Hockey Cards - Part III

[Mr Kot]

Kind of glad the bedard cycle is gone now, hopefully prices wont be so comically high now for this crop.

 

[Rorschach]

Damn this is a lot of denial.
Oh well, it is what it is. I can’t change the mind of a stranger on a hockey forum.

"not a homer"
Are you sure? How can you be so sure?

If McDavid quit hockey today, you think he has a GOAT resume as a center with 0 Cups and (since 2017, his first successful season) other guys beating him for Art Ross (3x times), Hart (5x times, 5 different guys no less!)...that doesn't scream dominance to me as a scoring center. How can he be GOAT of all time when he's not even GOAT season to season?

Sounds like a severe case of recency bias to me.

Kind of glad the bedard cycle is gone now, hopefully prices wont be so comically high now for this crop.

The premium for Celebrini should be interesting to see.

 

[CutOnDime97]

No need to define what proves a top 100 player. It's already assumed he appears to have a top 100 player resume. But the GOATs already have much higher criteria. The big four all have huge resumes and are known outside of hockey.

Are we arguing that he's at the level of the big 4 or in the same tier as Evgeni Malkin??

 

[Craig Ludwig]

It’s pretty easy to explain. You’re newly rich, maybe from crypto or some other investment. You buy cards of players you know.

In fact, Vintage cards are so poorly printed, unless they’re super high grade or pre-war, there’s little to generate interest. One of the cards on that list is a game worn jersey shield 1/1 autographed by Wayne Gretzky.

I remember one year I had a windfall of well over $50k and I blew 90% of that on hockey cases. It never once occurred to me to buy a vintage card. Why? My first collecting was coins. And like coin collecting, it’s dying and the majority of collecting is done by guys born 70s or earlier. With all the hype around modern players with tons of video on YT and games on TV, and the fact the early 90s being the most exciting era of hockey ever, the card collecting base is under 50.

Yeah I agree to an extent. But it's a lot easier to lose money in all these new cards if you hold on to them, as opposed to simply flipping them (See Lafreniere, Kaprizov and hundreds more). And TBH, breaking cases for the most part yields much less than what you put in, it's basically like buying scratch tickets hoping you hit a big one, or playing slot machines. We see the fake You Tube videos of an awesome 1/1 find, yet we don't see the thousand other breaks of simple garbage and a waste of a thousand bucks. Vintage hockey are for holding on to long term and making steady long term growth, basically enjoying them (Although Baseball Vintage is a much better investment). To each their own, I guess I'm more of the thought of buying Berkshire Hathaway stock as opposed to Crypto.

 

[Coffey]

"not a homer"
Are you sure? How can you be so sure?

Seeing as how it’s your single opinion vs several others here, I’m pretty sure.

I even got Satan on my side.

How can he be GOAT of all time when he's not even GOAT season to season?

Quite an embellishment considering not once did I say he’s the goat of all time. This is a sign you’re unhinged and losing the argument.

 

[Rorschach]

Yeah I agree to an extent. But it's a lot easier to lose money in all these new cards if you hold on to them, as opposed to simply flipping them (See Lafreniere, Kaprizov and hundreds more). And TBH, breaking cases for the most part yields much less than what you put in, it's basically like buying scratch tickets hoping you hit a big one, or playing slot machines. We see the fake You Tube videos of an awesome 1/1 find, yet we don't see the thousand other breaks of simple garbage and a waste of a thousand bucks. Vintage hockey are for holding on to long term and making steady long term growth, basically enjoying them (Although Baseball Vintage is a much better investment). To each their own, I guess I'm more of the thought of buying Berkshire Hathaway stock as opposed to Crypto.

No argument there, I'm not justifying what they're doing, just explaining the mechanisms.

But, if you can buy early, in other words if you commit money early and order your cases, it can be quite rewarding.

Just counting hockey, I've broken literally hundreds of cases. I used to post them on Beckett Forums. Between finding very good prices, sticking to core products (I feel like there's only 4 that come out for sure every year) and sticking ONLY to good years or heavily discounted product, it is possible to find your way to high expected value.

One thing I find myself doing is opening the same product over and over, then skipping the next two seasons. Then again, somehow I have ridiculous luck in box openings. I don't have the, open one pack and make back three boxes of value but I have the open 3 cases and get 4 cases of value over many, many cases.

 

[Rorschach]

Seeing as how it’s your single opinion vs several others here, I’m pretty sure.

I even got Satan on my side.


Quite an embellishment considering not once did I say he’s the goat of all time. This is a sign you’re unhinged and losing the argument.

You know GOAT stands for Greatest Of All Time right? And in hockey the general debate is the top 4 and then who is number 5.

By the way you should look up the term "bandwagon fallacy".

 

[Rorschach]

Are we arguing that he's at the level of the big 4 or in the same tier as Evgeni Malkin??

I'm not sure, I'm talking about a hobby GOAT, which usually means a GOAT player but it doesn't always. Sometimes a player can be great but not get recognition for it, like Malkin as you mentioned above.

For example, it's obvious the previous era that is coming to an end, there's a clear top two. But is there a 3 or a 4? Or is it just the top 2? Malkin imo is three as a player but as someone collected, he's not. It might just be those two.