Hearing for Torres on Stoll hit (Thurs 9am PT, NYC; w/DW); out for rest of WCSF

[Alwalys]

so they can sacrifice their well being for your entertainment? nice.

Like any other host of sports, NFL football, especially auto racing, etc. A big part of the reason these things are entertaining is they are intense and often dangerous. Low-intensity, safe sports can be done by anyone for free.

 

[HockeyCA]

I think some of you need to read the actual rule as defined by the NHL:

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.

Watching the play, it is clear that Stoll's head was targeted. You can see Torres leaning up and into Stoll's upper body. Anyone who has actually played hockey would know that in a situation where you are coming from the opponents side, there is a VERY good chance that contact with the head will result. That is what, in my opinion, makes this hit so much worse. Torres not only came from Stoll's side to deliver a hit, but he also leaned up and into stoll's upper body/head area. This will be a LENGTHY suspension, no doubt. We are talking more like 25-30 games. This guy is the definition of a HEAD HUNTER.

 

[Alwalys]

I think some of you need to read the actual rule as defined by the NHL:

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.

Watching the play, it is clear that Stoll's head was targeted. You can see Torres leaning up and into Stoll's upper body. Anyone who has actually played hockey would know that in a situation where you are coming from the opponents side, there is a VERY good chance that contact with the head will result. That is what, in my opinion, makes this hit so much worse. Torres not only came from Stoll's side to deliver a hit, but he also leaned up and into stoll's upper body/head area. This will be a LENGTHY suspension, no doubt. We are talking more like 25-30 games. This guy is the definition of a HEAD HUNTER.

Watching the play clearly shows he did NOT target the head. He is CLEARLY targeting the shoulder. So by the strict rule, this is not even a penalty. That's why this is complete *********.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

And it is really hard to fault him for doing so. I'm pretty sure that the coaches have told him during games and before this series that they need him to make big (clean) hits, and that is one of the main reasons he is on the team.

Yup. He makes the other team uncomfortable. To borrow a Harbaugh phrase...he gives the team "contact courage".

 

[HockeyCA]

Watching the play clearly shows he did NOT target the head. He is CLEARLY targeting the shoulder. So by the strict rule, this is not even a penalty. That's why this is complete *********.

If he was targeting Stoll's shoulder, then why did almost all of the contact occur to Stoll's head? Your argument makes no sense.

 

[Bizz]

Watching the play, it is clear that Stoll's head was targeted.

Wrong.

You can see Torres leaning up and into Stoll's upper body.

Wrong.

Anyone who has actually played hockey would know that in a situation where you are coming from the opponents side, there is a VERY good chance that contact with the head will result.

As with every other hit in every other hockey game. Yet if Raffi Does it ZOMG30GAMES, 30!!!!11!!

That is what, in my opinion, makes this hit so much worse. Torres not only came from Stoll's side to deliver a hit, but he also leaned up and into stoll's upper body/head area. This will be a LENGTHY suspension, no doubt. We are talking more like 25-30 games. This guy is the definition of a HEAD HUNTER.

And, dead wrong.

Try again.

 

[KT]

Absolutely a clean shoulder hit. Any head contact, IF any, was purely incidental. Heads jerk from hard shoulder hits, they don't need contact to do that.

There is nothing, I repeat nothing, in that video that proves ANY head contact at all. Pure speculation.

 

[Alwalys]

If he was targeting Stoll's shoulder, then why did almost all of the contact occur to Stoll's head? Your argument makes no sense.

Most of the contact was to Stoll's chest and shoulder(s).

 

[Gene Parmesan]

If he was targeting Stoll's shoulder, then why did almost all of the contact occur to Stoll's head? Your argument makes no sense.

Because he hit his shoulder first before the head contact.

 

[HockeyCA]

Wrong.



Wrong.



As with every other hit in every other hockey game. Yet if Raffi Does it ZOMG30GAMES, 30!!!!11!!



And, dead wrong.

Try again.

I think you lost all credibility when you disagreed that Torres is a head hunter. That is a proven fact, whether you are a fan of the team he plays on or not. How many suspensions has he now garnered from the NHL? According to your logic, however, he is some victim. Nonsense.

 

[slocal]

Dear Kings fans,

Remember that you are not on a neutral board anymore. Anything that remotely looks like trolling or baiting will result in a threadban and/or infraction. Our fans will, for the most part, defend our players. Understand that. You are more than welcome to debate, but do so in a manner that respects the Sharks' fanbase.

Cheers.

 

[Coily]

I think some of you need to read the actual rule as defined by the NHL:

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.

Watching the play, it is clear that Stoll's head was targeted. You can see Torres leaning up and into Stoll's upper body. Anyone who has actually played hockey would know that in a situation where you are coming from the opponents side, there is a VERY good chance that contact with the head will result. That is what, in my opinion, makes this hit so much worse. Torres not only came from Stoll's side to deliver a hit, but he also leaned up and into stoll's upper body/head area. This will be a LENGTHY suspension, no doubt. We are talking more like 25-30 games. This guy is the definition of a HEAD HUNTER.

25-30 games.

 

[Bizz]

I think you lost all credibility when you disagreed that Torres is a head hunter. That is a proven fact, whether you are a fan of the team he plays on or not. How many suspensions has he now garnered from the NHL? According to your logic, however, he is some victim. Nonsense.

So by your logic, because of his past history, he should be getting suspended EHRMEGERD25GAEMSMINIMUM every time he commits a tripping or hooking penalty. This isn't women's hockey, buddy.

 

[HockeyCA]

Most of the contact was to Stoll's chest and shoulder(s).

You can clearly see Torres lean up and into Stoll's head. I am not sure how you can deny that, even if you are a sharks fan. He saw that Stoll's head was there, and he leaned into it. We can go back and forth subjectively on what we think, but the video does not lie. Torres is not some kind of over-persecuted victim. People say he was targeting the head area because that is what he has done throughout his career. Those kind of reputations are EARNED.

 

[Hatrick Marleau]

I think you lost all credibility when you disagreed that Torres is a head hunter. That is a proven fact, whether you are a fan of the team he plays on or not. How many suspensions has he now garnered from the NHL? According to your logic, however, he is some victim. Nonsense.

No he didn't say that. He said no to that it will be a lengthy suspension and that Torres was targeting the head. Sharks fans would be the last to stay that he hasn't hunted heads. He has our playoff runs twice with one really dirty headshot on Michalek.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

25-30 games.

Stephen A has made an appearance.

 

[HockeyCA]

Dear Kings fans,

Remember that you are not on a neutral board anymore. Anything that remotely looks like trolling or baiting will result in a threadban and/or infraction. Our fans will, for the most part, defend our players. Understand that. You are more than welcome to debate, but do so in a manner that respects the Sharks' fanbase.

Cheers.

Does this mean that I am not allowed to defend my position? I would think that Sharks fans would want to actually have a debate about this with fans from other teams, otherwise it is just wah wah wah, the NHL hates us. Am I right?

 

[NWShark*]

I think some of you need to read the actual rule as defined by the NHL:

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.

Watching the play, it is clear that Stoll's head was targeted. You can see Torres leaning up and into Stoll's upper body. Anyone who has actually played hockey would know that in a situation where you are coming from the opponents side, there is a VERY good chance that contact with the head will result. That is what, in my opinion, makes this hit so much worse. Torres not only came from Stoll's side to deliver a hit, but he also leaned up and into stoll's upper body/head area. This will be a LENGTHY suspension, no doubt. We are talking more like 25-30 games. This guy is the definition of a HEAD HUNTER.

********. He hits into the shoulder and slides under. No way you can say the head was targeted there. Sorry, you like a few others here are wrong.

 

[masterofallxix]

If he was targeting Stoll's shoulder, then why did almost all of the contact occur to Stoll's head? Your argument makes no sense.

It's called whiplash. The actual INITIAL point of contact was the shoulder. That's all that matters here. The rule you posted says the 'principle point of contact.' principle point means the first place that was hit/touched by torres. it's pretty clear that the shoulder was the principle point of contact. granted there may have been some contact with stoll's helmet after that principle point of contact, but if he hit the shoulder first like the video shows he does, then it means he wasn't targeting the head by definition. also there's no conclusive evidence that he even did hit stoll's helmet. striking stoll's shoulder in that kind of angle could very easily cause his head/neck to whip the way it did.

if this were a court room, torres would be found not guilty. theres no CONCLUSIVE evidence that torres' principle point of contact was stoll's head, and since theres no conclusive evidence he should be found 'not guilty' since you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. haha. If Shanahan has ANY debate whatsoever then to me that's not conclusive evidence at all.

 

[Nighthock]

25-30 games.

 

[Hatrick Marleau]

You can clearly see Torres lean up and into Stoll's head. I am not sure how you can deny that, even if you are a sharks fan. He saw that Stoll's head was there, and he leaned into it. We can go back and forth subjectively on what we think, but the video does not lie. Torres is not some kind of over-persecuted victim. People say he was targeting the head area because that is what he has done throughout his career. Those kind of reputations are EARNED.

@andystrickland: Majority of Hockey people I talked to say Torres isn't worthy of suspension #NHL #Sharks #Kings http://t.co/1Er1PFpitA

 

[HockeyCA]

No he didn't say that. He said no to that it will be a lengthy suspension and that Torres was targeting the head. Sharks fans would be the last to stay that he hasn't hunted heads. He has our playoff runs twice with one really dirty headshot on Michalek.

So when the debate is about a supposed "subjective" analysis about what the player intended, obviously we should take into account his prior actions in order to determine whether a specific area of the body was targeted, correct?

 

[slocal]

Does this mean that I am not allowed to defend my position? I would think that Sharks fans would want to actually have a debate about this with fans from other teams, otherwise it is just wah wah wah, the NHL hates us. Am I right?

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1430161

That's the main thread for this topic on a neutral board. You're more than welcome to try over there. Do not expect people to here to receive you too well when you're wishing for one of their players to be booted for a long time.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Does this mean that I am not allowed to defend my position? I would think that Sharks fans would want to actually have a debate about this with fans from other teams, otherwise it is just wah wah wah, the NHL hates us. Am I right?

The only one whining is you.

 

[NWShark*]

If he was targeting Stoll's shoulder, then why did almost all of the contact occur to Stoll's head? Your argument makes no sense.

Dude what are you even looking at? All the contact was on the shoulder and arm. Stills head possibly bounces off Torres back but there's now way in hell that the principal point of contact.