Has Dubas failed at his job?

[sparxx87]

Tavares would have made that everywhere, so while he might overpaid as a 2nd. line center, that was market price for Tavares.

Penguins are Crosby-Malkin down the middle, but they're winners.

Crosby and Malkin are two of the top 5 players of this generation. Matthews will never be Crosby, Tavares will never be Malkin..

… but combined the Leafs duo STILL makes roughly $4.5M more on the cap.

That’s pure lunacy.

 

[fahad203]

Agreed, and I don’t trust Holtby or Lehner, either.

I think Freddy Anderson is primed for a bounce back, and some in Leaf nation will wonder why they moved on. He was injured last year and been overworked for several… I’m a fan and excited to see what he does with a new opportunity on a better team.

Certain teams values certain positions

Sakic paid premium price for Kuemper. He knows even with star studded forwards, what his biggest short coming. He goes out, pays good price and gets Kuemper
In my opinion, this will be the biggest leafs non move. Some would argue, we didn't have assets to give up. Well, I guess we can't then complain if we get medicore results

Boston pays good money for Ullmark. Even though Rask is poised to come back and Swayman looks promising
That's an area they wont' take any chances in. Goes out, gets the best FA goalie
Could have gone with Halak and offered him a contract. Nope, just goes out, gets the best goalie available

People here were shittting on Anderson. I wish him nothing but the best
I think he was highly under appreciated

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

unless presidents trophy is your Stanley Cup, I think you answered your own question.

It is that simple.

My point is its not as black and white as failed or not.

You can analyze different parts of his job he's done well (Drafting) or poorly (core 4 $).

We are one of the best regular season teams which is a very underrated and important step to get to the ultimate goal. Can't be ignored.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Many markets would kill to have a team that can make the playoffs every year. It sucks that they don't get very far into the playoffs, but you guys need to keep things in perspective.

A storied franchise like the Leafs can't think like that. Everyone should be extremely disappointed with how the last two years played out.

 

[Gary Nylund]

My point is its not as black and white as failed or not.

You can analyze different parts of his job he's done well (Drafting) or poorly (core 4 $).

We are one of the best regular season teams which is a very underrated and important step to get to the ultimate goal. Can't be ignored.

He took over a team that was just outside the top 5 and we're in exactly the same place today despite trading away a bunch of picks.

 

[ACC1224]

My point is its not as black and white as failed or not.

You can analyze different parts of his job he's done well (Drafting) or poorly (core 4 $).

We are one of the best regular season teams which is a very underrated and important step to get to the ultimate goal. Can't be ignored.

IMO, the drafting well is more wishful thinking then fact until drafted players start making contributions to the team.

 

[ULF_55]

IMO, the drafting well is more wishful thinking then fact until drafted players start making contributions to the team.

Yes, I don't see any "drafting well" results.

Too soon to judge, but going back a few GM's it isn't pretty.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

His tenure isn't over yet but if we're judging him up to this day, he's been an abject failure. o playoff series wins and multiple embarrassing collapses, overpaying everyone, mediocre drafting. Not much to like other than signing Brodie.

 

[tmlms13]

Every season all but one GM fails at their job.

It's all about perspective. Dubas gave the Leafs every opportunity possible to win last year and the players let him down.

 

[mydnyte]

GM's Job is to get the players that the coach can use to have on ice success ...I say the GM fulfilled that role.
Anyone who says otherwise cannot complain about the playoff collapse since you must have thought the team was not good enough to win, and they were doomed to fail from the start!
If you though we should have beaten Montreal, and gone further in the playoffs, then the GM did his job!

It's the coaches job to get the players to perform to the best of their ability and to put the best lineup on the ice to get the job done. ...I say the coach failed in both regards there.

 

[ToneDog]

GM's Job is to get the players that the coach can use to have on ice success ...I say the GM fulfilled that role.
Anyone who says otherwise cannot complain about the playoff collapse since you must have thought the team was not good enough to win, and they were doomed to fail from the start!
If you though we should have beaten Montreal, and gone further in the playoffs, then the GM did his job!

It's the coaches job to get the players to perform to the best of their ability and to put the best lineup on the ice to get the job done. ...I say the coach failed in both regards there.

I agree Dubas acquired the needed pieces at the TDL, unfortunately Foligno was injured, and Nash was not ready. Rittich and Hutton were good insurance although Hutton was not available for personal reasons when Muzz went down. Unfortunately the cap hell Dubas put himself in (yes can't blame him for flat cap) is going to be his demise IMO.

 

[mydnyte]

I agree Dubas acquired the needed pieces at the TDL, unfortunately Foligno was injured, and Nash was not ready. Rittich and Hutton were good insurance although Hutton was not available for personal reasons when Muzz went down. Unfortunately the cap hell Dubas put himself in (yes can't blame him for flat cap) is going to be his demise IMO.

i'm sorry, but, this is the biggest false excuse going 80% of the league is in 'Cap Hell' every team in the playoffs is in cap hell, at least our cap hell has 4 star players and not 5.5million Hymans, that's GM inflicted cap hell! or having to give away players/picks to resign average players, or just to get under the cap like other teams had to do, thats cap hell.

 

[Suntouchable13]

GM's Job is to get the players that the coach can use to have on ice success ...I say the GM fulfilled that role.
Anyone who says otherwise cannot complain about the playoff collapse since you must have thought the team was not good enough to win, and they were doomed to fail from the start!
If you though we should have beaten Montreal, and gone further in the playoffs, then the GM did his job!

It's the coaches job to get the players to perform to the best of their ability and to put the best lineup on the ice to get the job done. ...I say the coach failed in both regards there.

The coach has his faults, but the players lack killer instinct and it can not be taught (according to Shanny). Yet they are sticking with the core. Now, I don’t expect to go out of the 1st round anymore. That failure will now be on Dubie.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

IMO, the drafting well is more wishful thinking then fact until drafted players start making contributions to the team.

Of course its wishful thinking, speculation or optimism. It always will be when it comes to prospects but you can still say the drafting is looking good based on progression.

If we look back at previous regimes and look at the progression of the prospects at the time after their draft years, its easy to see that our current prospects are doing quite well in comparison.

 

[ACC1224]

Of course its wishful thinking, speculation or optimism. It always will be when it comes to prospects but you can still say the drafting is looking good based on progression.

If we look back at previous regimes and look at the progression of the prospects at the time after their draft years, its easy to see that our current prospects are doing quite well in comparison.

I'm not a prospect guy so I will take your word for it on the 'progression'. That's great if it's looking good.
Curious, how much did the pandemic affect where players played and the quality of the opposition? Could that have had something to do with the progression?

IMO, I don't really care how it compares to 'past regimes'. I only care about this edition.

 

[fahad203]

The coach has his faults, but the players lack killer instinct and it can not be taught (according to Shanny). Yet they are sticking with the core. Now, I don’t expect to go out of the 1st round anymore. That failure will now be on Dubie.

That should go back to the management team to find a mix or offset that. When Tempa lost to Columbus, they made some significant changes that brought in players were tough to play against and teams like Columbus

Maroon, Coleman, Savard, Goodrow..... None of these are former all stars hoping to get their touches back.
They weren't coming from off seasons, they weren't coming back from to resurrect their career.

They were playing and active. They were in their best game

Every player we got is a resurrection project and hoping they would become their former self

Joe Thornton. Hoping he can have a magical year with the Leafs
Simmonds, who was done 5 years ago. Hoping he can be tough as he was
Vesey, maybe he can be that guy we thought who won Hobey Baker
Barabanov, hoping he would be our panarin
Gally, hoping he can be that Gally with the Habs and may get us secondary goals

All based on hopes. Tempa made changes based on their games and current teams they may face

So sure, Dubas made changes and got some house hold names. But he's about 5 years behing on those players

 

[mapleleaf979]

FIRE DUBAS , he is JFJ part 2. He is destroying the team, then brown nosing the media, its pathetic.

 

[mydnyte]

The coach has his faults, but the players lack killer instinct and it can not be taught (according to Shanny). Yet they are sticking with the core. Now, I don’t expect to go out of the 1st round anymore. That failure will now be on Dubie.

i agree with this ...if this core fails again, its time to break it up, but, last season's playoff failure was 100% on the coaching decisions.
Hyman on the #1 line and PP, Thornton in the lineup at all, not stacking lines when we needed a kickstart, not breaking lines when they were ineffective etc etc etc.
never having the team ready to play from the drop of the puck, thats all on the coach (and players) not the GM
the GM has the easiest job, but, Buffalo was a good year ahead of us in the rebuild, and look at them, and the Oilers have had more 1st overall draft picks than some teams have had 1st round draft picks, and they still have no depth at any position, and are in essence a 2 player team (they are just lucky one is the best player in the world, and the other is arguable for #2 right now).

 

[mydnyte]

FIRE DUBAS , he is JFJ part 2. He is destroying the team, then brown nosing the media, its pathetic.

bold statement, now, please back it up...

JFJ was a patsy with no stones to do what he wanted, and knew the team needed (a tear down and rebuild rather than a retool), and he ruined the team as a result.
this is easy to prove factually, now, show me what Dubas has done to 'destroy' the team?

 

[mikeyz]

I still can’t believe MTL won that series, they had a horseshoe up their ass. Leafs win that 9 out of 10 times. That said, the results have not been good enough under Dubas tenure

TBH with you. After we lost game 5, I knew we were going to lose that series. I called it.

 

[mikeyz]

bold statement, now, please back it up...

JFJ was a patsy with no stones to do what he wanted, and knew the team needed (a tear down and rebuild rather than a retool), and he ruined the team as a result.
this is easy to prove factually, now, show me what Dubas has done to 'destroy' the team?

Would you like that list alphabetically? or by category?

 

[mydnyte]

Would you like that list alphabetically? or by category?

thats a cop out non-answer

 

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Sam Jose offered JT 13 million

Would have been way better if Tavares had signed in San Jose!

Man, did San Jose ever dodge a bullet on that one!

 

[mikeyz]

thats a cop out non-answer

Look at @PromisedLand post from yesterday. He listed it perfectly.

 

[notbias]

Crosby and Malkin are two of the top 5 players of this generation. Matthews will never be Crosby, Tavares will never be Malkin..

… but combined the Leafs duo STILL makes roughly $4.5M more on the cap.

That’s pure lunacy.

I don't think you understand how the cap works.