Has Dubas failed at his job?

[AllDay28]

Two months later and you guys are still complaining? Hope you folks enjoyed your summer

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I meant how much did he expect the cap to inflate in two years, and where did he expect 3 of the top 7 salaries to be relative to the cap in such a short time?

The COVID excuse is a poor one because every team is in the same situation.

My mistake. Well the cap has shown steady growth pretty much every year by about 2M. Having the Covid shutdown effecting it, I wouldn't say its a poor excuse because it was expected to rise to 84-88M which is a huge step up from 81.5M. Nobody was predicting a flat cap. We can say it was poor cap allocation by giving 50% of the cap to 4 forwards, sure. We also had 3 budding superstars all come up for contract in a 1 year span as well as the biggest free agent since Scott Niedermayer fall into our lap. Not many teams are in that same position.

Every team has to deal with the flat cap yes, but not every team is in the same situation in their timeline either (as mentioned above). Other contenders are up against the cap and losing good players as well. If you compare to say a team like Colorado who is another contender full of young talent. What is going to happen to them when Kuemper and Mackinnon's contract is up? As well as paying the likes of their up and coming youth in Newhook, Kaut, Byram etc. They are going to end up losing good players as well. They already almost lost Landeskog this year and lost Grubauer

 

[ToneDog]

Zero playoff wins in 3 years, no cap space, little forward depth, no true #1 goalie, a couple of draft picks last year and next year, allows Hyman and probably Rielly to walk for nothing. If that is not failing at your job, what is ??

 

[Dekes For Days]

even without a flat cap these deals were still above market

They weren't though.

Dubas failed the day Tavares was signed and he continues to fail because you simply can't build a solid well rounded team with 3 11 million dollar players.

Except we have built a solid, well-rounded team. Solid offensively, defensively, and in goal.

 

[supermann_98]

For me it boils down to this...

Prior to the Tavares signing I saw a team on the rise/big time promise and all that was missing was some solid D to set them up for long term success. I admit Tavares was exciting but knew it was the wrong decision / direction knowing the D was critical and two key contracts to be finalized.

Dubas failed the day Tavares was signed and he continues to fail because you simply can't build a solid well rounded team with 3 11 million dollar players. Adding cast offs and end of career players is simply holding on not moving forward.

His next big failure will come the time Marner/Matthews contracts are up and when the very soon to be Tavares contract nightmare hit's the team.

This is truly scary to think about.

 

[The Masters]

Dubas musta schmoozed Shanny when he chose to move on from Lou and hire Dubas.

It definitely has not gone to plan so far.

- Mismanaged the cap and overpaid for 4 players (who are all 1 way guys)
- No real #1 goalie ( we will see how campbell performs in a regular 82 game season)
- awful bottom 6

and I think the biggest blunder of them all is hiring Keefe. He's shown now in 2 straight playoff series, he's in way over his head. Awful coach imo.

 

[hotpaws]

They weren't though.

Except we have built a solid, well-rounded team. Solid offensively, defensively, and in goal.

yes they were above market and your the only one who believes they weren't without providing any comparables to back up your claim

we have a team that'll be life and death to make the playoffs then Dubas will be kicked to the curb at the end of this season f not sooner

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Two months later and you guys are still complaining? Hope you folks enjoyed your summer

We have every single right to complain. I think I can speak on behalf of a lot of people when I say that I am still absolutely disgusted with how last season finished, and being completely capped out and not getting better this offseason, we have every right to complain. Only the true fans of this team are still complaining and still as disgusted as I am because we are the ones who actually want a team to be proud of. This team is far from a team to be proud of.

 

[Metroid]

The Dubasites are far, far worse. The Dubasites believe Dubass can do no wrong and make excuse after excuse after excuse for this team's lack of success. The non Dubasites base their opinions on facts and actually watch hockey knowing that championships are in no way won by analytics and this per 60 and that per 60. That's all garbage, Dubass and Chayka have painfully proved that. Pushing Sweet Lou out the door was the biggest mistake ever. He'd never fall for this analytic GARBAGE and look at his team. Going to the conference finals yearly now with a team that has a quarter of the talent that this team has. Only GM to win GM of the year award twice. Just goes to show you. DUBASS-18 is a deadly disease my friend, don't test positive for it.

both sides are just as annoying to me. think what you want, but you're obviously biased to one side only. us grey people know whats up.

 

[ToneDog]

We have every single right to complain. I think I can speak on behalf of a lot of people when I say that I am still absolutely disgusted with how last season finished, and being completely capped out and not getting better this offseason, we have every right to complain. Only the true fans of this team are still complaining and still as disgusted as I am because we are the ones who actually want a team to be proud of. This team is far from a team to be proud of.

This.

 

[Dekes For Days]

yes they above market and your the only one who believes they weren't without providing any comparables to back up your claim
we have a team that'll be life and death to make the playoffs then Dubas will be kicked to the curb at the end of this season f not sooner

They were not above market value and I have shown that repeatedly with countless comparables, past and present. They align very well with the overwhelming majority of high-end post-ELC contracts in the cap era. The issue is that you dismiss literally every consideration that isn't raw points.
We have a team that, barring catastrophic injuries, will easily make the playoffs. Dubas will likely be here for quite a while.

 

[fahad203]

Zero playoff wins in 3 years, no cap space, little forward depth, no true #1 goalie, a couple of draft picks last year and next year, allows Hyman and probably Rielly to walk for nothing. If that is not failing at your job, what is ??

Solution is a very simple one. Just sign Marie Philip-Poulin

My god is she clutch

 

[ULF_55]

Next poll should be which player has contributed most to the results of this poll? Andersen, Campbell, Matthews, Tavares, marner, Nylander, Rielly, Keefe?

 

[DarkKnight]

To be fair, player agents think he’s doing an amazing job.

 

[ACC1224]

To be fair, player agents think he’s doing an amazing job.

True enough. Wonder which Agents are posting here?

 

[ToneDog]

Solution is a very simple one. Just sign Marie Philip-Poulin

My god is she clutch

Well that is a league we have not exploited and we are trail blazers.

Pretty sure we can get Daoust (best forward), Poulin (Captain Clutch) and Spooner (all-star) for under $3m.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

#FireDubass #FireShanaSCAM

 

[ULF_55]

The Dubasites are far, far worse. The Dubasites believe Dubass can do no wrong and make excuse after excuse after excuse for this team's lack of success. The non Dubasites base their opinions on facts and actually watch hockey knowing that championships are in no way won by analytics and this per 60 and that per 60. That's all garbage, Dubass and Chayka have painfully proved that. Pushing Sweet Lou out the door was the biggest mistake ever. He'd never fall for this analytic GARBAGE and look at his team. Going to the conference finals yearly now with a team that has a quarter of the talent that this team has. Only GM to win GM of the year award twice. Just goes to show you. DUBASS-18 is a deadly disease my friend, don't test positive for it.

No, extremes are extremes.

There are some here who do dislike Dubas but accept he has done some good, and some who like Dubas and accept he has made some mistakes.

Then there are others who don't care about results they love him or hate him.

Is this a talentless team? Not by any stretch of the imagination! So why is that talent unable to overcome adversity?

If you have a team of talented players that cannot overcome adversity, do you change management or do you change the talent?

 

[ACC1224]

No, extremes are extremes.

There are some here who do dislike Dubas but accept he has done some good, and some who like Dubas and accept he has made some mistakes.

Then there are others who don't care about results they love him or hate him.

Is this a talentless team? Not by any stretch of the imagination! So why is that talent unable to overcome adversity?

If you have a team of talented players that cannot overcome adversity, do you change management or do you change the talent?

Bigger question, do you trust this management to change the talent?

 

[DarkKnight]

True enough. Wonder which Agents are posting here?

Wonder if you get a bonus for expected goal thresholds?

 

[SnizzNasty88]

No, extremes are extremes.

There are some here who do dislike Dubas but accept he has done some good, and some who like Dubas and accept he has made some mistakes.

Then there are others who don't care about results they love him or hate him.

Is this a talentless team? Not by any stretch of the imagination! So why is that talent unable to overcome adversity?

If you have a team of talented players that cannot overcome adversity, do you change management or do you change the talent?

Adversity? ADVERSITY? You think this team has gone through adversity? Let me let you in on something my friend, choking in the first round year after year is not adversity. Going on deep playoff runs playing through a sprained ankle, or a broken finger or cracked ribs, not being 100% but still battling, that's adversity. This isn't adversity, it's just downright pathetic, and it starts with the CULTURE that the president and GM instill into the team. You think if Sweet Lou was still here and not pushed out the door that we would have lost 5 straight first round series? Not a f***ing chance. The problems go beyond Dubass (he's created most of them) but it begins with Dubass and Shanascam, these guys are ruining the team before our very eyes. Only in Toronto does management shit the bed with elite young talent.

 

[4thline]

They're just looking to get a rise out of people. .

And the child posting lame puns isn't?

 

[hotpaws]

They were not above market value and I have shown that repeatedly with countless comparables, past and present. They align very well with the overwhelming majority of high-end post-ELC contracts in the cap era. The issue is that you dismiss literally every consideration that isn't raw points.
We have a team that, barring catastrophic injuries, will easily make the playoffs. Dubas will likely be here for quite a while.

yea your previous comparables are that Marner was worth 2m more than Kane and that we should ignore every player signed and go back 15years to use Malkin as a comp for Mathews , lol

we have a team that will struggle to make the playoffs like team that missed 2 yrs ago and Dubas will be gone and the next GM will have a hell of time trying to clean up the mess he left

 

[ULF_55]

Bigger question, do you trust this management to change the talent?

IMO they have only made one big deal, Tavares.

I don't really think there is a large body of work to evaluate, middling players aren't tells.

Will he fire Keefe?
Will he trade a big piece?

Those would be tells.

 

[hotpaws]

To be fair, player agents think he’s doing an amazing job.

as do Hab and Bruins fans