Speculation: Hoglander Mega Thread: Caps, Pens and CBJ interested

[Blackhawkswincup]

Call me pessimistic but I'm honestly skeptical that Pettersson brings back a 1st, unless a team gets really desperate and there are no other alternatives. His type of defensemen (good positional DFD without physicality) tend to not get crazily highly valued when they get moved. Look at Marino when he was moved to Utah over the off-season, 2 2nds isn't bad but it's also not anything too crazy either.

It's not impossible that something like Hoglander and a 1st for Pettersson ends up a deal, but I think Pettersson's value is closer to what Tanev brought back last year (Grushnikov and a 2nd). If Pettersson ends up going to Vancouver, I figure it would be something like:

Penguins get Hoglander, Mynio and a 2025 2nd and retain $2 million on Pettersson
Hawks get a 2025 5th from Vancouver and retain $1 million on Pettersson
Canucks get Pettersson at $1 million

I see no reason for Hawks to waste a retention slot as 3rd party in trade just for a 5th round pick

Hawks have

2 1sts
2 2nds
2 4ths
6th
7th

In this years draft

They have no need to add a 5th round pick

If you want Hawks to retain that would require giving Hawks something of actual value

 

[biturbo19]

Many other Canucks fans wouldn't because Graves is complete dog shit.

I mean, it's possible. The majority of his career, that's been true. But i still think he's been a victim of circumstances who has actually grown as a player. And is also exactly the sort of Zaddy-esque defenceman, or Myers type who actually seems to really thrive under this current Canucks coaching staff.

I still stand by the idea that the problem with Graves in Pittsburgh isn't so much him specifically...it's that he is a piss poor fit with either of their top two aggressive offensive-minded RHD.


The contract is obviously an enormous risk though. But it runs the same length as Hoglander's extension. Which is less "risky" but does still carry some potential liability if, like Graves...he can't find the right "fit" in a roster.

If you take out the clear shooting% outlier, Tomasino and Hoglander have very similar pedigree and production. Hoglander will be worth more, obviously, given that he had that outlier, but in terms of true talent and ability I think these guys are extremely comparable.

Ehhh...I think there are a lot of pretty clear differences that separate Hoggy and Tomato. Prime among them, is that Hoglander has never really lacked for "effort" and "try". He just sometimes tries hard at the wrong thing. They're really only kind of superficially similar.

 

[David71]

van should find a right handed centerman to win those d zone draws. dont need another lefty

 

[Brookbank]

Very big buy low potential here, Hoglander has all the talent needed to be successful, but his play away with the puck is lacking.

Hw lost the trust of Tochett, but should still get a good player in return

Trade away another one of Peteys friends. This seems dumb. Hopefully this is another one of those non trades. The same that happened to Miller , Boeser and Garlund.

Nobody cares about Hoglander, I don't get the hype. Small, expensive.

Nick Robertson is there for free.

Same even strength goals as Draisitle last year genius.

But yeah he sucks. I hope nobody gives the Canucks a good offer. It wouldn't be the first time the rest of the league was too dumb to buy low on a Canucks player

 

[Canucks LB]

I find it interesting that whenever the Canucks struggle Dhaliwal suddenly gets all these trade rumours.

Having flash back to the 80's in Edmonton when Glen Sather would send messages to his via either Terry Jones or Jim Matthieson to tell a player to get a move on. Both writer mentioned in different books they wrote of some of the stuff Sather did to play games with players

I don’t think you’ve looked at the standings, we’re struggling?

Also, Dhaliwal, friedman, weeks and servelli have all said Höglander is getting big interest

 

[Johnsie19]

Hoglander, 1st, 2nd has to be getting into the Andersson, Byram tier no?

 

[innitfam]

They're not trading Hoglander for a forward, they're trading him for a 3rd and the forward is included as a contract swap.

I doubt it but I guess we shall see

 

[Jumptheshark]

I don’t think you’ve looked at the standings, we’re struggling?

Also, Dhaliwal, friedman, weeks and servelli have all said Höglander is getting big interest

Article came out before the back to back wins

 

[Fjordsen]

Hoglander, 1st, 2nd has to be getting into the Andersson, Byram tier no?

I can't speak for Flames fans, but it makes no sense for Sabres to make a deal like that.

 

[Canucks LB]

Article came out before the back to back wins

Fair enough

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Hoglander, 1st, 2nd has to be getting into the Andersson, Byram tier no?

Winger and a late first and 2nd isn't getting that sorry. I'd assume at the bare minimum a young #4 Dman has to go back.

 

[ayoshi]

Hoglander for N. Robertson who says no?

 

[biturbo19]

Hoglander for N. Robertson who says no?

The Canucks, easily. What on earth would they want with a useless waiver fodder Nick Robertson?

 

[CanMerc]

With the cap expected to be going up each of the next few years, 3x3 for Hoglander isn’t that big a deal…I can see GMs taking a swing on him, hoping he can repeat his totals from last year.
Now, will they be willing to pay high for him…unlikely

 

[KrisLeturnover]

Guys Ryan Graves isn’t actually that bad. Graves+ is actually a really solid haul, I swear.

 

[Peter Griffin]

devils desperately need forward depth (especially young, cost controlled forward depth) and they are inordinately rich with d prospects. The problem is, none of the devils d prospects are similar in value. Casey, Nemec and Saliyev are all worth way more than Hoglander, but nobody else in the system is worth nearly enough.

We’ll take that Kovacevic guy off your hands.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I see no reason for Hawks to waste a retention slot as 3rd party in trade just for a 5th round pick

Hawks have

2 1sts
2 2nds
2 4ths
6th
7th

In this years draft

They have no need to add a 5th round pick

If you want Hawks to retain that would require giving Hawks something of actual value

Or you could go look at what teams actually get for using a retention slot, which is about a 5th round pick.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Hoglander had 24 even strength goals last year? I’d that a real question?

Yeah but there's more to hockey than just goals. Both guys have been roughly 0.5 PPG players in their normal seasons (27 in 56 and 36 in 80 for Hoglander, 32 in 76 and 38 in 72 in the last 2 years combined for Tomasino) and both guys were viewed as fairly high upside.

Tomasino's value was lower because Nashville dunked his value, but I really struggle to see Hoglander's value being much higher right now. Tomasino brought back a 2027 4th, I'd bet that Hoglander's value is like a 2025 3rd. It's better but not substantially.

 

[Nucker42]

Yeah but there's more to hockey than just goals. Both guys have been roughly 0.5 PPG players in their normal seasons (27 in 56 and 36 in 80 for Hoglander, 32 in 76 and 38 in 72 in the last 2 years combined for Tomasino) and both guys were viewed as fairly high upside.

Tomasino's value was lower because Nashville dunked his value, but I really struggle to see Hoglander's value being much higher right now. Tomasino brought back a 2027 4th, I'd bet that Hoglander's value is like a 2025 3rd. It's better but not substantially.

Yeah I've never really agreed with the aggregate scoring like that. Much harder to do over the course of an entire season vs over two shortened seasons. If you ask any Canuck fan, Hollander was excellent last year.

I'm not sitting here saying teams are going to pay a 1st for Hollander by any means. But I do think he will get more than a 3rd or more likely be a part of a bigger package. Usually fodder type players who might only get a 4th back aren't going to generate several insider reports about teams being interested.

Friedman, Weekes and Dhaliwal have all reported several teams are interested. I actually likely Tomasino and I think he might do really well in Pitt I just see their values differently.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Yeah but there's more to hockey than just goals. Both guys have been roughly 0.5 PPG players in their normal seasons (27 in 56 and 36 in 80 for Hoglander, 32 in 76 and 38 in 72 in the last 2 years combined for Tomasino) and both guys were viewed as fairly high upside.

Tomasino's value was lower because Nashville dunked his value, but I really struggle to see Hoglander's value being much higher right now. Tomasino brought back a 2027 4th, I'd bet that Hoglander's value is like a 2025 3rd. It's better but not substantially.

If Hoglander only returns a 3rd, there’s no point trading him right now unless there’s another deal lined up where they can flip that pick for someone else.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Hoglander only returns a 3rd, there’s no point trading him right now unless there’s another deal lined up where they can flip that pick for someone else.

The point of trading him is preventing him from getting even lower value and dipping into negative value territory because of how he's being used.

If this kind of play and usage from Hoglander continues, Vancouver is going to be either buying him out or paying for someone to take him once his 3x3 deal kicks in.

 

[Peter Griffin]

The point of trading him is preventing him from getting even lower value and dipping into negative value territory because of how he's being used.

If this kind of play and usage from Hoglander continues, Vancouver is going to be either buying him out or paying for someone to take him once his 3x3 deal kicks in.

His buyout is basically nothing, $500k over 6 years. I’d rather take the chance of him turning things around under Tocchet over the next 30-40 games than to just dump him for a 3rd at this point personally.

 

[dirtydanglez]

hurry up

 

[Johnsie19]

I can't speak for Flames fans, but it makes no sense for Sabres to make a deal like that.

what kind of deal would make sense?

Winger and a late first and 2nd isn't getting that sorry. I'd assume at the bare minimum a young #4 Dman has to go back.

Desjarnais or Forbert?

 

[Fjordsen]

what kind of deal would make sense?

With the Canucks for Byram? Honestly, I don't see many options, we just don't need Hoglander, we have a lot of forwards, but Byram plays an important role for us in the first pair.