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i have to think they are hoping last nights performance of Engvall makes him attractive to other teams. I think I they try and trade him to make room for Ho-Sang
ULF_55
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I have thought Ho-Sang has been okay, but looks like he needs a lot of work for his overall game. I don't see a great fit on the Leafs unless they're looking at making their bottom 6 more offensive, and are willing to lose out on the penalty kill.
Who is Ho-Sang replacing, it won't be in the top 6.
Agree with this, except I might be a little more positive than just ok. But still needs work and time on the Marlies. The Leafs can offer him a contract and try and send him down, hopefully he signs and doesn't get picked up.
I think he's shown more than Galchenyuk offensively so he could be a huge addition if we could work on a few things on D
Folignos Helmet
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Ideal situation he makes his way to Marlies to start the year and if there is an injury to a top 6 player he gets a crack.
I think we have lots of depth, but not lots of skilled depth except maybe Robertson, so would be good to have a callup who could maybe generate some short term offence, and then who knows.
I think we have lots of depth, but not lots of skilled depth except maybe Robertson, so would be good to have a callup who could maybe generate some short term offence, and then who knows.
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I highly doubt he makes the team the team but I can see him signing to a 1 year 2 way deal for higher AHL money (>$200k) to start the resurrection of his pro career.
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That is the key as Ho-Sang has to be used in an offensive role to be successful, and only really competing for a roster spot against someone in an offensive top 6 role.
He isn't a checker nor grinder nor PKer so he doesn't fit at the bottom 6 of an NHL roster.
This has exactly been his case since draft time, and despite a lot of offensive talent, he has never been good enough to supplant and lock down a top 6 role.
The Leafs might give him a contract but he will most likely play on the Marlies and not Leafs, and this would be done with the premise he could be a injury depth piece in the organization on and emergency basis.
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Top 6/bottom 6 isnt a black and white line anymore. Those days are long gone. He can be a solid add to an offensive 3rd line. I just personally dont think he even replaces anyone in the bottom 6.
As of now I have:
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Mikheyev - Brooks - Spezza
Engvall/Simmonds
He isnt good enough to justify losing any of them, except for maybe Simmonds, to gift him a spot in the bottom 6.
ULF_55
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It would be nice if he signs a two-way with the Leafs and blows the AHL away. He really hasn't done that yet. Rather unimpressive in the A.
I think he's earned a job and a contract, but not a position.
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If Ho-Sang would just give in and accept an NHL career as a support player there is no reason he couldn't grind and check a little bit. What team wouldn't want a 3rd line forward who is defensively responsible, good at turning over the puck on the forecheck and has great hands. For goodness sakes Alex Kerfoot is making $3.5M a year to be this type of player.
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It might make more sense to the Leafs to get him a one way. All that it means is a higher salary in the AHL which could deter other teams from taking a shot on the waiver wire.
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If the interest were hot for Ho-Sang, he'd already have an NHL deal from one of these hypothetical clubs.
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Something something leopard, something something spots. You can't just ask someone to change who they are.
Giving him an AHL contract to be a top line guy on the Marlies would be better than trying to force him to be a forechecking grinder with the Leafs. It won't work. Even if it means another team swoops in with a better offer, at least we're not putting him in a position to fail.
LeafChief
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That's possible.
It's also possible teams are waiting for him to hit waivers. It's also possible that teams have reached out and he wants to give the Leafs first crack.
It's also possible no one wants to sign him (including the Leafs).
There are many possibilities.
Josh had no other options .. he is a good offensive backup option for us on Marlies on a 2-way deal if Mitch goes down with injury .. if he gets claimed by another team (just he won't) then so be it .. there is no real loss at all .. but agree with another poster if he really really wanted to earn a spot in NHL he would start to check and back check hard and be a pest .. but he has never shown that ability since he was 6 .. he thinks of himself as da offensive guru and da game revolves around him
ULF_55
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My concern about giving him a one-way is he should earn it, and you don't do that over a two week stretch in preseason.
If he earns it he'd respect it.
If he's coming to the Leafs with a clean sheet he can't point at some good things he's done in the past because that won't be on that clean sheet he wants. One doesn't get to determine what is on that clean sheet.
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therealkoho
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who knows? Ho-Sang has said he only wanted to play in Toronto as did Bunting, Bunting said he turned down a better contract to sign with his hometown Leafs
I don't think you can say definitively that no other clubs had interest, which is your inference if I'm reading that right!
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I'd be cool with him at 2 years 900K, maybe 950K preferably 2 way contract. At worst, he should be a call up that can skate, that gives back some of the playmaking punch to the Marlies that they lost with Bracco. I'll take Ho-Sang's "issues" (being late and probably kind of annoying) to Bracco's alleged issues (ie. harassing women allegedly, forcing rookies to do drugs allegedly, money scams allegedly).
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Agreed. The only times he has done anything noteworthy in the preseason games is on the powerplay, where the extra time and space has allowed him to pick up all his points (four assists). Aside from that, the only other time I noticed him was when he got crosschecked without the puck, and drew a penalty.
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Ho Sang has proved that he belongs in the NHL. He has not proven that he deserves a job over Engval, Mikheyev, Brooks, Spezza, Simmonds. Ho Sang has not set himself apart from 9 other bottom 6 guys competing for a job.
If I was to guess the Leafs keep him on a PTO till November, then he gets snatched up by Ottawa, Montreal, Buffalo or another basement dweller.
If I was to guess the Leafs keep him on a PTO till November, then he gets snatched up by Ottawa, Montreal, Buffalo or another basement dweller.
LeafChief
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The powerplay is an area the Leafs struggled with last year. Seems like a good place for him to show his worth.
We, should all be m indful, that our pp was terrible last year...
If ho sang can improve it by 25 percent, how do you not find a spot for him on the main club...
If ho sang can improve it by 25 percent, how do you not find a spot for him on the main club...
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