Speculation: Hoglander Mega Thread: Caps, Pens and CBJ interested
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Sergei Shirokov
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I don't think Dhaliwal would make it a point to throw Sillingers name out there if he didn't think/know the Canucks like him.
Hoglander seems to have alot of interest. Say what you want about him being a 'buy low asset' but 24 even strength goals last season is very good for a mostly bottom 6 forward. Plus he's got a real tenacity to his game when he's on. Still young, cost controlled, and with upside.
It'll be interesting to see what happens but given he's falling out of favour with Tocchet a trade feels inevitable, like Kuz last year.
Hoglander seems to have alot of interest. Say what you want about him being a 'buy low asset' but 24 even strength goals last season is very good for a mostly bottom 6 forward. Plus he's got a real tenacity to his game when he's on. Still young, cost controlled, and with upside.
It'll be interesting to see what happens but given he's falling out of favour with Tocchet a trade feels inevitable, like Kuz last year.
Why would Vancouver trade Hoglander for a forward?
Needs to be a smaller deal. No Raty or Frederic. Boston would not do the trade as posted. Not to say they would definitely take the smaller deal but it's definitely closer.
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Empoleon8771
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They're not trading Hoglander for a forward, they're trading him for a 3rd and the forward is included as a contract swap.
SensontheRush
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Staois should be at the front of the bidding war with how desperate the Sens are to make the playoffs.
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Elliotte Friedmann disagrees, he says the extra years make him more attractive to other GMs.
I guess we'll see. I see a defensively weak, undersized, overpaid bottom 6 winger who rode an unrepeatable shooting percentage to an overpayment
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Just because gm's are interested it doesn't mean they're willing to give up much for him. They may even look for retention (which Vancouver obviously wouldn't do)
Turin
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No, both can be true. "We like that he's signed in case he rebounds, but his value now is low" is likely exactly what GMs are thinking.
Malkinstheman
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Why should Hoglanders value be any higher than what Tomasino returned? Both are 23 and struggled a lot this season. Tomasino has a better PPG than Hoglander but Hoglander had the 20 goal season last year
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Hoglander had 24 even strength goals last year? I’d that a real question?
Turin
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If you take out the clear shooting% outlier, Tomasino and Hoglander have very similar pedigree and production. Hoglander will be worth more, obviously, given that he had that outlier, but in terms of true talent and ability I think these guys are extremely comparable.
Jumptheshark
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I find it interesting that whenever the Canucks struggle Dhaliwal suddenly gets all these trade rumours.
Having flash back to the 80's in Edmonton when Glen Sather would send messages to his via either Terry Jones or Jim Matthieson to tell a player to get a move on. Both writer mentioned in different books they wrote of some of the stuff Sather did to play games with players
Having flash back to the 80's in Edmonton when Glen Sather would send messages to his via either Terry Jones or Jim Matthieson to tell a player to get a move on. Both writer mentioned in different books they wrote of some of the stuff Sather did to play games with players
MarkusNaslund19
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"If you take out the reality of what happened, my projections are actually quite relevant'.
Turin
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The reality is that Hoglander shot 20% and has struggled immediately after, and also did nothing in the playoffs. That shooting percentage is what separates him from the guy who was traded for a 4th round pick. I like the player, but if you look at his goals last season a ton were deflections. A similar thing happened with Tanner Jeannot in his rookie year.
Breakers
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Hoglander rides a unicycle and juggles to warm up before games
Tomasino doesn’t
Advantage Hoglander
Tomasino doesn’t
Advantage Hoglander
Turin
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That's worth at least an extra 4th rounder I will give you that.
MB3
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devils desperately need forward depth (especially young, cost controlled forward depth) and they are inordinately rich with d prospects. The problem is, none of the devils d prospects are similar in value. Casey, Nemec and Saliyev are all worth way more than Hoglander, but nobody else in the system is worth nearly enough.
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If he'd had a case for it being repeatable, he would've gotten more than 3x3. He was in the top 33 players in the league for even-strength goals. The likelihood of a regression was factored into the deal. His longer term stats fit the 3x3 and he's also a decent forechecker. His team doesn't get caved in when he's on the ice.
Honestly, though! GMs will convince themselves a guy who scored 17 once like 3 years prior is a "20-goal scorer". He's a young 24-goal scorer who goes into hard areas like a wild man. The guy has puck skills.
Is he a high end trade chip? No, not really. But this is the kind of project more than a few GMs would like to take on.
