Speculation: Hoglander Mega Thread: Caps, Pens and CBJ interested

[Double Dion]

Okay what are these stats that suggest Zadorov is better?

Zadorov is a fringe #4/5 who's best suited in a 3rd pair role. Pettersson's a #3 that can be a defensive complement to a #1 OFD or make half of a very good 2nd pair.

Yet another Empoleon post that makes me cringe. Zadorov was a #5 for the Flames because they had 4 #2 defensemen. Pettersson is a 3 for a team with no top 4 guys.

 

[Bankerguy]

i dont get why people keep posting about the Canucks needing an upgrade at the C position

Suter has 14 points in 22 games...how many non-top6 C's are producing as much?
Blueger is also 10 points in 23 games which is like a 36 point pace.. He's also the Center who had the chemistry with Garland / Joshua.
Center is a position of strength for Van.... an upgrade would be nice but it is no where NEAR as important as a second pairing D who can chew thru 20 minutes a night.

 

[Viqsi]

Would Columbus actually trade Sillinger for Hoglander? I wasn’t dIsparaging Sillinger, I was saying Dhali is a fool for thinking Hoglander holds that kind of value.

He's not untouchable, but he's doing much better this year, so I'd be surprised if he gets moved - particularly for a buy-low asset like what Hoglander is right now.

 

[UrbanImpact]

But where does hoglander fit in with Washington?

Dont ask me....its what Friedman and Dhaliwal are reporting that Hoglander is a big target for the Caps.

 

[BCNate]

He's also looked very good at 3C though

Agreed, he has been excellent there too. If we get someone to free Suter up from the 3rd line, we then improve our top line as well. However it shakes out, I think we want to add one more C to the lineup, as it gets pretty thin if anyone goes down. Raty has been good, but I'd rather see him play big minutes in Abby rather than 10 mins a night with the Canucks.

 

[Rowlet]

i dont get why people keep posting about the Canucks needing an upgrade at the C position

Suter has 14 points in 22 games...how many non-top6 C's are producing as much?
Blueger is also 10 points in 23 games which is like a 36 point pace.. He's also the Center who had the chemistry with Garland / Joshua.
Center is a position of strength for Van.... an upgrade would be nice but it is no where NEAR as important as a second pairing D who can chew thru 20 minutes a night.

It's not because the centers are bad, it's that all 5 of them shoot left and Tocchet always wants a righty on the roster for face-offs.

 

[Viqsi]

It's not because the centers are bad, it's that all 5 of them shoot left and Tocchet always wants a righty on the roster for face-offs.

...in that case, what's with the Sillinger inquiries? 'Cause he's also a lefty.

 

[SEALBound]

Dman isnt also the only need the Canucks have. 3C upgrade is probably something they are looking at as well. Their C depth in general especially with the uncertainty of JT Miller at the moment.

Hoglander might get traded for a Forward and then Canucks will use other assets to obtain that top 4 D.

Dhalliwal name dropped Sillinger.

I would imagine they will wait as long as possible before adding a center unless Miller has told them he's out long-term (read: the rest of the season). I could see Hoglander out for a dman soon (whether it's one or two transactions) and then a fill-in center later.

One thing that concerns me for the Canucks is what assets they have to use to get the center. Say it's Sillinger, he won't be cheap. I think whatever assets you get for Hoglander, they use that equivalent to get the dman. So what do they use to get Sillinger (or similar)? That's a Wallander or Lekkerimaki level of assets for him.

I might be hitting up Nashville on Sissons or Seattle on Gourde over Sillinger.

 

[biturbo19]

Pettersson is better than Zadorov and will come at a cheaper hit if the Penguins retain.

If not, then go find another Pettersson for a 3rd and a 5th if that's all you want to spend.

CBJ want a 1st for Provorov. I would suggest he and Pettersson at the top rental dmen available so Pettersson's value should be similar-ish to that.

Yeah. Pettersson is gonna cost a lot more than what was offered there. He's clearly among the top few "rental" defencemen potentially available. I think he's also seen as clearly better than Zadorov was when the Canucks acquired him on the cheap. I think they're probably conflating what Zaddy was for the Canucks and what he got on the open market in the Summer for it, with what his "value" was at the time of that trade. It was also a far more generous trade market around last year's deadline, with a lot more quality potentially available.

I'd have Pettersson behind Provorov in value, but not by nearly as much as that poster did.

Trent Frederic for Hoglander? Fills your 3C need, and a player Tochett would love. Another Bruin too, which should fit in well in the room.

Frederic has played mostly LW for Boston (due to Bergeron, Krejci, Coyle being down the middle), but is a career center and played center for Boston down the stretch and in the playoffs last year. Monty wanted him to play there this year but they moved Zacha back to C which meant Zacha, Lindholm, Coyle down the middle.

I suggested this deal on the Bruins board a couple days ago, citing that Hoglander could help inject some skill into Boston's middle6, but Bruins fans didn't like it.

This is a kind of interesting idea. Frederic being a UFA likely looking for a "cash in" deal this summer is a bit of a stumbling block though. I'm also not totally sure i like him as a Center rather than as a Winger, where it becomes a bit of a lateral move. But i do like him, and think he'd potentially be a real "Tocchet player".

If they confidently think they could get him signed to a less than Hoglander extension, i'd think about it for sure. But i'm not sure that's going to be the case.



From Boston's end though, i'm not sure you'd get what you're expecting in Hoglander tbh. He's "skilled", but in a very specific little niche. He doesn't see the ice well, pretty poor playmaker, constantly out of sync with linemates...but he's dirty darting quick in short areas around the net and has kind of filthy hands "in a phone booth" and finish around the net. But that's mostly the extent of his "skill".

At this point, personally, I’m against trading him as we’re finally shaping up to have a functional core where Sillinger becomes a key piece in the bottom 6.

At the same time I know many CBJ fans are interested in Hoglander, so some deal might be made, perhaps with a pick and prospect package.


I would definitely not do that trade, as we seem to be in a good shape with left handed wingers.

Probably irrelevant to this point, as he's still going to be a LH shooter no matter what, but Hoglander has shown that he can play either wing more or less equally effectively. Especially since defensively, he seems equally weak at the things where handedness matters, whichever wing he plays on.

 

[mdobbs]

Agreed and with the ability to play 2C for a bit if needed. Would love him at 3C for the Canucks and push Bleuger down to 4C.

JT Miller
Pettersson
Sillinger
Bleuger

That would be an excellent Centre core.


What do you think it would cost to get Sillinger?

Suter can fill in as the 3C, he has been excellent this year. Raty has also been very good in a bottom line role and you have to think will grow into a 3C based on his current trajectory

The team should focus on getting another D and not more forwards

 

[biturbo19]

Take Graves and a pick.

Pretty please

If it were the Pens 2nd (2026 i guess?), and they took back some chump like Desharnais and his salary to even things out, i'd definitely think about it. But i doubt many other Canucks fans would be willing to take that risk.

 

[Rowlet]

...in that case, what's with the Sillinger inquiries? 'Cause he's also a lefty.

That was just something speculated by the media, not from any actual Canucks source.

 

[Nucker42]

Weekes, Friedman and now Dhaliwal. Lots of smoke from credible sources. I’m guessing something happens soon.

 

[Canucks LB]

Weekes, Friedman and now Dhaliwal. Lots of smoke from credible sources. I’m guessing something happens soon.

Yeah, way too many names involved in this

 

[Empoleon8771]

Depends on whether or not the Kings opt to attempt to retain Gavrikov. But yeah, I could see Petterson potentially getting a late 1st.

Call me pessimistic but I'm honestly skeptical that Pettersson brings back a 1st, unless a team gets really desperate and there are no other alternatives. His type of defensemen (good positional DFD without physicality) tend to not get crazily highly valued when they get moved. Look at Marino when he was moved to Utah over the off-season, 2 2nds isn't bad but it's also not anything too crazy either.

It's not impossible that something like Hoglander and a 1st for Pettersson ends up a deal, but I think Pettersson's value is closer to what Tanev brought back last year (Grushnikov and a 2nd). If Pettersson ends up going to Vancouver, I figure it would be something like:

Penguins get Hoglander, Mynio and a 2025 2nd and retain $2 million on Pettersson
Hawks get a 2025 5th from Vancouver and retain $1 million on Pettersson
Canucks get Pettersson at $1 million

 

[Viqsi]

Call me pessimistic but I'm honestly skeptical that Pettersson brings back a 1st, unless a team gets really desperate and there are no other alternatives. His type of defensemen (good positional DFD without physicality) tend to not get crazily highly valued when they get moved. Look at Marino when he was moved to Utah over the off-season, 2 2nds isn't bad but it's also not anything too crazy either.

I'm mentally referencing when we traded away Gavrikov.

 

[biturbo19]

Call me pessimistic but I'm honestly skeptical that Pettersson brings back a 1st, unless a team gets really desperate and there are no other alternatives. His type of defensemen (good positional DFD without physicality) tend to not get crazily highly valued when they get moved. Look at Marino when he was moved to Utah over the off-season, 2 2nds isn't bad but it's also not anything too crazy either.

It's not impossible that something like Hoglander and a 1st for Pettersson ends up a deal, but I think Pettersson's value is closer to what Tanev brought back last year (Grushnikov and a 2nd). If Pettersson ends up going to Vancouver, I figure it would be something like:

Penguins get Hoglander, Mynio and a 2025 2nd and retain $2 million on Pettersson
Hawks get a 2025 5th from Vancouver and retain $1 million on Pettersson
Canucks get Pettersson at $1 million

It especially makes sense when you hear about the interest in Hoglander with Dubas, and consider the way he tends to make deals, and the sort of pickle he's in with an aging core that needs help now.

I think that actually looks like a pretty reasonable approximation of what that deal might actually look like.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm mentally referencing when we traded away Gavrikov.

I was going to say I thought Gavrikov was more of a 2-way guy than Pettersson was, but I didn't actually realize he wasn't as productive normally as he was in 2021-2022. I thought he was always a 35 point 2-way D.

It especially makes sense when you hear about the interest in Hoglander with Dubas, and consider the way he tends to make deals, and the sort of pickle he's in with an aging core that needs help now.

I think that actually looks like a pretty reasonable approximation of what that deal might actually look like.

Yeah the only part I'm iffy on in that deal is whether Dubas would want Mynio or would want a guy a bit closer to NHL ready. But I think the framework (Hoglander, a prospect and a 2nd) fits really well with both what Dubas has said and what he has done, and it's also a pretty mild package for the Canucks to be giving up overall for a player that everyone knows they're interested in.

I could see Dubas trying to get D-man Elias Pettersson rather than Mynio, but the same reasons that Dubas would try for him are the same reasons I think the Canucks wouldn't be keen on moving him.

 

[cordaroyclip]

From the top rope-

BOS Receives:
LW Nils Hoglander ($3M cap hit thru 2027-28 season)
C Aatu Räty ($836K cap hit, pending RFA)
RD Vincent Desharnais ($2M cap hit thru 2025-26 season)
Canucks 2025 2nd round pick

VAN Receives:
C Trent Frederic ($2.3M cap hit, pending RFA)
RD Brandon Carlo ($4.1M cap hit thru 2026-27)

 

[Petes2424]

Multiple teams extremely interested, here is the clip.

Sure sounds like it’s happening in the next week or sooner.

The Canucks are searching for more scoring depth with Hoglander struggling, JT out and knowing Pius Suter’s production probably won’t continue.

It also didn’t take them long to find out Lekkerimaki needs more time in the AHL too. He’s just not able to get his shot off consistently 5 on 5 yet. So he’ll need more time in the AHL, working on getting it off quicker. It’s common for a lot of kids. Problem is, it can take 20 games, 50 games or another calendar year. Some never overcome it. Lekkerimaki is a smart player, who’ll put in the work though. He got 5 games to see exactly what he’ll have to do in Abbotsford until he’s ready.

So what can they get for a 5’9” struggling player, with a $3 million price tag? It’s a tough one. Vancouver fans seen what he could do last year, so they think he’s worth more than others would. Like he said in the show, he’s not bringing a Provorov or Severson. Not by himself.

Worst thing in the NHL is a player who’s scared to make mistakes too. That’s Hoglander right now.

So I doubt they can get Cole Sillinger in return for him.

Drew O’Connor from PIT is probably their best type of player they could hope for straight up.

How about Kaapo Kakko from the Rangers? That’s a trade where both teams could still profit from the upside they know a player is capable of? Kakko would immediately help the Canucks on the walls too. Just not sure he doesn’t end up in Tocchet’s doghouse as well. Then, not to sure the Rangers wanna get smaller. You’d think Tocchet would love him, because he was a similar player type.

All that said, it does look like a trade probably is coming with Hoglander. They’ve tried all their internal options looking for more scoring, so good bet it’ll be an outside option. Once again. Just not sure Hoglander brings that by himself. They may have to dip into their futures, in return for help in the NHL though. We’ll see.

 

[Empoleon8771]

From the top rope-

BOS Receives:
LW Nils Hoglander ($3M cap hit thru 2027-28 season)
C Aatu Räty ($836K cap hit, pending RFA)
RD Vincent Desharnais ($2M cap hit thru 2025-26 season)
Canucks 2025 2nd round pick

VAN Receives:
C Trent Frederic ($2.3M cap hit, pending RFA)
RD Brandon Carlo ($4.1M cap hit thru 2026-27)

You have the Bruins giving up the 2 most valuable pieces in this deal.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

From the top rope-

BOS Receives:
LW Nils Hoglander ($3M cap hit thru 2027-28 season)
C Aatu Räty ($836K cap hit, pending RFA)
RD Vincent Desharnais ($2M cap hit thru 2025-26 season)
Canucks 2025 2nd round pick

VAN Receives:
C Trent Frederic ($2.3M cap hit, pending RFA)
RD Brandon Carlo ($4.1M cap hit thru 2026-27)

Done no takebacks.

 

[Gurglesons]

If it were the Pens 2nd (2026 i guess?), and they took back some chump like Desharnais and his salary to even things out, i'd definitely think about it. But i doubt many other Canucks fans would be willing to take that risk.

Many other Canucks fans wouldn't because Graves is complete dog shit.

 

[Breakers]

Gonna be a sad day to see the short prince moved

I like his game, he is tough to defend beneath the goal line.
We’ve just been putting him in a blender after 5 games when his line was the best on the team

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I'm thinking the Canucks pull a Brandon Hagel-like deal the Lightning did with Chicago.

What I mean by that is because of his good numbers and low contract he could be traded for 1st, 2nd, and two prospects.