Confirmed with Link: Ho-Sang PTO discussion

[FreeBird]

I said Sandin will start in the minors most likely since he was the worst between him, Lilly and Dermy.

 

[therealkoho]

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The more I think about it what I saw when Ritchie was in the line-up the more I'm convinced he'll have a very short shelf life on Matthews wing

I'm not convinced he has the wheels to get up and down the ice with those guys, or more importantly get to shoot-ins ahead of his check and control the puck and get it off to one of the the guys who'll do most of the scoring.

I really see him on the 3rd line with Kampf and Kase

but who knows at this point there is lot's of camp left

 

[ottomaddox]

The more I think about it what I saw when Ritchie was in the line-up the more I'm convinced he'll have a very short shelf life on Matthews wing

I'm not convinced he has the wheels to get up and down the ice with those guys, or more importantly get to shoot-ins ahead of his check and control the puck and get it off to one of the the guys who'll do most of the scoring.

I really see him on the 3rd line with Kampf and Kase

but who knows at this point there is lot's of camp left

I don't disagree with you, but Thornton spent a good chunk of time with M&M and had the same shortcomings.

 

[LeafParade]

he clearly has chemistry with Bunting. Keep them together the way Montreal did with Suzuki and Caufield. There could be something special there.

Bunting/Tavares/Ho-Sang could end up being an actual line in the end.

 

[IPS]

If his camp continues to go well, I’d be like:

we like what we’ve seen so far Josh. Give us a 2-3 year commitment and we will do everything in our power to help you become the player we both know you can and want to be. We cannot afford to pay you a large amount but we are prepared to give you a 1way deal and opportunity with some of the best players in the league.

If he won’t go for multi year I’d still take the chance on him, but I’d be trying to lock him in for at least a couple on the cheap

I think we should wait until he actually accomplishes anything meaningful before talking about any potential multi year contracts...

 

[Community]

I think we should wait until he actually accomplishes anything meaningful before talking about any potential multi year contracts...

For the Leafs, if it's under ~1m and they think he might become a top 6 player, they would love to sign him for 7yrs.

Now, that's drastic and would be silly for Ho-Sang, but what I mean is that if the contract can be entirely buried in the minors, then there is no reason it can't be a multi-year deal when your the Leafs and can easily afford it financially.


At the end of the day though, I doubt Ho-Sang signs for more than 1 years... unlikely, but MAYBE a 2yr.

 

[fahad203]

For the Leafs, if it's under ~1m and they think he might become a top 6 player, they would love to sign him for 7yrs.

Now, that's drastic and would be silly for Ho-Sang, but what I mean is that if the contract can be entirely buried in the minors, then there is no reason it can't be a multi-year deal when your the Leafs and can easily afford it financially.


At the end of the day though, I doubt Ho-Sang signs for more than 1 years... unlikely, but MAYBE a 2yr.

HS hasn't played full seasons last 3 years. He'll take any contract he can get. Minor league money still good enough money

If he doesn't, he cal always go back to SHL and play full 5 games

 

[therealkoho]

Bunting/Tavares/Ho-Sang could end up being an actual line in the end.

I like it a lot, Bunting and Ho-Sang have been the 3rd and 4th best wingers in camp imho, only Willie and Mitch were more dominant in their appearance

 

[Community]

HS hasn't played full seasons last 3 years. He'll take any contract he can get. Minor league money still good enough money

If he doesn't, he cal always go back to SHL and play full 5 games

I doubt he takes a 7yr contract because it's much better to take a 1-2yr deal. If he doesn't improve, he can probably go to the SHL or KHL for similar money. If he does improve, he can get a massive raise and make 5x what he would on a longterm deal at 1m.

 

[crump]

The more I think about it what I saw when Ritchie was in the line-up the more I'm convinced he'll have a very short shelf life on Matthews wing

I'm not convinced he has the wheels to get up and down the ice with those guys, or more importantly get to shoot-ins ahead of his check and control the puck and get it off to one of the the guys who'll do most of the scoring.

I really see him on the 3rd line with Kampf and Kase

but who knows at this point there is lot's of camp left

I was actually surprised at how well Ritchie been moving considering it’s the start of the season. I was prepared to be underwhelmed but, while he hadn’t scored, he’s been in front of the net ready for tips and rebounds, his bread and butter.

He’s not Mikheyev but he keeps up with the play and clogs things up nicely. Small sample but I like him so far.

 

[Sypher04]

I think we should wait until he actually accomplishes anything meaningful before talking about any potential multi year contracts...

Well I clearly said if he continues to have a good camp. But at league min there’s no risk

 

[Menzinger]

Well I clearly said if he continues to have a good camp. But at league min there’s no risk

It's what I expect to happen. Even if they plan on waiving him after.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

He’s such a good player and it just seems like he should try and pad his stats by playing simpler and just getting it on net or deep. Just a few small changes to his game and he could be an elite point producer. He will probably end up on the Marlies but I doubt it will fix what is needed. So much skill though: incredibly agile and can coral a puck like any top player.

 

[Naster Okan]

How has Ho-Sang looked for you guys? Been loosely following this dude’s career and always hoped for him to get over the hump.

 

[zeke]

How has Ho-Sang looked for you guys? Been loosely following this dude’s career and always hoped for him to get over the hump.

Read the posts before yours.

 

[Rude Dog]

He has easily been one of their most impressive forwards at camp. But Leafs have committed to a lot of guys. Not sure who comes out if he comes in. But based on play he should be in the lineup. Not sure he will fall through waivers

 

[smitty10]

I doubt he takes a 7yr contract because it's much better to take a 1-2yr deal. If he doesn't improve, he can probably go to the SHL or KHL for similar money. If he does improve, he can get a massive raise and make 5x what he would on a longterm deal at 1m.

What?

 

[smitty10]

How has Ho-Sang looked for you guys? Been loosely following this dude’s career and always hoped for him to get over the hump.

He's looked surprisingly good. His skills are very apparent. Most of us had absolutely no expectations for him, but it would appear he's likely to get a contract.

 

[notDatsyuk]

How has Ho-Sang looked for you guys? Been loosely following this dude’s career and always hoped for him to get over the hump.

As usual, he's looking good in preseason.

The true test will come when/if he ends up bottom 6 or Marlies.

 

[NMacrules]

Like he has spoken up about previously, there are teams' who won't give him the time of the day. But even going back to his junior days, he never really engaged in or did anything that was super egregious. All this guy does is have his own unique personality and way of thinking that doesn't quite fall in line with the cookie-cutter mold of what NHL really wants their players to be. Even in his time with the Isles when he wore #66, everyone including players, fans and media gave him shit over it. And he came out to explain that he was wearing it as a tribute to Mario because he was one of his childhood heroes. He wasn't putting on the jersey to disrespect him.

I think Josh Ho-Sang was to the Islanders what Nazem Kadri was to the Maple Leafs. And growing up through the minors after his draft, Kadri got absolutely shit on by the media and even a large chunk of the management. And he had never done anything wrong. He never whined, he never cried, he went down and played his butt off to wait for his next shot. In Kadri's case, the Leafs were terrible when it came to prospect depth and he was inevitably going to get his shot and he stuck it out through the non-sense to become an integral part of the rebuild. In JHS's case, the Isles were winning and there were toys shinier for the fans/media/management.

I've said it in my previous posts in this thread. Ho-Sang's flaw since he was young was that he was head and shoulders above his peer group. And that made him a selfish player who tended to go on solo rushes and hang on to pucks too long because he always thought he was the best option. And that was bound to piss off people as he grew older because this is a team game. I think he has slowly come around to realize that he needs to utilize his teammates to maximize his potential and secure a spot in the pro leagues. With the Isles, it was his inability to pass the puck on time that got him in trouble and subsequently benched. If he can limit his urge to try to be the best option and instead dish it early and often, he will eventually start being the recipient of more plays that run through him and naturally will get more scoring opportunities for himself too. Defensively, he has improved a ton and IMO he's a very competent defensive player who can slot into a top 6.

Good post but you are wrong about Kadri. He did several things wrong. He was late for practice twice and was reprimanded by the team. He was very immature. He did the finger slash across the throat thing in juniors and once in the NHL.

 

[NMacrules]

He has easily been one of their most impressive forwards at camp. But Leafs have committed to a lot of guys. Not sure who comes out if he comes in. But based on play he should be in the lineup. Not sure he will fall through waivers

I'd take him over Mik easily. Ho Sang produces. Mik skates face but has hands that can only be fixed using a chisel.

 

[Mess]

He's looked surprisingly good. His skills are very apparent. Most of us had absolutely no expectations for him, but it would appear he's likely to get a contract.

Ho-Sang always had the skill that is why he was a 1st round draft pick in his draft class going only 20 spots after William Nylander in 2014.

However like a lot of other high-end talented prospect with potential they never reach it because of consistency issues. Alex Galchenyuk a similar example of players that flash on skill for short periods of time, but then as time passes and sample set increases a lot of the shine comes off.

I agree he likely might have shown enough to turn his PTO into and NHL contract, but not sure he is being penciled in to the Leafs roster or more likely ends up in AHL with the Marlies this year, where his progress can be monitored and he is used as organizational depth.

 

[LeafChief]

The Leafs could do worse than having Ho-Sang on the Marlies, ready to go in the event of an injury on the big club. He has NHL skill.

If he can figure out his consistency issues, could be a really god value add for $750k.

 

[crump]

Having him on the Marlies ready to go if a top 6 winger goes down with injury, that would be nice to be able to slot him in. Not sure if there is room to start the season, but he's looked pretty good so far. If he truly appreciates the organization, he'll want to stay close on the Marlies and get a chance during the season.

 

[Community]

What?

Replying to a poster that said Ho-Sang would take "any contract he can get."

Without considering that Toronto is extremely unlikely to offer it, there's no reason for him to sign more than a 2yr contract.... and most likely he will want (and Toronto will offer) a 1 yr deal.

However, if Toronto really thinks he will turn his career around, they could offer a contract under 1m for 3-4yrs with no risk since he can get buried. However, there's no real incentive for Ho-Sang to sign more than a 1-2yr deal (likely 1yr). If he explodes into a top 6 player, he could fetch 5m or whatever as a UFA. If he sucks, he would either spend the rest of his career with the Marlies (if he signed a long-term deal) or he could play overseas and probably get similar $ anyways.


I used the 7yr example just to re-iterate that as long as he signs for under 1m, it doesn't really matter to the Leafs what the term is like since his caphit can be fully buried.


Edit: Just to re-iterate, I fully expect a 1yr league minimum deal to be agreed to and I'm happy with that... Just don't think Ho-Sang is at the point where he would sign anything put in front of him since he's still pretty young.