Has Dubas failed at his job?

[notbias]

No double digit AAV cap skater (excluding goalies) has ever won a single playoff round.

Carey Price last year was the only player any position to advance beyond round #1.

This argument is was created for simpletons to get upset about something, I don't understand why it is even a thing.

Also, the argument last year was no team has won with a 10 million dollar hit, it is funny that it was changed so people could still get outraged instead of dropping it completely.

Malkin's cap at signing is the equivalent of a 12 million dollar cap hit, Crosby's is over 11 million, they have won 2 cups with these hits.

 

[Dekes For Days]

No double digit AAV cap skater (excluding goalies) has ever won a single playoff round.

So when we ignore players who have won series and cups with cap hit percentages that would represent 10m+ contracts under the current cap, and when we exclude the player who just went to the Stanley Cup final, and when we ignore that all teams other than Toronto and Edmonton with 10m+ skater contracts have been rebuilding for years, and when we ignore that the back-to-back Stanley Cup champions had two 9.5m contracts, then... that statement is still wrong, because Chicago won a playoff series with two 10m+ skater contracts in 2019-2020. You know, the same year 9.85m Seguin went to the finals.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Some of the folks I know checked out the day montreal colours were shining on the CN Tower. Never have they been so disgusted by a Leafs team and their GM.

The amount of embarrassing stories under dubas that I haven't seen under any previous management are quite a bit.

- Sparks fiasco
- Firing Babcock but not having the brass to do it himself; asking shanahan to do it
- getting shutdown completely by CBJ
- getting embarrassed by montreal while trading away the picks for hardly used... Rittich, Hutton, Foligno, Riley Nash
- Hiring a rookie coach
- montreal colours on CN Tower
- bloated contracts
- calling fans stupid/morons when they called out marner
- players' attitude.... (marner's attitude after playoffs ended)
- UFAs walk
- Hyman walked without returning anything; Rielly probably does the same thing
- Losing to AHL Zamboni driver
- etc....


Heck I watched Leafs hockey even under Horachek era.... For the first time in years I have made plans during the hockey season without considering Leafs schedule and I know other people who have done the same thing.

Toronto Maple Leafs logo used to mean something more than the players' name on the back. Even during Pat Quinn era when Leafs were trying to make runs with Sundin and co. The Maple Leaf logo meant a lot more than the name of the player on the back.

A lot of the people have checked out. I hardly even post anymore on the Leafs thread because it is baffling and tiresome for me to look at the pro-dubas crowd defend him without even sparing a single thought as to the situation where dubas had walked in... team on the rise and plenty of cap space. I have never seen a professional sports team do a 180 so quickly from that situation as the team did under dubas.

Shanahan is the guy to be blamed more for letting it happen and still continues to let it happen; especially after he himself had said that "we expect our young leaders to take discounts. J

Some of the folks I know checked out the day montreal colours were shining on the CN Tower. Never have they been so disgusted by a Leafs team and their GM.

The amount of embarrassing stories under dubas that I haven't seen under any previous management are quite a bit.

- Sparks fiasco
- Firing Babcock but not having the brass to do it himself; asking shanahan to do it
- getting shutdown completely by CBJ
- getting embarrassed by montreal while trading away the picks for hardly used... Rittich, Hutton, Foligno, Riley Nash
- Hiring a rookie coach
- montreal colours on CN Tower
- bloated contracts
- calling fans stupid/morons when they called out marner
- players' attitude.... (marner's attitude after playoffs ended)
- UFAs walk
- Hyman walked without returning anything; Rielly probably does the same thing
- Losing to AHL Zamboni driver
- etc....


Heck I watched Leafs hockey even under Horachek era.... For the first time in years I have made plans during the hockey season without considering Leafs schedule and I know other people who have done the same thing.

Toronto Maple Leafs logo used to mean something more than the players' name on the back. Even during Pat Quinn era when Leafs were trying to make runs with Sundin and co. The Maple Leaf logo meant a lot more than the name of the player on the back.

A lot of the people have checked out. I hardly even post anymore on the Leafs thread because it is baffling and tiresome for me to look at the pro-dubas crowd defend him without even sparing a single thought as to the situation where dubas had walked in... team on the rise and plenty of cap space. I have never seen a professional sports team do a 180 so quickly from that situation as the team did under dubas.

Shanahan is the guy to be blamed more for letting it happen and still continues to let it happen; especially after he himself had said that "we expect our young leaders to take discounts to keep the team together".

The collapse and subsequent excuses after game 5 of the playoffs has me questioning everything about this team from the players right up to ownership. It’s obvious at this point that winning a championship just isn’t the top priority. So the key question is that if the players, coaches and management don’t care about winning then why should the fans care about them?

It’s a culture problem more than anything. The entire culture of this team screams loser..... but that’s ok because they lose with dignity and are morally superior. Right.

I’m not the only fan who isn’t buying it.

 

[hotpaws]

This argument is was created for simpletons to get upset about something, I don't understand why it is even a thing.

Also, the argument last year was no team has won with a 10 million dollar hit, it is funny that it was changed so people could still get outraged instead of dropping it completely.

Malkin's cap at signing is the equivalent of a 12 million dollar cap hit, Crosby's is over 11 million, they have won 2 cups with these hits.

And it took years for there cap hit % to drop before they won the cup .

 

[notbias]

And it took years for there cap hit % to drop before they won the cup .

Malkin's would have still been a 10 million dollar contract that year (10.6 I believe).

 

[Mess]

Yep and That’s what I thought too, I even mentioned that last off season. But some here won’t admit that and like to twist it.

And we have 3 of them……….and Dubas is awesome……..right

That is our biggest obstacle to success. IMO

I think of it this way ... When JT went down to injury (which are a part of the game) the Leafs were down $11 mil player talent wise against Montreal. Then when Marner scores Zero goals that essentially put the Leafs down another $11 mil and when Matthews puts up 1 goal in 7 games that now put the Leafs $11.5 mil cap usage invested.

So for $33.5 mil the Leafs got 1 goal in last years playoffs from 3 of the 5 highest paid forwards in the game.. If your cap is $81.5 mil (even though there isn't any official hard cap in the playoffs your team is still built on that premise), Leafs essentially tried to beat the #18th ranked playoff team [$81.5 mil - $33.5 mil (for 1 goal) = $48 mil on depth players including your goalies.

With star goalie Price in net and a $33.5 mil salary cap in roster players to offset 1 Leaf goal by Matthews of the trio combined, you can see why you could drop a 3-1 series lead.

Now picture that same principle against good teams and having to go 4 rounds if those $11 mil players are missing or missing in action, how the odds are stacked against the Leafs winning by soooo much invested in soooo few players.

PS.. Swapping out Hyman, Thornton, Foligno, Galchenyuk, Bogosian and Freddy Andersen for Bunting, Ritchie, Kampf, Gabriel, Robertson, Liljegren and Petr Marzek doesn't address this problem of cap usage and disadvantage.

 

[egd27]

That CN Tower thing you have understand that world is changing and sports aren't war you fight on against others. Teams play on the ice or on the field and then it is it. Those CN Tower colors weren't some insult towards our fans, though I don't understand that fixate of Canadien fans about Canadien team winning the Stanley Cup. Hopefully we get some support in near future.

Do you think you'd ever see the Red Sox logo on the Empire State Building if Boston was representing the AL East in the LCS or World Series?

 

[notbias]

Do you think you'd ever see the Red Sox logo on the Empire State Building if Boston was representing the AL East in the LCS or World Series?

If whoever is in charge of that decided to do so, yes, I think they would.

What is this argument? Why are people upset about lights?

 

[egd27]

If whoever is in charge of that decided to do so, yes, I think they would.

What is this argument? Why are people upset about lights?

Sure they would

 

[killer1980]

This argument is was created for simpletons to get upset about something, I don't understand why it is even a thing.

Also, the argument last year was no team has won with a 10 million dollar hit, it is funny that it was changed so people could still get outraged instead of dropping it completely.

Malkin's cap at signing is the equivalent of a 12 million dollar cap hit, Crosby's is over 11 million, they have won 2 cups with these hits.

The problem is none of our 3 pretty boys are Malkin & Crosby. I don't include Tavares in our group of self-entitled pretty boys. Not sure he has proven he was worth the money but he is not afraid to pay the price like the 3 others. Also paying a lot of dough to 2 is not the same as emptying the vault to 4. Pittsburgh had a good enough supporting cast to get the job done. Our GM's inability to properly assess talent and our coach's inability to coach at an NHL level is our problem. The downward slide was predictable the moment Dubas stood in front of the microphone and accepted the job. I wonder what the excuse will be when the Leafs miss this year's playoffs?

 

[Dekes For Days]

People know that the Leafs and Dubas have no control over the CN Tower, right...?

 

[Sypher04]

The problem is none of our 3 pretty boys are Malkin & Crosby. I don't include Tavares in our group of self-entitled pretty boys. Not sure he has proven he was worth the money but he is not afraid to pay the price like the 3 others. Also paying a lot of dough to 2 is not the same as emptying the vault to 4. Pittsburgh had a good enough supporting cast to get the job done. Our GM's inability to properly assess talent and our coach's inability to coach at an NHL level is our problem. The downward slide was predictable the moment Dubas stood in front of the microphone and accepted the job. I wonder what the excuse will be when the Leafs miss this year's playoffs?

people parroting all over this board that our guys aren’t willing to pay the price, or that they don’t retrieve pucks for themselves, won’t take a hit to make a play, or don’t care, need to come back to reality. These guys have more to prove, no doubt, but a lot of the criticism lobbed their way (definitely not all) is simply not true.

I’m still pissed about that series vs Montreal too. And I demand better. But making up things about our players to keep them on blast perpetually doesn’t get us anywhere.

 

[killer1980]

people parroting all over this board that our guys aren’t willing to pay the price, or that they don’t retrieve pucks for themselves, won’t take a hit to make a play, or don’t care, need to come back to reality. These guys have more to prove, no doubt, but a lot of the criticism lobbed their way (definitely not all) is simply not true.

I’m still pissed about that series vs Montreal too. And I demand better. But making up things about our players to keep them on blast perpetually doesn’t get us anywhere.

Maybe, just maybe the parrots are correct. Sorry, but many of us believe that their egos (and their bank accounts) are a lot beigger than their hearts.

 

[Sypher04]

Maybe, just maybe the parrots are correct. Sorry, but many of believe that their egos (and their bank accounts) are a lot beigger than their hearts.

If people here want to tell me, seemingly every day, for example, that Matthews and Marner won’t pay the price and don’t retrieve pucks for themselves, this leaves the realm of simple opinion. Because that’s just objectively untrue

 

[notbias]

Sure they would

Look into who owns the CN tower, then think about how this could possibly happen.

Critical thinking is lacking on this forum

 

[deprw]

Do you think you'd ever see the Red Sox logo on the Empire State Building if Boston was representing the AL East in the LCS or World Series?

Nope, like I said I don't understand this Canadien fixation on Canadien team winning the Stanley Cup. That drought is 28 years, but who cares. It still seems to be some kind of thing there to think about Canadien team, which is nonsense. Fabricated by media and politics I think. Is there proof this CN Tower is idea of Dubas?

I can't see Yankees supporting Red Sox if their against Jays, though it's multinational league. NHL is different in that sense since Canada is home of ice hockey and Canadien teams cannot win the cup. Or that way I have rationalized the need to discuss about that nonsense.

 

[egd27]

Nope, like I said I don't understand this Canadien fixation on Canadien team winning the Stanley Cup. That drought is 28 years, but who cares. It still seems to be some kind of thing there to think about Canadien team, which is nonsense. Fabricated by media and politics I think. Is there proof this CN Tower is idea of Dubas?

I can't see Yankees supporting Red Sox if their against Jays, though it's multinational league. NHL is different in that sense since Canada is home of ice hockey and Canadien teams cannot win the cup. Or that way I have rationalized the need to discuss about that nonsense.

I have no idea whose idea it was, nor do I care if someone wants to root for another Canadian team for some nationalistic reason. That's up to them.

I get that the CN is a federally managed building, but IMO allowing the "colors" of your oldest rival to fly from the tallest structure in the city after your team has just been defeated by them is bad form and shows a lack of both civic, and organizational pride.

But I suppose the lack of organizational pride is so rampant that there is no point in expecting any push back on or off the ice.

 

[zeke]

not sure why anyone thinks the CN Tower's decision had anything to do with the leafs.

 

[ACC1224]

I have no idea whose idea it was, nor do I care if someone wants to root for another Canadian team for some nationalistic reason. That's up to them.

I get that the CN is a federally managed building, but IMO allowing the "colors" of your oldest rival to fly from the tallest structure in the city after your team has just been defeated by them is bad form and shows a lack of both civic, and organizational pride.

But I suppose the lack of organizational pride is so rampant that there is no point in expecting any push back on or off the ice.

If Burke was still in charge he would have went nuts over that.
'Organizational pride' is non existent., we can just add it to the list with the rest of the shortcomings.

 

[Sypher04]

I have no idea whose idea it was, nor do I care if someone wants to root for another Canadian team for some nationalistic reason. That's up to them.

I get that the CN is a federally managed building, but IMO allowing the "colors" of your oldest rival to fly from the tallest structure in the city after your team has just been defeated by them is bad form and shows a lack of both civic, and organizational pride.

But I suppose the lack of organizational pride is so rampant that there is no point in expecting any push back on or off the ice.

How would the leafs have known it was going to happen? You yourself said it’s a federally managed building. Mountain of a molehill, Jesus

 

[Blowfish]

not sure why anyone thinks the CN Tower's decision had anything to do with the leafs.

That's part of what makes it another embarrassing moment...

 

[egd27]

If Burke was still in charge he would have went nuts over that.
'Organizational pride' is non existent., we can just add it to the list with the rest of the shortcomings.

Or Quinn, or Lou

 

[egd27]

How would the leafs have known it was going to happen? You yourself said it’s a federally managed building. Mountain of a molehill, Jesus

It's not being made into a mountain so you can stop with the hyperbole.

If you don't care about things like that, then that's your prerogative and I have no issue with that.

The lack of response is, IMO, just another small example of how easily this current group is pushed around both on and off the ice.

 

[Racer88]

good grief you are a broken record

Because it’s true and one of the single most relevant issues hurting this team right now

 

[Sypher04]

It's not being made into a mountain so you can stop with the hyperbole.

If you don't care about things like that, then that's your prerogative and I have no issue with that.

The lack of response is, IMO, just another small example of how easily this current group is pushed around both on and off the ice.

right it’s MY comment that is the hyperbole lol

I didn’t like it either, but I don’t think it says anything about organizational pride whatsoever. Also didn’t it last like one night and they stopped. Maybe not, but you are using this as a springboard to criticize when it ultimately had nothing to do with the organization, nor do we know if talks happened about stopping it, or if any other previous MLSE management could or would have done differently.