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Has Dubas failed at his job

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It is vitality important to have regular season success. It is the only way to get into the playoffs. We have to also have success in the playoffs.
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Fogelhund said:
Boston Bruins Still Expect Rask To Play For Them This Season

Krejci was replaced by Hall. Rask is likely still a Bruin. Ullmark is a pretty damned good goalie, and great signing by Boston.
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Krejci has been one of the best 2 way centers and playoff performers the game has had the last 10+years. The Bruins are going to miss him. Their 4 centers are now Bergeron, Coyle Haula and Nosek according to daily faceoff. Hall has played on 4 teams in the last 2 years. He hasn't been a top player for a while. He played well for the Bruins after the deadline and then disappeared in playoffs.

If Rask plays for them then its a different story. Ullmark is a very solid backup but still is unproven as a starter. The Bruins have slowly been getting worse losing Chara to age, Krug to FA, Krejci leaving and Rask to FA (as of right now).
 
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acrobaticgoalie said:
Krejci has been one of the best 2 way centers and playoff performers the game has had the last 10+years. The Bruins are going to miss him. Their 4 centers are now Bergeron, Coyle Haula and Nosek according to daily faceoff. Hall has played on 4 teams in the last 2 years. He hasn't been a top player for a while. He played well for the Bruins after the deadline and then disappeared in playoffs.

If Rask plays for them then its a different story. Ullmark is a very solid backup but still is unproven as a starter. The Bruins have slowly been getting worse losing Chara to age, Krug to FA, Krejci leaving and Rask to FA (as of right now).
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I think you're undervaluing the players the bruins added plus the bruins have some prospect players who will be making an impact this year...I don't think bruin fans are losing any sleep with respect to Ritchie and Kase. Krejci does hurt but the bruins have some players who can step in (Coyle and Studnicka).

Note - Their D is much younger and was top 5 last year without Chara.

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mikeyz said:
Look at @PromisedLand post from yesterday. He listed it perfectly.
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PromisedLand said:
Dubas' resume so far:

  • Came as a GM in the most enviable position that any GM would give an arm and a leg to be in: team on the rise, plenty of cap space, assets
  • Within a matter of few years: team decline, no cap space, UFAs walking , assets declining, 1st rounders out the door
  • Taken to the woodshed by Nylander, Marner, Matthews
  • Zamboni driver game
  • hires a rookie coach-> Team shutout by CBJ, Blown series lead against Montreal
  • Montreal colours on CN tower (can't remember shit like this under any past GM)
  • Tells media he has some intergalactic computer that has special analytics (remember his Ceci comments?)
  • Blames fans for calling out marner (called them stupid)
  • No cap left to get quality depth on offense or defense with Rielly about to walk as UFA (add another UFA walking)
  • Refuses picks for Hyman when Hyman was going to walk anyway... (how dumb was it to even allow Hyman to talk to Oilers without discussing any draft picks before hand)
  • Trades a 1st rounder + 4th for retention because team has no cap space for an injured player at the TDL (Foligno was injured: well known fact now)
  • Trades further picks for players not used -> Rittich, Hutton, Rielly Nash
  • Sparks fiasco
  • the list can continue....
If I wasn't a Leafs fan I would find it absolutely hilarious that a GM like him is still employed by the team
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this is just a rant, and mostly unfounded, as every team is in as bad a cap situation as us or worse, and do not have the quality of players locked up that we do, and/or did not need to
sign their players just before Covid and the flat cap.

I agree that he overpaid on Marner, but, at the time of the Draisaitl signing, everyone thought he was overpaid by at least 2 mil, and now he's a bargain.
Marner for all his flaws is still a 90+pt player and hasnt reached his peak.
TB got Point (9.5) cheaper because of Fla tax rates, Col the same with Rantanen (9.25), if we had similar tax rates, we wouldnt be complaining about Marner's salary.
if we had TB's tax rate, Marner would have a cap hit of 9.1, and 9.6 in Col for the same $$ amount.

the GM has nothing to do with the team losing to a Zamboni driver, or what colors are put up on the CN Tower etc

Yea, he hired a rookie coach, who had just led our AHL team to a championship, and has the best record of any coach in his first 2 seasons, and I do blame him (the coach) 100% on his 2 playoff losses, but, almost all great coaches have had similar failures. (most of the coaches people were saying should replace him, and many have/had worse playoff records)
signing players for depth before the playoffs is a good thing, not a bad thing when your expectation is to go deep.

its not Dubas's fault Foligno got hurt, and he was my #1 guy i wanted for the playoffs. teams that expect to go far in the playoffs pick up players like that for a long run, and that was everyone's expectation, and if it Dubas is as bad as some are making him out to be, you should never have expected to go far anyways!!

refusing picks for Hyman was the right move ...he demanded a certain pick for a sign and trade, and the Oilers tried to force his hand and lowball him and expected him to take the 7th and let the Oilers save $500k in salary, so screw them. he stood his ground and the Oil had to pay the extra $$ and will end up having a new Lucic contact to worry about and now they know Dubas wont just give in to hardball tactics.

Has Dubas been perfect, Hell NO he should have signed all 3 players a year earlier (but, maybe their agents weren't willing to sign earlier), but, has he failed at his job, hell NO!
 
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DuncanMacpherson said:
Also, Although the Tavares injury isn’t Dubas fault. Dubas is at fault for us not having a third line center that can jump into a 2C role when needed due to injury. Kerfoot is not that guy, despite the fact that he’s paying him like he is. Keefe had no confidence in Kerfoot at 2C he was juggling the lines all series trying out Foligno and Engvel in Tavares role. Dubas and Keefe should have been more prepared for the possibility of one of our top 2 centres going down.
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But to me that all comes down to half the cap tied up in 4 forwards, and even more so into paying 2 centers $22 million. As I’ve said before, I really feel that our window of opportunity will be wasted due to having to nickel and dime our bottom six. Truly hoping to be proven wrong.
 
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mydnyte said:
this is just a rant, and mostly unfounded, as every team is in as bad a cap situation as us or worse, and do not have the quality of players locked up that we do, and/or did not need to
sign their players just before Covid and the flat cap.

I agree that he overpaid on Marner, but, at the time of the Draisaitl signing, everyone thought he was overpaid by at least 2 mil, and now he's a bargain.
Marner for all his flaws is still a 90+pt player and hasnt reached his peak.
TB got Point (9.5) cheaper because of Fla tax rates, Col the same with Rantanen (9.25), if we had similar tax rates, we wouldnt be complaining about Marner's salary.
if we had TB's tax rate, Marner would have a cap hit of 9.1, and 9.6 in Col for the same $$ amount.

the GM has nothing to do with the team losing to a Zamboni driver, or what colors are put up on the CN Tower etc

Yea, he hired a rookie coach, who had just led our AHL team to a championship, and has the best record of any coach in his first 2 seasons, and I do blame him (the coach) 100% on his 2 playoff losses, but, almost all great coaches have had similar failures. (most of the coaches people were saying should replace him, and many have/had worse playoff records)
signing players for depth before the playoffs is a good thing, not a bad thing when your expectation is to go deep.

its not Dubas's fault Foligno got hurt, and he was my #1 guy i wanted for the playoffs. teams that expect to go far in the playoffs pick up players like that for a long run, and that was everyone's expectation, and if it Dubas is as bad as some are making him out to be, you should never have expected to go far anyways!!

refusing picks for Hyman was the right move ...he demanded a certain pick for a sign and trade, and the Oilers tried to force his hand and lowball him and expected him to take the 7th and let the Oilers save $500k in salary, so screw them. he stood his ground and the Oil had to pay the extra $$ and will end up having a new Lucic contact to worry about and now they know Dubas wont just give in to hardball tactics.

Has Dubas been perfect, Hell NO he should have signed all 3 players a year earlier (but, maybe their agents weren't willing to sign earlier), but, has he failed at his job, hell NO!
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Alberta has the lowest tax rates in Canada also. Its a big chunk cheaper per million than Ontario also
He’s just bringing in the ornery players. That was a failure watching your stars get beat around and waiting for them to respond. His loyalties to his players runs to wild. The Kadri trade was a complete injustice to everyone. I fully respect Kadri to this day and never would have traded one of the best value contract in the league unless it was a real good return. He’s not all bad but has done enough bad decisions to see the teams he built not succeed in the playoffs.
Definitely a failure
 
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Wafflewhipper said:
Alberta has the lowest tax rates in Canada also. Its a big chunk cheaper per million than Ontario also
He’s just bringing in the ornery players. That was a failure watching your stars get beat around and waiting for them to respond. His loyalties to his players runs to wild. The Kadri trade was a complete injustice to everyone. I fully respect Kadri to this day and never would have traded one of the best value contract in the league unless it was a real good return. He’s not all bad but has done enough bad decisions to see the teams he built not succeed in the playoffs.
Definitely a failure
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Kadri? :laugh:
 
Fogelhund said:
Kadri? :laugh:
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He really shouldn’t have dropped his pants at a woman. Oh wait he didn’t. Matthews should have gotten disciplined not Kadri. Kadri isn’t yellow either. Kadri is a half million cheaper than the two centers Dubas has now trying to do his shutdown center role. I’d take Kadri over Kerfoot and Kampf every day the week. I don’t really care what you think with your laughing
 
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Racer88 said:
Kadri sure as heck wouldn’t have allowed someone to rag doll him while covering it with an embarrassing laugh.
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That trade really p!ssed me off but i had to go along with it. Dubas and Shinnyhan conspired to get rid of him for protecting his teammates. Who cares about that. I wish he’d ripped their heads off. That turns out was a telltale how soft this management was. Phoney as f*** to when they allowed yellow a$$ back without a word after playing flasher with a woman. Quite fair right :)
I lost respect for Matthews after that and he’s not getting it back
 
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supermann_98 said:
Svechnikov signing with the Canes for 8 years at $7.75m ..... someone tell me again how great a job Dubas has done
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Svech after 3 years, 205 games, 140 points. 0.68 PPG 9.51% of the cap
Nylander at time of signing - 185 games, 135 points 0.72 PPG 8.76% of the cap
Marner at time of signing 241 games, 224 points 0.93 PPG 13.38% of cap.

Both Nylander and Marner had outperformed Svech, at the time of their contract signings.... Marner significantly so. Marner is overpaid, probably by $1.5 million. The Svech contract is pretty in line with Nylander's, given it's eight years though.
 
Wafflewhipper said:
That trade really p!ssed me off but i had to go along with it. Dubas and Shinnyhan conspired to get rid of him for protecting his teammates. Who cares about that. I wish he’d ripped their heads off. That turns out was a telltale how soft this management was. Phoney as f*** to when they allowed yellow a$$ back without a word after playing flasher with a woman. Quite fair right :)
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I worked for 5 years with Kari’s uncle and have kept in touch with him since and it’s an understatement to say that Kadri was devastated when he was traded. He was a Leafs through and through. He would have done anything for his team mates. We are missing that very much right now because this isn’t really a team……it’s a bunch of haves and have nots and the have only think about their bank balance.
 
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He really shouldn’t have dropped his pants at a woman. Oh wait he didn’t. Matthews should have gotten disciplined not Kadri. Kadri isn’t yellow either. Kadri is a half million cheaper than the two centers Dubas has now trying to do his shutdown center role. I’d take Kadri over Kerfoot and Kampf every day the week. I don’t really care what you think with your laughing
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Matthews has had one incident.

Kadri had multiple discipline issues, internal suspensions, internal meetings with management, run ins with every coach he played for, multiple league suspensions, and team warnings... he wore out his welcome, and was moved. Shanahan publicly called him out for his lack of maturity, and commitment, had to have a meeting with his parents. Kadri failed the team, and was moved. If this is something you can't comprehend, there isn't much of a conversation to be had. Kadri also wasn't very good at that "shutdown" role. I loved Kadri for what he brought to the team, but his play with the Avalanche suggests he still hasn't matured.
 
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Fogelhund said:
Matthews has had one incident.

Kadri had multiple discipline issues, internal suspensions, internal meetings with management, run ins with every coach he played for, multiple league suspensions, and team warnings... he wore out his welcome, and was moved. Shanahan publicly called him out for his lack of maturity, and commitment, had to have a meeting with his parents. Kadri failed the team, and was moved. If this is something you can't comprehend, there isn't much of a conversation to be had. Kadri also wasn't very good at that "shutdown" role. I loved Kadri for what he brought to the team, but his play with the Avalanche suggests he still hasn't matured.
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Minimize flashing a lady are you. Wow ok then. I digress
 
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Racer88 said:
I worked for 5 years with Kari’s uncle and have kept in touch with him since and it’s an understatement to say that Kadri was devastated when he was traded. He was a Leafs through and through. He would have done anything for his team mates. We are missing that very much right now because this isn’t really a team……it’s a bunch of haves and have nots and the have only think about their bank balance.
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It’s ridiculous they traded him. I would be more inclined to trade a punk that flashed a woman personally. Seems they have priority issues in Leaf management to me but anyways it seems its the same thing to some people and I’m going to leave it at that.
Kadri was a warrior :). Fully respected him and his teammates loved him too
 
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DuncanMacpherson said:
Also, Although the Tavares injury isn’t Dubas fault. Dubas is at fault for us not having a third line center that can jump into a 2C role when needed due to injury. Kerfoot is not that guy, despite the fact that he’s paying him like he is. Keefe had no confidence in Kerfoot at 2C he was juggling the lines all series trying out Foligno and Engvel in Tavares role. Dubas and Keefe should have been more prepared for the possibility of one of our top 2 centres going down.
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And yet Kerfoot was one of the few who showed up for the playoffs and Nylander had his best playoff outing playing along side him. Keefe may have tried out other players in Tavares spot but it was Kerfoot who got the job done and I am someone who hasn't been that high on him. Gotta give kudos where they are due.
 
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Racer88 said:
Kadri sure as heck wouldn’t have allowed someone to rag doll him while covering it with an embarrassing laugh.
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For all of Kadris knucklehead decisions the one thing he was not is soft and passive. Over the line stupid sometimes? yep, but there was no denying his moxy, which this team has been lacking.
 
myleafs said:
And yet Kerfoot was one of the few who showed up for the playoffs and Nylander had his best playoff outing playing along side him. Keefe may have tried out other players in Tavares spot but it was Kerfoot who got the job done and I am someone who hasn't been that high on him. Gotta give kudos where they are due.
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You can’t take that away from Kerfoot, he really came in to his own after the first third of the season and played really well. He might just be better again this year. I respect his work ethic. It’s strong
 
Rob Brown said:
He mooned her with his boxers on. If you or I did that it wouldn't even have been reported. It also wasn't even the worst thing Matthews and/or his friends did that night, so I don't know why you keep bringing it up.
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I don’t flash women so I wouldn’t know
 
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