Speculation: Hoglander Mega Thread: Caps, Pens and CBJ interested

[Luigi Lemieux]

Pettersson has been on Pittsburgh's top pair for years now, and his metrics are better than every other dman on the team. Trying to downplay what he brings is silly. He's the best dman available at the deadline.

 

[Rowlet]

Playing 3rd line minutes so far this year. I think he was splitting time on the 2nd and 3rd last year but when the playoffs rolled around he got pushed to the 3rd and his numbers fell. Curious to know why he fell out of favour with Tockett

There's a logjam at forwards, lots of injuries have forced a ton of line juggling, he hasn't been playing great defensively, and in the playoffs he couldn't get anything going with an injured Pettersson and a Mikheyev'd Mikheyev.

 

[DeltaSwede]

Literally why would Columbus even remotely consider this

Like I'm questioning if this is even a serious suggestion because of how crazily lopsided it is for the Canucks.

Says the guy consistently throwing out horrible proposals. Nieto and a 3rd? What?

How about Arshdeep Bains for Crosby? Who adds?

 

[Uncle]

Screams dubas and penguins to me. Trying for cheap young nhlers and reclamations - puljujarvi, tomasino, mcgroarty

 

[Empoleon8771]

Says the guy consistently throwing out horrible proposals. Nieto and a 3rd? What?

How about Arshdeep Bains for Crosby? Who adds?

You are aware that Hoglander has 5 points in 23 games this year? On what planet is he somehow getting a better return than Nieto and a 3rd? His value right now is only a 2nd or 3rd at best. Nieto is a warm body just included so it's an even contract swap, he has zero value.

 

[RandV]

Price for Zadorov was 3rd and 5th. Pettersson would have very similar value, or slightly lower.

That doesn't mean anything. Vancouver got Zadorov for cheap because Calgary wanted to move him early in the season with no salary retention, and we were basically the only option. That has no bearing on a Marcus Petterson trade, who the Pens can could hold out on and probably get a 1st.

Personally I find Hoglander to be overrated by a lot of Canuck fans, in general I'm always wary of guys who out of nowhere score a lot more goals than assists. But while he's wearing out in Vancouver there's enough there to interest other teams and potentially be a positive asset with a fresh start.

 

[SEALBound]

Not at all. I don’t do that shit. He’s a good player but his strength is not puck moving and that’s what the Canucks need. They have defensive towers already.

1st rounders would say are out there for guys like Provorov, Sandhiem. Game changers. Pettersson is good at a lot of things but not a game changer by any means. I’m sure he’ll get a 2nd but I don’t think he’s getting much more. I just think him and Zadorov are similar and would bring similar packages.

Zadorov was excellent in Vancouver last year and is beloved by fans here.

I like Provorov and Sanheim but if you're thinking they are going to be "game changers" over Pettersson, I have a condo with an ocean view in Kansas I'd like to discuss with you.

 

[UrbanImpact]

There are some rumblings that Hronek's recent shoulder injury will require surgery which could end his season or at the very leasy have him out for 4-6 months. Having said that with Hronek in the lineup, the Canucks were already talking about how they needed more puck moving and 2 way production from their Dmen.

This is why I think Pettersson is not their target. Pettersson is an excellent shut down Dman and will be a good addition to a playoff team. In my opinion, The Canucks are going for a bigger name and a Dman that is more able to be a 2way Dman than Pettterson. I think they will be trying to make a huge blockbuster trade for the likes of Dobson or Sanheim or Byram type.

 

[SEALBound]

There are some rumblings that Hronek's recent shoulder injury will require surgery which could end his season or at the very leasy have him out for 4-6 months. Having said that with Hronek in the lineup, the Canucks were already talking about how they needed more puck moving and 2 way production from their Dmen.

This is why I think Pettersson is not their target. Pettersson is an excellent shut down Dman and will be a good addition to a playoff team. In my opinion, The Canucks are going for a bigger name and a Dman that is more able to be a 2way Dman than Pettterson. I think they will be trying to make a huge blockbuster trade for the likes of Dobson or Sanheim or Byram type.

That's not a completely unfair take either. To be fair, I do think we're getting a little outside of the tread title here. Penguins could still trade for Hoglander and the Canucks could still bring in a dman in moves independent of each other.

Hoglander to the Pens for a 3rd, 1st+3rd+Pettersson to NYI for Dobson.

 

[Nucker42]

Where did I ever say that Pettersson was a top-5 defenseman in the league? I said he was a #3 defenseman while Zadorov is a fringe #4/5. Which is exactly what the JFresh charts there say.



How does the amount of games played have any relevance to how good he is?

And yes, it's totally fair to not give up a 1st for him. Tanev didn't get back a 1st as a rental last year either. I'm saying that comparing him to Zadorov and saying he'd only get back a similar return is ridiculous, because Pettersson is on par with Tanev and not Zadorov.

Pettersson has been on Pittsburgh's top pair for years now, and his metrics are better than every other dman on the team. Trying to downplay what he brings is silly. He's the best dman available at the deadline.

No one downplayed him. I compared him to a player I really like and who is beloved in Vancouver. He’s a good 2nd pairing defender.

 

[UrbanImpact]

That's not a completely unfair take either. To be fair, I do think we're getting a little outside of the tread title here. Penguins could still trade for Hoglander and the Canucks could still bring in a dman in moves independent of each other.

Hoglander to the Pens for a 3rd, 1st+3rd+Pettersson to NYI for Dobson.

Dman isnt also the only need the Canucks have. 3C upgrade is probably something they are looking at as well. Their C depth in general especially with the uncertainty of JT Miller at the moment.

Hoglander might get traded for a Forward and then Canucks will use other assets to obtain that top 4 D.

Dhalliwal name dropped Sillinger.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Dhalliwal name dropped Sillinger.

As someone he likes. Nobody has ever confused Dhaliwhal for a logical man.

 

[ViD]

As someone he likes. Nobody has ever confused Dhaliwhal for a logical man.

Sillinger is a great bottom 6 player

 

[iFan]

This will likely be a mistake

 

[UrbanImpact]

Sillinger is a great bottom 6 player

Agreed and with the ability to play 2C for a bit if needed. Would love him at 3C for the Canucks and push Bleuger down to 4C.

JT Miller
Pettersson
Sillinger
Bleuger

That would be an excellent Centre core.


What do you think it would cost to get Sillinger?

 

[Peter Griffin]

Sillinger is a great bottom 6 player

Would Columbus actually trade Sillinger for Hoglander? I wasn’t dIsparaging Sillinger, I was saying Dhali is a fool for thinking Hoglander holds that kind of value.

 

[ViD]

Agreed and with the ability to play 2C for a bit if needed. Would love him at 3C for the Canucks and push Bleuger down to 4C.

JT Miller
Pettersson
Sillinger
Bleuger

That would be an excellent Centre core.


What do you think it would cost to get Sillinger?

At this point, personally, I’m against trading him as we’re finally shaping up to have a functional core where Sillinger becomes a key piece in the bottom 6.

At the same time I know many CBJ fans are interested in Hoglander, so some deal might be made, perhaps with a pick and prospect package.

Would Columbus actually trade Sillinger for Hoglander? I wasn’t dIsparaging Sillinger, I was saying Dhali is a fool for thinking Hoglander holds that kind of value.

I would definitely not do that trade, as we seem to be in a good shape with left handed wingers.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Would Columbus actually trade Sillinger for Hoglander? I wasn’t dIsparaging Sillinger, I was saying Dhali is a fool for thinking Hoglander holds that kind of value.

They have Fantili, Kent Johnson, Monahan down the middle i believe....

Drafted Cayden Lindstrom, and Gavin Brindley, both Cs as well.

I dont think Sillinger is untouchable at all in CBJ.

He holds more value than Hoglander so Canucks would add but i dont think it would be astronomically more especially considering how cost controlled Hoglander is.

 

[Peter Griffin]

They have Fantili, Kent Johnson, Monahan down the middle i believe....

Drafted Cayden Lindstrom, and Gavin Brindley, both Cs as well.

I dont think Sillinger is untouchable at all in CBJ.

He holds more value than Hoglander so Canucks would add but i dont think it would be astronomically more especially considering how cost controlled Hoglander is.

Kent Johnson is playing wing. Just how we would love to have Sillinger as a great 3rd line center, so would Columbus. Right now, he’s 3rd in their forward group in minutes/game averaging over 18 minutes. It makes no sense.

 

[BCNate]

IF we retain we should get Hoglander, a '25 2hd and maybe Mynio. For MP at say 40% retention.

I think that is pretty reasonable for both teams. Hoglander has had a rough start, but has proven her can produce in the NHL. Mynio has been solid since we drafted him, and keeps elevating his game. We never pick in the second round, so that makes sense here. MP is exactly what we need.

 

[Viqsi]

Pettersson is better than Zadorov and will come at a cheaper hit if the Penguins retain.

If not, then go find another Pettersson for a 3rd and a 5th if that's all you want to spend.

CBJ want a 1st for Provorov. I would suggest he and Pettersson at the top rental dmen available so Pettersson's value should be similar-ish to that.

Depends on whether or not the Kings opt to attempt to retain Gavrikov. But yeah, I could see Petterson potentially getting a late 1st.

 

[Double Dion]

Is he? Statistically and the eye test might suggest Zadorov is actually better. Not seeing it.

I agree with you. Zadorov is better. I just think you'll pay the penguins more because he's not a distressed asset like Zadorov was. You guys won the Zadorov trade by miles. Should have been a 2nd and 3rd.

 

[BCNate]

Dman isnt also the only need the Canucks have. 3C upgrade is probably something they are looking at as well. Their C depth in general especially with the uncertainty of JT Miller at the moment.

Hoglander might get traded for a Forward and then Canucks will use other assets to obtain that top 4 D.

Dhalliwal name dropped Sillinger.

Upgrading the 3C also moves Puis Suter back onto the Wing with Miller and Boeser. I thought he looked very good with those two.

 

[Rowlet]

Upgrading the 3C also moves Puis Suter back onto the Wing with Miller and Boeser. I thought he looked very good with those two.

He's also looked very good at 3C though

 

[hockeykicker]

Vincent Iorio is an interesting name out of the caps.

Local BC kid. I dont think he would be a current upgrade on Myers, Desharnais or Branstrom though but can potentially be a nice prospect to add to the cupboard.

Can Caps fan elaborate more on him and maybe give a scouting report.

But where does hoglander fit in with Washington?