Hockey Cards - Part III

[Mr Kot]

Kind of glad the bedard cycle is gone now, hopefully prices wont be so comically high now for this crop.

 

[Rorschach]

Damn this is a lot of denial.
Oh well, it is what it is. I can’t change the mind of a stranger on a hockey forum.

"not a homer"
Are you sure? How can you be so sure?

If McDavid quit hockey today, you think he has a GOAT resume as a center with 0 Cups and (since 2017, his first successful season) other guys beating him for Art Ross (3x times), Hart (5x times, 5 different guys no less!)...that doesn't scream dominance to me as a scoring center. How can he be GOAT of all time when he's not even GOAT season to season?

Sounds like a severe case of recency bias to me.

Kind of glad the bedard cycle is gone now, hopefully prices wont be so comically high now for this crop.

The premium for Celebrini should be interesting to see.

 

[CutOnDime97]

No need to define what proves a top 100 player. It's already assumed he appears to have a top 100 player resume. But the GOATs already have much higher criteria. The big four all have huge resumes and are known outside of hockey.

Are we arguing that he's at the level of the big 4 or in the same tier as Evgeni Malkin??

 

[Craig Ludwig]

It’s pretty easy to explain. You’re newly rich, maybe from crypto or some other investment. You buy cards of players you know.

In fact, Vintage cards are so poorly printed, unless they’re super high grade or pre-war, there’s little to generate interest. One of the cards on that list is a game worn jersey shield 1/1 autographed by Wayne Gretzky.

I remember one year I had a windfall of well over $50k and I blew 90% of that on hockey cases. It never once occurred to me to buy a vintage card. Why? My first collecting was coins. And like coin collecting, it’s dying and the majority of collecting is done by guys born 70s or earlier. With all the hype around modern players with tons of video on YT and games on TV, and the fact the early 90s being the most exciting era of hockey ever, the card collecting base is under 50.

Yeah I agree to an extent. But it's a lot easier to lose money in all these new cards if you hold on to them, as opposed to simply flipping them (See Lafreniere, Kaprizov and hundreds more). And TBH, breaking cases for the most part yields much less than what you put in, it's basically like buying scratch tickets hoping you hit a big one, or playing slot machines. We see the fake You Tube videos of an awesome 1/1 find, yet we don't see the thousand other breaks of simple garbage and a waste of a thousand bucks. Vintage hockey are for holding on to long term and making steady long term growth, basically enjoying them (Although Baseball Vintage is a much better investment). To each their own, I guess I'm more of the thought of buying Berkshire Hathaway stock as opposed to Crypto.

 

[Coffey]

"not a homer"
Are you sure? How can you be so sure?

Seeing as how it’s your single opinion vs several others here, I’m pretty sure.

I even got Satan on my side.

How can he be GOAT of all time when he's not even GOAT season to season?

Quite an embellishment considering not once did I say he’s the goat of all time. This is a sign you’re unhinged and losing the argument.

 

[Rorschach]

Yeah I agree to an extent. But it's a lot easier to lose money in all these new cards if you hold on to them, as opposed to simply flipping them (See Lafreniere, Kaprizov and hundreds more). And TBH, breaking cases for the most part yields much less than what you put in, it's basically like buying scratch tickets hoping you hit a big one, or playing slot machines. We see the fake You Tube videos of an awesome 1/1 find, yet we don't see the thousand other breaks of simple garbage and a waste of a thousand bucks. Vintage hockey are for holding on to long term and making steady long term growth, basically enjoying them (Although Baseball Vintage is a much better investment). To each their own, I guess I'm more of the thought of buying Berkshire Hathaway stock as opposed to Crypto.

No argument there, I'm not justifying what they're doing, just explaining the mechanisms.

But, if you can buy early, in other words if you commit money early and order your cases, it can be quite rewarding.

Just counting hockey, I've broken literally hundreds of cases. I used to post them on Beckett Forums. Between finding very good prices, sticking to core products (I feel like there's only 4 that come out for sure every year) and sticking ONLY to good years or heavily discounted product, it is possible to find your way to high expected value.

One thing I find myself doing is opening the same product over and over, then skipping the next two seasons. Then again, somehow I have ridiculous luck in box openings. I don't have the, open one pack and make back three boxes of value but I have the open 3 cases and get 4 cases of value over many, many cases.

 

[Rorschach]

Seeing as how it’s your single opinion vs several others here, I’m pretty sure.

I even got Satan on my side.


Quite an embellishment considering not once did I say he’s the goat of all time. This is a sign you’re unhinged and losing the argument.

You know GOAT stands for Greatest Of All Time right? And in hockey the general debate is the top 4 and then who is number 5.

By the way you should look up the term "bandwagon fallacy".

 

[Rorschach]

Are we arguing that he's at the level of the big 4 or in the same tier as Evgeni Malkin??

I'm not sure, I'm talking about a hobby GOAT, which usually means a GOAT player but it doesn't always. Sometimes a player can be great but not get recognition for it, like Malkin as you mentioned above.

For example, it's obvious the previous era that is coming to an end, there's a clear top two. But is there a 3 or a 4? Or is it just the top 2? Malkin imo is three as a player but as someone collected, he's not. It might just be those two.

 

[shakes the clown]

I stand corrected, I'm old school (Vintage) and TBH cannot comprehend how people would pay that amount of money...

I'm with you 100%. I look at that list and I think most of those cards are total garbage. All these cards with a piece of the jersey or an autograph are just manufactured manipulative nonsense. Only value because of forced rarity. No different than just going down to your local gas station and buying a quick pick lottery ticket.

The ones where there are two random stars on the same card with autos or jersey pieces are the worst by far. Just disgusting nonsense.

No thanks, I'll stick with vintage and won't even look twice at anything produced after the 80s.

 

[miscs75]

Got that in a break the other day. Do I chase the rest of the rainbow now?

 

[Rorschach]

I'm with you 100%. I look at that list and I think most of those cards are total garbage. All these cards with a piece of the jersey or an autograph are just manufactured manipulative nonsense. Only value because of forced rarity. No different than just going down to your local gas station and buying a quick pick lottery ticket.

The ones where there are two random stars on the same card with autos or jersey pieces are the worst by far. Just disgusting nonsense.

No thanks, I'll stick with vintage and won't even look twice at anything produced after the 80s.

It works like this: you become a fan when you become a fan. For me it was 1990. My first favorite player, back in high school, was Rob Blake and I have a binder full of Blake cards worth like 20 bucks. As I became a more experienced viewer, I eventually became a Drew Doughty fan. I have many of his key RCs including the best one, The Cup 1/1 Black RC. I watched him dominate for Canada and win two Cups, the first two ever for LA, and at home. And I was there for both of them.

I can't imagine collecting someone like Brad Park, who may be even a better player than Doughty, because I have no connection to such a player. I think the only "vintage" card I have (70s and older) is a Larry Robinson RC, along with some commons someone gave me.

View attachment 910244 Got that in a break the other day. Do I chase the rest of the rainbow now?

Congrats! Who is it?

 

[miscs75]

Congrats! Who is it?

Pelech, All Star Adam Pelech (in James Bond’s voice)

 

[Rorschach]

Pelech, All Star Adam Pelech (in James Bond’s voice)

I’m assuming this is The Cup?

 

[Satan]

@Rorschach show us ur patrick o'sullivan collection

 

[Rorschach]

@Rorschach show us ur patrick o'sullivan collection

Luckily I no has. I do have a small Voynov collection… 1/1 Ultimate Shield. My young fellow collector pal at the time went for O’Sullivan but since he didn’t have much money, he couldn’t get burned by much.

 

[miscs75]

I’m assuming this is The Cup?

Yup but the plates are 22-23 extended plates

 

[Rorschach]

Yup but the plates are 22-23 extended plates

It being Pelech and not a RC, The rainbow, if you want it, should be well within your grasp. It might not be as cheap as you think but it's doable if you wish.

 

[miscs75]

It being Pelech and not a RC, The rainbow, if you want it, should be well within your grasp. It might not be as cheap as you think but it's doable if you wish.

Hardest ones to find will be the clear cut exclusives and high gloss. I can do the epacks ones real easy with some trading.

 

[Rorschach]

Hardest ones to find will be the clear cut exclusives and high gloss. I can do the epacks ones real easy with some trading.

After you've exhausted your personal connections, you can put out feelers to the hobbyinsider forum. Just search for Hobby Insider Forum. DO NOT LET PEOPLE KNOW YOU ARE GOING FOR ANY RAINBOW.

 

[miscs75]

After you've exhausted your personal connections, you can put out feelers to the hobbyinsider forum. Just search for Hobby Insider Forum. DO NOT LET PEOPLE KNOW YOU ARE GOING FOR ANY RAINBOW.

I can test that one and SCF. There’s a high gloss on eBay right now for $30 but I’m holding out for now.

 

[Rorschach]

I can test that one and SCF. There’s a high gloss on eBay right now for $30 but I’m holding out for now.

For me, at $30, I would just pull the trigger. FOMO is worth way more than $100, let alone $30 as this is a /10 card. Also, the HG is a cool enough card that having 2x, 3x, 8x copies in of itself is rather cool. I look at it like this: if I work overtime for an hour I get way more than $100 and thus if it takes me many, many off-hours to find another copy or you're just searching and don't even find, that's not worth trying to save $5.

This is assuming you have some connection with Pelech. Or you could sell it to a person who does.

 

[miscs75]

For me, at $30, I would just pull the trigger. FOMO is worth way more than $100, let alone $30 as this is a /10 card. Also, the HG is a cool enough card that having 2x, 3x, 8x copies in of itself is rather cool. I look at it like this: if I work overtime for an hour I get way more than $100 and thus if it takes me many, many off-hours to find another copy or you're just searching and don't even find, that's not worth trying to save $5.

Gonna see if I can find the clear cut exclusives first or if one was even for sale ever

 

[Rorschach]

Gonna see if I can find the clear cut exclusives first or if one was even for sale ever

Are you checking that to check off the toughest cards first, guaranteeing the rainbow is well in grasp?

 

[miscs75]

Are you checking that to check off the toughest cards first, guaranteeing the rainbow is well in grasp?

Yup. I bought the exclusive, clear cut and French for a combined $15 before. I have the physical base and I’ll do the 2 epacks variants by trading for the 110 base needs. I might have the speckled variant but I need to check first.

 

[crowfish]

"not a homer"
Are you sure? How can you be so sure?

If McDavid quit hockey today, you think he has a GOAT resume as a center with 0 Cups and (since 2017, his first successful season) other guys beating him for Art Ross (3x times), Hart (5x times, 5 different guys no less!)...that doesn't scream dominance to me as a scoring center. How can he be GOAT of all time when he's not even GOAT season to season?

Sounds like a severe case of recency bias to me.



The premium for Celebrini should be interesting to see.

You should stop embarrassing yourself on this topic.