difference maker? I literally just listed the top-4s they played behind in each run for comparison's sake. And '93 defense is meh at best, and I have stated as much.
 

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Giving up goals when tied in the 3rd perriod is a TEAM STAT highly affected by the fact that before Detroit, Hasek didn't have the HHOF skaters to score clutch late goals. The Canada Cup? He was praised for simply keeping the games close!

No stat shows Hasek unreliable in 3rd periods, in clutch moments, in big game tied situations. Absurd.

He didn't have Beliveau, Richard, Harvey like Plante did; nor Howe, Kelly, Lindsay like Sawchuk did; nor renowned defensive coaching like Brodeur, nor Sakic, Forsberg like Roy.

Hasek played behind non-HHOFers for the vast majority of his career (Laffy for a bit in Buffalo; Jagr a bit internationally).

His situ is closer to that of Glenn Hall, who faced dynasty teams of loaded HHOFers as always the underdog, aptly first to ever get the Conn Smythe on a losing team. Hasek deserved it too, many thought in the Game 6 OT run ended against a HHOF-loaded Dallas team and bad refereeing.
 

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Giving up goals when tied in the 3rd perriod is a TEAM STAT highly affected by the fact that before Detroit, Hasek didn't have the HHOF skaters to score clutch late goals. The Canada Cup? He was praised for simply keeping the games close!
Ah yes, the old "it was everyone BUT Hasek" defense. I remember now. How silly of me.

A career worst 7 of these surrendered 3rd per. ties were with Detroit in 2002. 12 of 34 for his career were with Detroit in '02 and '07.

A career worst 4 of these surrendered 3rd per leads were with Detroit in 2007. 5 of 16 for his career were with Detroit in '02 and '07.

Surrounded by loser HOF players in Detroit or just barely scraping by with the only (well one of two, if Canada had NHLers) international threat to the Soviets in the 80's...no matter what, it's someone else. When it's Brodeur, it's everyone but him. Whether it's retirement age Scott Stevens, young Scott NIedermayer, or #1 d-men Paul Martin and Marek Zidlicky led by a team of 10x Selke winners Zach Parise and Ilya Kovalchuk...it's a TARP! And it has nothing to do with Brodeur.

Give up a 40 foot floater to Darius Kasparaitis to blow a series at home? The sun was in his eyes...also Woolley should have blocked it.

Just an endless stream of apologies...do the videos lie? Does my memory deceive me? I could have swore he gave up goals in his 50 year pro career. Maybe not haha

EDIT: Oh Christ, I didn't even read the post fully to realize that officials get blamed too. You can't make this up haha

Next time don't push a rebound out on a slow rolling puck to a player standing at the top of your crease and you won't lose lying on your face for no reason, slick...
 
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Plante and Sawchuk videos are great to see.

Sawchuk scrambling all the time. Howe trying to break up every pass that comes near him. Pronovost great at clearing the net front.

Plante is composed and very calculated. Always looks in control. Prevents rebounds really well.Harvey is constantly battling and just breaks up plays. Tom Johnson gets beat on the outside. Don Marshall jumping in front of these slapshots is crazy with 1960 equipment

Get a good glimpse at the different styles. Remind me of Hasek and Roy in a lot of ways.
 

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Hasek's 1st year in Detroit was his 20th year after his first full professional season in Czechoslovakia. How heavily are you seriously going to weigh that?

And for the record for you youngums: back in the late 90s, especially in the year Buffalo shocked the world with a cup run of nobody skaters, the NHL cracked down heavily on the then foot-in-the-crease rule, overturning several series-crucial goals, but in OT of Game 6 of the final, they suddenly made a noncall on a most blatant example of what they had been cracking down on?? It was talked about for months afterwards.

Hull's skate in the crease should have meant obviously a nongoal. Shocker: the team with 7 HHOFers cheered while the team with zero HHOF skaters but one HHOF goalie was denied a possible Game 7 opp.
 
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Perfect response. He gets credit for his long spanning career...he gets credit for the top 5 Vezina and third team all star deal...I have a feeling that if he didn't lose three straight games to the Ducks, he would have gotten credit for getting to and/or winning the Cup. BUT...since he didn't, it's "oh, fiddle-dee-dee...that was just some old man"...who would continue to play in the NHL and then play in the 2nd best league in the world for the next few after that...

Back in the 1999, Buffalo did shock everyone...except Vegas, of course...they were 12:1 to win the Cup that year. 6th best odds in the league. Third in the East behind NJ and Philly.

"Well, that's based on the year before when they lost to Washington of all franchises in the ECF..."

They were 15:1 that year going in. 4th in the East.

I'm not saying Hasek wasn't willing that team to where it was going most of the time...but we don't need to continue to try to trick people into thinking those Sabres teams were the dregs of the planet...

Re: Further bellyaching over the Cup winning goal. It was definitely not the "most blatant" example of it...it wasn't even a good example of it.

Again, a very preventable goal in a big spot too...you plant corn/you grow corn.
 

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