Has Dubas failed at his job?

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Has Dubas failed at his job


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IMHO his trades have been good. Other than that, yup. I wasn't happy about the CN tower thing but blaming Dubas for that is a stretch. And the Zamboni driver thing, I was tired of that overblown meaningless BS story before I even finished reading it the first time.
I think his trades for the most part have been good. The Kadri trade in hindsight turned out to be a dud but I think we're in a better position with Brodie than having Kadri. I liked the Foligno acquisition but thought we overpaid for sure. Muzzin trade was great. Kapanen trade was fantastic. The Johnsson, Lindholm and Marchment trades don't move the needle in either direction and are really nothing trades but some posters seem to think they were terrible.
 
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It's not a pride issue because it has nothing to do with pride, not because there is none.

Can't recall ever seeing another city fly the colors of one of it's rivals, (particularly after being humiliated by them) but perhaps it's happened.

I also know Dubas is not to blame for it happening, but it would seem that nobody much cared what he or the Leafs might have thought about it.

I'll ask again.......Do you think you'd ever see the Red Sox logo on the Empire State Building if Boston was representing the AL East in the LCS or World Series?

I know...it's different :rolleyes:
 
Can't recall ever seeing another city fly the colors of one of it's rivals
The city didn't fly the colours of its rival. A Canadian building showed the colours of the lone Canadian team left in the playoffs. Such a nothing story, that has nothing to do with the Leafs or Dubas.
 
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The city didn't fly the colours of its rival. A Canadian building showed the colours of the lone Canadian team left in the playoffs. Such a nothing story, that has nothing to do with the Leafs or Dubas.

Guess I worded it poorly.....you're welcome.

Ignored the question I see.
 
He was handed the keys to the winningest regular season team in franchise history and in the 3 years since he's lost in the first round twice, and lost in the play-in once.

His contracts absolutely killed this team. The Foligno trade was him being super desperate, and not believing in his plan. You can't say you believe in skill and offence then trade a 1st for Foligno when Hall's asking was a 2nd.

Aside from that he's actually been good, unfortunately the parts he f***ed up were most crucial to the success of this team.
 
Can't recall ever seeing another city fly the colors of one of it's rivals, (particularly after being humiliated by them) but perhaps it's happened.

I also know Dubas is not to blame for it happening, but it would seem that nobody much cared what he or the Leafs might have thought about it.

I'll ask again.......Do you think you'd ever see the Red Sox logo on the Empire State Building if Boston was representing the AL East in the LCS or World Series?

I know...it's different :rolleyes:
I think Toronto’s mayor made a bet with Montreal Mayor way back when everyone thought the Leafs were a good team and would easily beat the Habs…….loser flys the others flag
 
Literally there is no chance this is done with Lou at the helm.

You don't explain how though.. how can the GM of the Leafs stop the CN tower doing what they want??

He's not even the highest rank on the Leafs.. you'd think maybe president Shanahan or even better someone on MLSE board or something.. there's probably dozens of people ahead of the frickin GM lol comeon

Also, this is all assuming they even knew it was going to happen.. CN doesn't have to tell the Leafs anything about what they want to celebrate.. as much as we may hate it
 
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Maybe it's just me but the fact that Dubas hasn't lowered Ontario/Canada's income tax rates to make us competitive with American teams screams "not ready". This is what happens when you get a rookie GM, can't even lower taxes.
 
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He was handed the keys to the winningest regular season team in franchise history

Leafs have been significantly better in 103gms under Keefe than they were in the 82gms of that "winningest season".
 
He was handed the keys to the winningest regular season team in franchise history and in the 3 years since he's lost in the first round twice, and lost in the play-in once.

His contracts absolutely killed this team. The Foligno trade was him being super desperate, and not believing in his plan. You can't say you believe in skill and offence then trade a 1st for Foligno when Hall's asking was a 2nd.

Aside from that he's actually been good, unfortunately the parts he f***ed up were most crucial to the success of this team.
Yes, he came into the most enviable situation imaginable, literally a GM’s dream. Somehow it’s been a nightmare so far.

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It hasn't been a nightmare for most people. The playoff results should have been better, but we still want to win.
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Leafs have been significantly better in 103gms under Keefe than they were in the 82gms of that "winningest season".

They've played more games than that under Keefe. You keep ignoring our playoff failures and you hate it when people mention the playoffs, but the truth is that playoff games are much more important than regular season games and ignoring them when evaluating the team or the coach makes zero sense.
 
They've played more games than that under Keefe. You keep ignoring our playoff failures and you hate it when people mention the playoffs, but the truth is that playoff games are much more important than regular season games and ignoring them when evaluating the team or the coach makes zero sense.

He mentioned the regular season success of the team dubas inherited. I responded with regular season comparisons.

Don't you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself chasing me around looking for killer burns?
 
You don't explain how though.. how can the GM of the Leafs stop the CN tower doing what they want??

He's not even the highest rank on the Leafs.. you'd think maybe president Shanahan or even better someone on MLSE board or something.. there's probably dozens of people ahead of the frickin GM lol comeon

Also, this is all assuming they even knew it was going to happen.. CN doesn't have to tell the Leafs anything about what they want to celebrate.. as much as we may hate it

Nobody in the Leafs brass has the weight or the intimidation factor that Lou does. He would have made one phone call and things would have been sorted out.
 
Nobody in the Leafs brass has the weight or the intimidation factor that Lou does. He would have made one phone call and things would have been sorted out.

Don't be ridiculous. Intimidating a young hockey player when you're their boss is one thing, pretty sure the government officials who aren't on his payroll aren't so easy to intimidate. It's also likely that some of them don't follow the NHL and don't even know who Lou is. It seems the Lou myth has reached epic proportions for some people ...
 
Usually after all is said and done, GMs are noted for what to do and what not to do.

Brian Burke. Don’t trade 2 unprotected 1st round picks. That became a staple.

Dubas. Don’t sign 4 forward to half the Cap. Especially 2 as wingers with 1 winger not a natural goal scorer. What will it become in the future? Success or a lesson?
 
If Lou were in charge, Bogosian would never have signed in Tampa. Lou would have made one quick call to Trudeau and the COVID restrictions would be wiped out.

I watch House of Cards on Netflix I would know.
 
He was handed the keys to the winningest regular season team in franchise history and in the 3 years since he's lost in the first round twice, and lost in the play-in once.
Interesting how only the regular season is mentioned pre-Dubas, but only the playoffs are mentioned post-Dubas. I wonder why that would be. Could it be because we've had multiple better regular seasons under Dubas, and playoff outcomes were exactly the same pre-Dubas?

What Dubas was actually handed was the keys to a team that had one good regular season propped up by a bunch of unsustainable factors (health, shootout record, elite starting goaltending, journeyman waiver-claimed backup fluking into a Vezina-quality season, some of the best ELC talent in the cap era, etc.). Depth was leaving to UFA, the pipeline was sucked dry and unreplenished, cap anchors remained, a toxic coach had countless high-paying years remaining, and that ELC talent had to be signed.

Since then, even through considerable injuries, a flat cap, and things like our starting goalie imploding, Dubas has posted multiple better regular seasons on the back of sustainable factors and strong underlying metrics, and while playoff outcomes have so-far remained unchanged, our team has played much better within those series, despite some pretty significant core injuries.
His contracts absolutely killed this team.
His contracts have done no such thing. The contracts he's handed out are reasonable and consistent with comparables, and this is a stronger team now than the one he took over.
The Foligno trade was him being super desperate, and not believing in his plan. You can't say you believe in skill and offence then trade a 1st for Foligno
It has nothing to do with not believing in his plan. Your perception of Dubas' "plan" is merely incorrect. He's always placed value on things other than just skill and offense. In fact, it was Dubas that completely re-made our defense to go from one of the worst in the league to one of the best.
 
Usually after all is said and done, GMs are noted for what to do and what not to do.

Brian Burke. Don’t trade 2 unprotected 1st round picks. That became a staple.

Dubas. Don’t sign 4 forward to half the Cap. Especially 2 as wingers with 1 winger not a natural goal scorer. What will it become in the future? Success or a lesson?

Interesting. I wonder if this is true everywhere or just in Leafland because of our lack of success?
 
This thread is above its desired limit.
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The powers in charge have still kept Dubas in charge so in their eyes he hasn't failed just not succeeded yet.

Only time will tell how this story ends but tune into a new future thread for updates.

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