Confirmed with Link: Pens trade Eller to Washington

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Everyone keeps saying if you fire Sullivan then you gotta just find another Sullivan.

But isn't that why they hired Dave Quinn? I mean... I sure can't think of any other GOOD reasons, so...

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Sarah would be our best left wing.

Yeah but looks aren't everything.

I'm fully expecting the Pettersson trade to be something like Pettersson to Vancouver for Elias Pettersson (defenseman) and a 2026 2nd, with Dubas noting that Elias is a near NHL ready contributor that will slide into Pettersson's old role.

It's a deal that isn't necessarily "bad" but is so underwhelming that it just aligns with the rest of his moves. Just thorough meh.

I would be all over this. I like Elias Pettersson's game. He is the anti-Matt Grz. Exactly what guys like Karlsson and Letang need.

If we could get a 2025 second-rounder, of which we do not currently have, and a solid prospect D like Pettersson, he should definitely take the deal.

Everyone keeps saying if you fire Sullivan then you gotta just find another Sullivan.

But isn't that why they hired Dave Quinn? I mean... I sure can't think of any other GOOD reasons, so...

If you are suggesting replacing Sullivan with Quinn, just move it along there BWM!

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If you are suggesting replacing Sullivan with Quinn, just move it along there BWM!

Well I mean that would be like replacing fleas with ticks but I was more referring to how they are both equally awful and also look a lot alike.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I would be all over this. I like Elias Pettersson's game. He is the anti-Matt Grz. Exactly what guys like Karlsson and Letang need.

If we could get a 2025 second-rounder, of which we do not currently have, and a solid prospect D like Pettersson, he should definitely take the deal.

Yeah I like what I've read about Pettersson, my point wasn't to say that was a bad deal. It's just meh. It's the same thing as the Guentzel deal, just a pretty meh overall deal that has quantity over quality.

Add on Soucy to make the cap work and replace Pettersson in the short term and I can totally see that deal happening. It's not bad but it's just so meh.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't really even care if they fire Sullivan tonight or on April 18th after the regular season is over tbh. Just don't let him stick around to have any influence on the draft, FA, or off-season trades.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Yeah I like what I've read about Pettersson, my point wasn't to say that was a bad deal. It's just meh. It's the same thing as the Guentzel deal, just a pretty meh overall deal that has quantity over quality.

Add on Soucy to make the cap work and replace Pettersson in the short term and I can totally see that deal happening. It's not bad but it's just so meh.

I would doubt Soucy would be involved in such a deal.

 

[Freeptop]

Most especially, with the logic, why the f*** did they not trade Rust dumb ass last year?

Given the full NMC Rust has through this season, I guarantee everyone would have complained about any return the Pens could have gotten for Rust last year, as Rust would have full control over where he got traded to.

The time to trade Rust will be this summer, when his NMC goes away. (Not saying the Pens will do that, just saying that's the timeframe to do so if you want the best possible return).

 

[Ryder71]

Without retention this was a good return. We'll have more flexibility to take on a salary at the deadline. A 3rd in '27 and a high 5th is solid.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Looking beyond this trade, what is important is looking at the big picture.

Pens are adding quantity of picks over the coming few years.

Up until now, they have eight extra picks in the next three years, and they are nowhere near done.

With the assets added for Eller, the Penguins have 10 selections in the 2025 and 2027 NHL Drafts and nine in 2026. As of now, they have three first- and four second-round picks over the next three years.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5918594/2024/11/12/penguins-capitals-lars-eller-trade/

That is what rebuilding teams do. The hit rate on picks is low, especially after the first five or so picks in the first round. So, you stockpile picks to rebuild.

 

[deakka]

We need to ditch a golie. Murashov (which I hold as a better prospect than Blomqvist) is currently rotting away in wheeling

 

[HandshakeLine]

Given the full NMC Rust has through this season, I guarantee everyone would have complained about any return the Pens could have gotten for Rust last year, as Rust would have full control over where he got traded to.

The time to trade Rust will be this summer, when his NMC goes away. (Not saying the Pens will do that, just saying that's the timeframe to do so if you want the best possible return).

The time to trade Rust was two contracts ago.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Given the full NMC Rust has through this season, I guarantee everyone would have complained about any return the Pens could have gotten for Rust last year, as Rust would have full control over where he got traded to.

The time to trade Rust will be this summer, when his NMC goes away. (Not saying the Pens will do that, just saying that's the timeframe to do so if you want the best possible return).

The time to trade Rust was before he signed his current deal, imo. The next best time to trade him is July 1st once his NTC drops, and after the dust settles and teams inevitably strike out on signing their guys.

 

[Freeptop]

The time to trade Rust was two contracts ago.

The time to trade Rust was before he signed his current deal, imo. The next best time to trade him is July 1st once his NTC drops, and after the dust settles and teams inevitably strike out on signing their guys.

Given that I'm pretty sure the Pens don't have a time machine, or else we'd all be watching Mario, Jagr and Crosby playing in their primes together, then I'm afraid trading him before the current contract isn't an option any more.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Everyone keeps saying if you fire Sullivan then you gotta just find another Sullivan.

But isn't that why they hired Dave Quinn? I mean... I sure can't think of any other GOOD reasons, so...

I hate when blokes use that like "Oh but if you fire Mike Sullivan, you won't find another Mike Sullivan" and completely miss what that whole saying should mean.

The Penguins fired Therrien and found a Dan Bylsma, if you fire a Dan Bylsma, you're looking for another Dan Bylsma - same shit. You're just looking for the next new coach that had an incredibly positive impact on the team and made the right changes. Mike Johnston was the outlier there, lol. But even when Edzo was fired, you get Therrien, then Therrien wore out his welcome and you got Disco, etc etc you get Sullivan. So the next "Mike Sullivan" is quite literally any new coach.

Because Dan was just a rookie coach in WBS, Sullivan was just a sucker fish to Torts from Tampa, NY, and Vancouver after his years with the Hawks and then was in WBS and got the gig. Neither of those two were some insane up and coming can't miss coaches, they were maybe going to build towards it with more time, but 24 & 54 games for each in WBS before they got the job. Dan was more interesting because he had zero head coaching experience, he was an Assistant in the AHL and then finally got the WBS job after 3yrs as an Assistant with the 1 with the Ducks farm and 2 with WBS (behind Todd Richards - Assistant in Nashville now).

Todd Nelson could be the next "Mike Sullivan."

Meanwhile Mike Sullivan has been doing his Year 2 shtick in Boston for parts of the last 7 seasons in Pittsburgh.

 

[Fiji Water]

It's depressing watching the Caps successfully rebuild on the fly with a new coach and then see what the Pens are doing. Crosby and Malkin are still good enough to get it done, but incompetent roster mgmt and blind loyalty to a coach long past his expiration has completely cratered the team

 

[Honour Over Glory]

The time to trade Rust was two contracts ago.

I wanted Rust traded 2 summers ago. That would have been the best time, this past summer would have been the time you could still move him without having to retain or add much. Right now unless there are the same teams that wanted Rust back then, that still do now, you might have to add or get a 3rd team involved to retain salary or take back a bad contract that isn't a rental (like another Hayes type of situation).

Contenders would still want him for his playoff performances, he hasn't been in one in 2yrs and as much as Rust is a Sullivan glazer galore, I think even he wants to play in the playoffs so he might waive to a team that wants him and is a perennial playoff team, well compared to whatever future the Pens have right now anyway. I thought the Avs would have made sense but they got Lehkonen back and Nichushkin is set to return after this weekend if he's cleared, but their right side could still use someone like Rust.

This was their line-up vs the Preds.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856148907736346717

Dubas needs to be smart because if Nashville keeps tanking, they will also be a big seller and whatever ideas of decent returns he has in his pea brain, will become less if he's not shopping his wares a little harder on the market. I'd probably aim for that Rangers 2nd and two prospects from the Avs.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

It's depressing watching the Caps successfully rebuild on the fly with a new coach and then see what the Pens are doing. Crosby and Malkin are still good enough to get it done, but incompetent roster mgmt and blind loyalty to a coach long past his expiration has completely cratered the team

It sucked to hear Geno having to say basically "please don't trade me" with his comments about not wanting to be traded, didn't care if they win or lose, he's in for the ride wherever it goes with this shit show.

I see the Dallas Stars as a way to keep the 2 old guard and surround them with youth, you don't need Sid to be the top player in that situation like the Stars don't need Benn and Seguin to be top line players anymore, they just need them to lead and still produce at a respectable rate.

 

[Gurglesons]

It's depressing watching the Caps successfully rebuild on the fly with a new coach and then see what the Pens are doing. Crosby and Malkin are still good enough to get it done, but incompetent roster mgmt and blind loyalty to a coach long past his expiration has completely cratered the team

Yeah, this is truly the piece from the “x generation” that gets lost largely because it was before the 01 run.

Pens look like a Donald Duck franchise.

 

[BusinessGoose]

It sucked to hear Geno having to say basically "please don't trade me" with his comments about not wanting to be traded, didn't care if they win or lose, he's in for the ride wherever it goes with this shit show.

That's exactly how I read it too

Which could only mean Dubas has brought it up to him

 

[HandshakeLine]

Given that I'm pretty sure the Pens don't have a time machine, or else we'd all be watching Mario, Jagr and Crosby playing in their primes together, then I'm afraid trading him before the current contract isn't an option any more.

While I know that there is no way Rust is getting moved for anything valuable now. That is the point.

I cannot think of a player I hate watching on the ice more than Rust atm. I’ve watched far worse players but man, if I don’t hate watching Rust float around, especially with the companying bleating of fans and coaches going on about how key he is.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

That's exactly how I read it too

Which could only mean Dubas has brought it up to him

Can this garbage franchise leave f***ing Geno alone.

While I know that there is no way Rust is getting moved for anything valuable now. That is the point.

I cannot think of a player I hate watching on the ice more than Rust atm. I’ve watched far worse players but man, if I don’t hate watching Rust float around, especially with the companying bleating of fans and coaches going on about how key he is.

Rust is just so f***ing cocky for someone in a situation where he has no f***ing reason to be. It's like you know he knows that you know he's protected.

 

[MeinerEiner]

Can this garbage franchise leave f***ing Geno alone.


Rust is just so f***ing cocky for someone in a situation where he has no f***ing reason to be. It's like you know he knows that you know he's protected.

Geno has full control over his situation. There will be no trade unless he agrees to be traded. I think Geno wants to say that he doesn’t want players like Rust, Tanger, Karlsson etc. to be dangled/traded. These guys are his friends and he wants to play with them until retirement.

 

[EliteGoaltending]

It's depressing watching the Caps successfully rebuild on the fly with a new coach and then see what the Pens are doing. Crosby and Malkin are still good enough to get it done, but incompetent roster mgmt and blind loyalty to a coach long past his expiration has completely cratered the team

Precisely.

I believe getting into playoffs streak would never ended in Sid and Geno era, if they'd let go Sullivan years ago.
They somehow can drag through a shitty roster, but not a shitty coach or both.

Pens management/coaching also been so bad with picking and developing prospects.