Has Dubas failed at his job?

[noo]

I'm so confused... how the hell is the CN tower Dubas' fault?

y'all really think it was his call ..or even something he could have stopped?

Can't make this shit up lmao

 

[Leaf Fans]

I'm so confused... how the hell is the CN tower Dubas' fault?

y'all really think it was his call ..or even something he could have stopped?

Can't make this shit up lmao

It is also the Canadian National tower not the Toronto tower.

 

[RoyalCitySlicker]

That people are talking about this as some sort of a sign that the organization has culture issues is so weird.

Like, there's so many more things to rightfully complain about with this team and connect with culture issues and you settled on this one..so weird.

The games can't come fast enough.

 

[Gabriel426]

You can’t pin the CN tower thing on Dubas or the Leafs. You can say the lack of response is worrying but won’t that also show Dubas’s class.
It is pretty much a Damn if you do or damn if you don’t situation.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I get that the CN is a federally managed building, but IMO allowing the "colors" of your oldest rival to fly from the tallest structure in the city after your team has just been defeated by them is bad form

Lol, "allow"? Leafs don't have any say in how the CN tower operates. Which you seem to admit, but then still somehow blame Dubas for it.

 

[killer1980]

I'm so confused... how the hell is the CN tower Dubas' fault?

y'all really think it was his call ..or even something he could have stopped?

Can't make this shit up lmao

I, for one, categorically do not believe that anything that happened regarding the CN Tower was Dubas fault. However, everything else is.

 

[egd27]

Lol, "allow"? Leafs don't have any say in how the CN tower operates. Which you seem to admit, but then still somehow blame Dubas for it.

Not blaming him for making the decision. Just thought he may have enough pride to address the decision.

Not terribly surprised though, what's the point of getting annoyed over having your rival's colors flying almost directly over you home rink, as long as we all get along.

 

[Suntouchable13]

He is going with the same core, he failed. I don’t like the core at all. Not that they are not talented, they are, but it takes more than just talent to win in the playoffs. They don’t have “it”. I am not going to watch this team this season until Dubas is fired or someone from the core is traded.

 

[Mess]

He is going with the same core, he failed. I don’t like the core at all. Not that they are not talented, they are, but it takes more than just talent to win in the playoffs. They don’t have “it”. I am not going to watch this team this season until Dubas is fired or someone from the core is traded.

In the playoffs Will beats Skill.

No question we have a lot of skill, perhaps more top end skill then a lot of teams, but I haven't seen a will mentality component to do whatever it takes to win show up yet with this core. IMO

 

[Sypher04]

Not blaming him for making the decision. Just thought he may have enough pride to address the decision.

Not terribly surprised though, what's the point of getting annoyed over having your rival's colors flying almost directly over you home rink, as long as we all get along.

Again, who is to say that Dubas and MLSE didn’t voice their displeasure to those operating the CN Tower. You’re just assuming nothing was done and using it to attack the people which is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Just thought he may have enough pride to address the decision.

This is not a pride issue; there's nothing to address. A Canadian building lit up in a Canadian team's colours; something they do that's even specifically referenced on their website. It's not some big attack on the Leafs. It's not something the Leafs have any say in. It's not something a Leaf GM needs to talk about. It's mind-boggling that we're even talking about it here.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Again, who is to say that Dubas and MLSE didn’t voice their displeasure to those operating the CN Tower. You’re just assuming nothing was done and using it to attack the people which is pretty ridiculous.

I don’t think he cares that much. He didn’t do crap to improve the team’s chances to win at least 1 round next year.

 

[deprw]

You're right but it doesn't mean that everyone will change their stripes or learn from their mistakes (hello Kadri). Some will some won't. At what point do you make that determination...6yrs, 7yrs, 8yrs?

It's damn hard to acquire star level talent and you should be pretty certain you want to get rid of some. Acquiring those from UFA market isn't easy and your picking on left overs. So I don't see as bad strategy that you try build on your young star players, there is learning curve. It's same thing with other young players too, but if you get into NHL level and you're star there you probably are quick and efficient learner. Should Avalanche start rebuild or should they follow Capitals route and continue with their core. It seems their doing that by resigning Landeskog, though they lost value after last season and their stars failed to contribute on 2nd round.

I don't miss years 2004-2016. Years without top end talent and Kadri being that bright homegrown talent.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I'm so confused... how the hell is the CN tower Dubas' fault?

y'all really think it was his call ..or even something he could have stopped?

Can't make this shit up lmao

Same with Zamboni driver point. If Lou was up in the box instead of Dubas the result would've been the same. What does the GM have to do with it?

 

[deprw]

Agreed. Posing this question in a yes/no form makes no sense. Like anyone, he's made some good moves and he's made some bad moves. The biggest mistakes he's made IMHO are the Marner contract, trading away futures at the last TDL and stubbornly sticking with this core this summer when trading Marner seems like such a logical move. Not even considering this option makes me wonder if he's not too attached to his players and if he is, that's a HUGE problem. I like most of the trades he's made, even the Kadri trade was fine I think though a ton of people think it was dumb. The big problem is that in the end, the playoffs have been a big disappointment and eventually, the buck stops with the guy that assembled the team. If we break through next playoffs and go to the final, all his mistakes will be forgiven and perhaps won't even be considered mistakes any more. One more gross failure though and he's quite possibly looking for a new job.

Well I don't agree by trading Marner during this off-season I see no benefit, since UFA crop was thin and we couldn't utilize our cap space better than keeping Marner. I'd rather watch one full season with core than tinker it and go for lesser players. I don't know what opening there could have been for other young players, but I don't see us trading for futures and then trading those away with our asset depth. We have played two shortened season and I'd like to see what Keefe and our coaching staff can cook next season with normal preparation for the season. There have been roster turn over and honestly I don't know if our problems in the playoffs can be tied only on Marner. It would have been also good chance to get into real media circus during off-season.

We have to agree to disagree also for that TDL, since I saw it as logical move for division winner. It was first time we went all-in and I think it was something you should do in that situation.

We are one of those rebuilding teams that have problems moving forward, but I'd be bit cautious when trading away young star players. Did Avalance over react when they couldn't win second round with even better roster? Nope, they also used their trade capital to fix goalie issue right away. Is Sakic on the hot seat? Don't think so, few years back Dubas was candidate for them to become GM.

I think next off season is time for major moves, it's my opinion. I think as bad as attaching your players is forcing moves and I think trading Marner would have been that.

 

[egd27]

This is not a pride issue; there's nothing to address. A Canadian building lit up in a Canadian team's colours; something they do that's even specifically referenced on their website. It's not some big attack on the Leafs. It's not something the Leafs have any say in. It's not something a Leaf GM needs to talk about. It's mind-boggling that we're even talking about it here.

I suppose you're right, it's not a pride issue if there is none. Kumbaya.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Well I don't agree by trading Marner during this off-season I see no benefit, since UFA crop was thin and we couldn't utilize our cap space better than keeping Marner. I'd rather watch one full season with core than tinker it and go for lesser players. I don't know what opening there could have been for other young players, but I don't see us trading for futures and then trading those away with our asset depth. We have played two shortened season and I'd like to see what Keefe and our coaching staff can cook next season with normal preparation for the season. There have been roster turn over and honestly I don't know if our problems in the playoffs can be tied only on Marner. It would have been also good chance to get into real media circus during off-season.

I can see the logic behind wanting to see a full season and I understand there is an argument to be made for keeping Marner, it's a gamble either way. I don't think anyone's saying that our playoff failures are on Marner alone (he is at the top of my list though). Media is a non-issue. It's always a circus no matter what but letting media pressure influence our decisions would be a huge mistake.

We have to agree to disagree also for that TDL, since I saw it as logical move for division winner. It was first time we went all-in and I think it was something you should do in that situation.

It's not the first time we've spent futures at the deadline, we've been keeping our "own rentals" for many years now, dating back to the first time we made the playoffs. Agree to disagree, agreed.

We are one of those rebuilding teams that have problems moving forward, but I'd be bit cautious when trading away young star players. Did Avalance over react when they couldn't win second round with even better roster? Nope, they also used their trade capital to fix goalie issue right away. Is Sakic on the hot seat? Don't think so, few years back Dubas was candidate for them to become GM.

I'd be cautious when trading away young players as well. As far as our guys go, the only one I'd be interested in moving is Marner, and there are many reasons for that being worth of consideration which I've already explained in a fair bit of detail. And because there are a number of valid reasons, trading would be a carefully considered move, anything but an overreaction and I would only do it if we got a massive return (which I believe we would).

I think next off season is time for major moves, it's my opinion. I think as bad as attaching your players is forcing moves and I think trading Marner would have been that.

Saying that next season is time for major moves but considering a Marner trade this off-season is on overreacion seems a tad arbitrary to me. I think we've had enough failure with the current group to say that changing the mix is a reasonable proposition.

 

[The CyNick]

I'm so confused... how the hell is the CN tower Dubas' fault?

y'all really think it was his call ..or even something he could have stopped?

Can't make this shit up lmao

Literally there is no chance this is done with Lou at the helm.

 

[FiveHoleo]

Forget about the culture of entitlement he's fostered, never mind his support of a coach who froze like a turd in all key moments of the playoffs, and put aside the fact he oversaw the evolution of the best young team in the league as it became a cap locked mess with a putrid prospect pool of midgets. Those things all take a backseat to the CN tower getting lit up in bleu blanc et rouge. Honestly I forgot that even happened until people started whining about it in here, and it has nothing to do with Dubas. Hate Dubas for the crummy job he's done, not for some tourist attraction's tacky choice of decoration for a few nights.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Literally there is no chance this is done with Lou at the helm.

What power does the GM of a hockey team have over a National landmark owned by the Federal government?

 

[Menzinger]

What power does the GM of a hockey team have over a National landmark owned by the Federal government?

Nothing.

The idea that the Leafs have veto power over what a government building can and can't do is pure nonsense.

Of all the things people can be legitimately annoyed/critical of Dubas for this year, this certainly isn't one of them.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Not blaming him for making the decision. Just thought he may have enough pride to address the decision.

Not terribly surprised though, what's the point of getting annoyed over having your rival's colors flying almost directly over you home rink, as long as we all get along.

Meh if you say something you look absolutely terrible. You just chocked yet again this time after being up 3-1 against an inferior opponent. If you start whining about the CN tower you look like a sore loser. Dubas took the right road here. Just lose with grace. If Toronto got the job done it would have been Blue and White instead.

Literally there is no chance this is done with Lou at the helm.

Lol what, is Lou going to storm into parliament and put his foot down?

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Nothing.

The idea that the Leafs have veto power over what a government building can and can't do is pure nonsense.

Of all the things people can be legitimately annoyed/critical of Dubas for this year, this certainly isn't one of them.

Legit.

Cap management, roster construction, trades, asset management are all things that Dubas can be criticized for. The CN Tower and Zamboni driver situations are just huge reaches and really dumb talking points.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Legit.

Cap management, roster construction, trades, asset management are all things that Dubas can be criticized for. The CN Tower and Zamboni driver situations are just huge reaches and really dumb talking points.

IMHO his trades have been good. Other than that, yup. I wasn't happy about the CN tower thing but blaming Dubas for that is a stretch. And the Zamboni driver thing, I was tired of that overblown meaningless BS story before I even finished reading it the first time.

 

[Dekes For Days]

it's not a pride issue if there is none.

It's not a pride issue because it has nothing to do with pride, not because there is none.