Confirmed with Link: Ho-Sang PTO discussion

[notDatsyuk]

The powerplay is an area the Leafs struggled with last year. Seems like a good place for him to show his worth.

True, but except for the 2-3 minutes per game on the PP, where does he play?

I haven't seen anything yet that shows he deserves to be in the top six, and he doesn't seem to be the bottom six type.

He may be just what we need, but I haven't seen enough evidence of it yet.

 

[rojac]

I'd be cool with him at 2 years 900K, maybe 950K preferably 2 way contract. At worst, he should be a call up that can skate, that gives back some of the playmaking punch to the Marlies that they lost with Bracco. I'll take Ho-Sang's "issues" (being late and probably kind of annoying) to Bracco's alleged issues (ie. harassing women allegedly, forcing rookies to do drugs allegedly, money scams allegedly).

Why do you prefer a two-way contract? Why do you care how much the Leafs pay him on the Marlies as long as it's under $1.125M (the maximum that can be buried without affecting the NHL cap)?

 

[LeafChief]

True, but except for the 2-3 minutes per game on the PP, where does he play?

I haven't seen anything yet that shows he deserves to be in the top six, and he doesn't seem to be the bottom six type.

He may be just what we need, but I haven't seen enough evidence of it yet.

My personal opinion is that they get him signed to a 1 or 2 year league minimum contract. Assign him to the Marlies and have him ready in the event of an injury.

He's not perfect but he has so much offensive potential that in an injury bind, he could be really helpful.

 

[notDatsyuk]

My personal opinion is that they get him signed to a 1 or 2 year league minimum contract. Assign him to the Marlies and have him ready in the event of an injury.

He's not perfect but he has so much offensive potential that in an injury bind, he could be really helpful.

That's what I'd do, and see how he behaves, compared to his reputation.

 

[mydnyte]

heck offer him a 4 year $4mil deal (1/yr) ...if he has no options, it would be worth the risk, and worse case scenario, he's a forward pp specialist

 

[Morbo]

The powerplay is an area the Leafs struggled with last year. Seems like a good place for him to show his worth.

but it struggled because of poor coaching, not because of talent.

you have the top goalscorer in the game and one of the top assist men in the game, and then throw in Tavares and Nylander on top of that. This should be a top 5 PP no questions asked. Malhotra took gold and turned it into dung last season.

if you give Ho Sang a spot, he has to play at even strength too. To me, that is more where the problem starts.

 

[NMacrules]

Ho Sang has proved that he belongs in the NHL. He has not proven that he deserves a job over Engval, Mikheyev, Brooks, Spezza, Simmonds. Ho Sang has not set himself apart from 9 other bottom 6 guys competing for a job.

If I was to guess the Leafs keep him on a PTO till November, then he gets snatched up by Ottawa, Montreal, Buffalo or another basement dweller.

Disagree. Ho is better than Engvall, Mikheyev, Brooks and Simmonds. Simmonds role serves a purpose though.

 

[SprDaVE]

Ho-Sang has been good but I think he'd probably be better off taking an offer on a rebuilding/retooling team where he can get some real minutes to really shine.

I think he fits on our team in a secondary role but might be tough to displace the current players unless he's willing to work with the Marlies for a couple weeks/months.

 

[Fogelhund]

Disagree. Ho is better than Engvall, Mikheyev, Brooks and Simmonds. Simmonds role serves a purpose though.

Ho Sang might be the most offensively gifted of the five names, but that's where it ends. Engvall and Mikheyev bring utility, solid defensive games to the table too. Brooks being a C has value. A small, defensively weak, non-physical, mostly PP specialist, isn't the biggest need for the Leafs. You have to show more than this. At this point, his game isn't rounded enough to be even neutral 5v5. I do like what I've seen from him though, and hope that he can grow his game on the Marlies, and learn to be a NHL contributor at some point. Engvall and Mik already are those things.

 

[egd27]

I'd be cool with him at 2 years 900K, maybe 950K preferably 2 way contract. At worst, he should be a call up that can skate, that gives back some of the playmaking punch to the Marlies that they lost with Bracco. I'll take Ho-Sang's "issues" (being late and probably kind of annoying) to Bracco's alleged issues (ie. harassing women allegedly, forcing rookies to do drugs allegedly, money scams allegedly).

Why preferably a 2 way contract? 900 or 950k can be fully buried on the Marlies

 

[ULF_55]

Why preferably a 2 way contract? 900 or 950k can be fully buried on the Marlies

Keep him hungry and make him earn it.

All he has to do is work his butt off every game in the AHL and prove he should be in the NHL.

Amadio is on a two-way, Brooks who's worked his tail off is still on a two-way.

Ho-Sang doesn't need a free ride.

 

[egd27]

Keep him hungry and make him earn it.

All he has to do is work his butt off every game in the AHL and prove he should be in the NHL.

Amadio is on a two-way, Brooks who's worked his tail off is still on a two-way.

Ho-Sang doesn't need a free ride.

Sure, but my question was more specifically addressing the amounts the poster suggested and how they would be applied to a 2 way.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Why do you prefer a two-way contract? Why do you care how much the Leafs pay him on the Marlies as long as it's under $1.125M (the maximum that can be buried without affecting the NHL cap)?

2 way is more controllable if he has to go up and down, no waivers unless things are different for guys his age. Not opposed to 1 way, just seems more ideal if he's good enough to get into some games but not quite good enough to stick when the roster is at full health.

 

[Fogelhund]

2 way is more controllable if he has to go up and down, no waivers unless things are different for guys his age. Not opposed to 1 way, just seems more ideal if he's good enough to get into some games but not quite good enough to stick when the roster is at full health.

This isn't true. The difference between one way, and two way, is how you get paid. Two way is two different salaries for each league you play in, one way is one, no matter where you play.

He would have to go through waivers either way.

What's the difference between a one-way and a two-way contract?

 

[LeafChief]

2 way is more controllable if he has to go up and down, no waivers unless things are different for guys his age. Not opposed to 1 way, just seems more ideal if he's good enough to get into some games but not quite good enough to stick when the roster is at full health.

I think that's the way the old rule worked.

The way I understand it, the only thing that differs between a one way and a two way is that on a two way, the player earns less in the AHL.

Waivers works the same for both.

 

[francis246]

If the interest were hot for Ho-Sang, he'd already have an NHL deal from one of these hypothetical clubs.

again not true. The Leafs would have to terminate the PTO for him to sign. We don’t know, maybe after camp he signs elsewhere. The sens or Edmonton could easily try and sign him

 

[NMacrules]

Ho Sang might be the most offensively gifted of the five names, but that's where it ends. Engvall and Mikheyev bring utility, solid defensive games to the table too. Brooks being a C has value. A small, defensively weak, non-physical, mostly PP specialist, isn't the biggest need for the Leafs. You have to show more than this. At this point, his game isn't rounded enough to be even neutral 5v5. I do like what I've seen from him though, and hope that he can grow his game on the Marlies, and learn to be a NHL contributor at some point. Engvall and Mik already are those things.

Come on. Mik? He can't score on a womans team. His hands are made of concrete. And Ho Sang has made an effort to learn his defensive game as quoted by Keefe. And Ho Sang will easily outscore both of them put together. What hurt Ho sang the most was his attitude when he was young. He has matured and I think the Leafs in particular can benefit from having him on the team.

 

[Fogelhund]

Come on. Mik? He can't score on a womans team. His hands are made of concrete. And Ho Sang has made an effort to learn his defensive game as quoted by Keefe. And Ho Sang will easily outscore both of them put together. What hurt Ho sang the most was his attitude when he was young. He has matured and I think the Leafs in particular can benefit from having him on the team.

Nice goal by Mik tonight!! Ho Sang will start with the Marlies.

 

[NMacrules]

Nice goal by Mik tonight!! Ho Sang will start with the Marlies.

Lucky. Seeing eye puck. Plus, its exhibition. During the regular season Mik has shown time and time again he clutches his stick too hard.

 

[SprDaVE]

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