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Has Dubas failed at his job?

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Has Dubas failed at his job

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Sniper99 said:
I dont think hes "One of the worst GM's" anymore. Probably THEE worst at this point.

gets fleeced at contract negotiation time. Promised Nylander he wouldnt trade him if he re-signed. Cute.
Trades 1st's for guys that are gone at end of season or are injury prone

Oh but hey hes good with analytics.
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You know what honestly, I agree

I absolutely hate Kyle Dubass as a GM with every inch of my body. He’s an absolute joke of a GM and isn’t even well respected amongst other GMs and agents, you can tell too. The amount of terrible moves he’s made while accomplishing jack all is disgusting given the team he inherited. It’s funny too when these Dubasites try to defend him. News flash Dubasites, we’re never ever winning a thing with Dubass at the helm and especially with that other fraud Shanascam too. My God what a joke this management is…meanwhile Leafs ‘fans’ continue to have this arrogant attitude of being so accomplished and being smarter than everyone else just like the fraud GM…and then they wonder why everyone hates Leafs fans…
 
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Sniper99 said:
I dont think hes "One of the worst GM's" anymore. Probably THEE worst at this point.

gets fleeced at contract negotiation time. Promised Nylander he wouldnt trade him if he re-signed. Cute.
Trades 1st's for guys that are gone at end of season or are injury prone

Oh but hey hes good with analytics.
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lol
 
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sparxx87 said:
Exactly. An example would be all these 8-9M contracts for D men would likely be 10-11M. Reilly’s agent is asking for 10-11, not 8-9.

People keep talking about the cap inflating but Marner and Matthews got 5 and 6 year deals. An organization needs to go 8 years to really get value at the back end when they go so high on cap dollars. Those 3 $11M contracts are all top 10 in the league… Where did they expect them to be in 3 years?
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Well 2 of the 3 were top 5 in league scoring. Im guessing that they expected them to be tops in league scoring. All that doesn't matter if they don't start showing up in the playoffs though.
 
they wont be improved this year so yes he has failed but it starts at the top with Shanahan who should be removed as President along with both Dubas and Keith....if I was MLSE I go out and hire George McPhee as next President and GM of this team. time to take this team in a new direction
 
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The CyNick said:
I don't think Covid should ever be used as an excuse. It's the same issue for every team.
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Absolutely. Many teams had similar issues. Even without Covid, nobody forced Dubas to be absolutely at the cap line to the point where you have zero wiggle room.

As much as many of us mock him, I was thinking about it and comparing recent Leafs management with Marc Bergevin. Almost everyone can't stand him, and he does some things that seem confounding - but it's hard to argue that he hasn't been more successful. He frequently has teams not spending right to the cap, which he's been criticized for but has also left him flexibility. If Bergevin is a bad GM (many would agree this is the case), what is Kyle Dubas?

Given all that, I still voted NO in the poll, only because things could still work out. I don't think they will, but nobody knows for sure.
 
acrobaticgoalie said:
Well 2 of the 3 were top 5 in league scoring. Im guessing that they expected them to be tops in league scoring. All that doesn't matter if they don't start showing up in the playoffs though.
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They showed up in the playoffs under Babcock. Our current buffoon coach doesn’t even line match
 
SnizzNasty16 said:
You know what honestly, I agree

I absolutely hate Kyle Dubass as a GM with every inch of my body. He’s an absolute joke of a GM and isn’t even well respected amongst other GMs and agents, you can tell too. The amount of terrible moves he’s made while accomplishing jack all is disgusting given the team he inherited. It’s funny too when these Dubasites try to defend him. News flash Dubasites, we’re never ever winning a thing with Dubass at the helm and especially with that other fraud Shanascam too. My God what a joke this management is…meanwhile Leafs ‘fans’ continue to have this arrogant attitude of being so accomplished and being smarter than everyone else just like the fraud GM…and then they wonder why everyone hates Leafs fans…
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The Dubasites are no worse or better than the captious Dubie Downers.
 
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Leaf Fans said:
The Dubasites are no worse or better than the Dubie Downers.
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except that the Debbie Downer's/Sour Suzy's/Pouting Paula's are basing there opinion's on fact unlike Dubie's peeps who just lub him for god knows what reason , i'll guess they mistakenly believe it's their duty as Leaf fans to support there GM until the bitter end , lol
 
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acrobaticgoalie said:
Well 2 of the 3 were top 5 in league scoring. Im guessing that they expected them to be tops in league scoring. All that doesn't matter if they don't start showing up in the playoffs though.
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I meant how much did he expect the cap to inflate in two years, and where did he expect 3 of the top 7 salaries to be relative to the cap in such a short time?

The COVID excuse is a poor one because every team is in the same situation.
 
hotpaws said:
except that the Debbie Downer's/Sour Suzy's/Pouting Paula's are basing there opinion's on fact unlike Dubie's peeps who just lub him for god knows what reason , i'll guess they mistakenly believe it's their duty as Leaf fans to support there GM until the bitter end , lol
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No they are not- well, not more than the Dubas peeps anyway. The curmudgeons are just as guilty.
 
hotpaws said:
trying to spin 1st rd exits and every new group of bargain bin signings as positives isn't basing an opinion on reality
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Yeah, we weren't good enough to win, the spin is crazy on both ends of the spectrum, but there is nothing wrong with being positive.
 
The CyNick said:
I don't think Covid should ever be used as an excuse. It's the same issue for every team.
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Yes and no. The fact that the Matthews and Marner deals were signed in the year before Covid started is undeniably bad luck. If these contracts were being negotiated now with the flat cap, the team might have had more motivation and success in taking a harder line with them. It's maybe not an excuse but it is a factor.
 
Leaf Fans said:
Yeah, we weren't good enough to win, the spin is crazy on both ends of the spectrum, but there is nothing wrong with being positive.
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the spin is endlessly praising Dubas in the off season for improving the team then making excuses that he's still the goat GM even though the team fails every year under his watch

the problem your having is you believe Dubas and the team are one and the same when in fact he's just an employee
 
Westlander said:
Yes and no. The fact that the Matthews and Marner deals were signed in the year before Covid started is undeniably bad luck. If these contracts were being negotiated now with the flat cap, the team might have had more motivation and success in taking a harder line with them. It's maybe not an excuse but it is a factor.
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The team wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. The 3rd best forward makes 11 million. I wouldn’t take a cent less if I were Matthews. At the time Matthews rookie season goal total was more than Tavares career high
 
Westlander said:
Yes and no. The fact that the Matthews and Marner deals were signed in the year before Covid started is undeniably bad luck. If these contracts were being negotiated now with the flat cap, the team might have had more motivation and success in taking a harder line with them. It's maybe not an excuse but it is a factor.
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even without a flat cap these deals were still above market , AM's cap hit should have been for 8 yrs and MM should have been about 9m per at that term

also JT is grossly overpaid for what he brings and yes ufa's get overpaid but there was no reason for us to sign a player at ufa prices when they don't fill a need
 
For me it boils down to this...

So much promise before Tavares....

Prior to the Tavares signing I saw a team on the rise/big time promise and all that was missing was some solid D to set them up for long term success. I admit Tavares was exciting but knew it was the wrong decision / direction knowing the D was critical and two key contracts to be finalized.

Dubas failed the day Tavares was signed and he continues to fail because you simply can't build a solid well rounded team with 3 11 million dollar players. Adding cast offs and end of career players is simply holding on not moving forward.

His next big failure will come the time Marner/Matthews contracts are up and when the very soon to be Tavares contract nightmare hit's the team.

Then comes the soon to be exiting Mike Rielly...
 
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Stonehands1990 said:
The team wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. The 3rd best forward makes 11 million. I wouldn’t take a cent less if I were Matthews. At the time Matthews rookie season goal total was more than Tavares career high
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but Johnny posted a cool pic with him sleeping in Leaf bed sheets which has to be worth at least 2m per season
 
Blowfish said:
For me it boils down to this...

Prior to the Tavares signing I saw a team on the rise/big time promise and all that was missing was some solid D to set them up for long term success. I admit Tavares was exciting but knew it was the wrong decision / direction knowing the D was critical and two key contracts to be finalized.

Dubas failed the day Tavares was signed and he continues to fail because you simply can't build a solid well rounded team with 3 11 million dollar players. Adding cast offs and end of career players is simply holding on not moving forward.

His next big failure will come the time Marner/Matthews contracts are up and when the very soon to be Tavares contract nightmare hit's the team.
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Blowfish you are so insightful..I agree with everything you say!!
 
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