Yup. Especially if the Leafs stumble out of the gate or are treading water for a playoff spot come January.
Has Dubas failed at his job?
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Yup. Especially if the Leafs stumble out of the gate or are treading water for a playoff spot come January.
This post right here is EXACTLY why I think Dubas is bordering on JFJ level bad during his tenure here.
Because at least JFJ was strong armed into going for it. He wanted a rebuild at the time. Plus, he didn’t have anywhere near the offensively talented goodies Dubas had when he took over as you listed above.
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He royally screwed up with the contracts -- paying young players before they've done anything... I mean, that's just indefensible. You directly handicapped your team by not having enough depth (in a sport where depth is probably the BIGGEST reason you win championships), and it is coming back to haunt you.
HOWEVER, it's not like he signed inferior players, he has legit stars/superstars that have shown what their potential is. He has talent on his team from top to bottom.
The real issue is that the stars never show up (alongside coaches that are unable to make adjustments when required -- Keefe). Dubas isn't on the ice now, is he? He has done all he can to ice a team that should be contending for titles.
He has not failed at his job, but he has jumped the gun too early. That is for sure.
HOWEVER, it's not like he signed inferior players, he has legit stars/superstars that have shown what their potential is. He has talent on his team from top to bottom.
The real issue is that the stars never show up (alongside coaches that are unable to make adjustments when required -- Keefe). Dubas isn't on the ice now, is he? He has done all he can to ice a team that should be contending for titles.
He has not failed at his job, but he has jumped the gun too early. That is for sure.
It’s all relative to where they started. Dubas inherited a franchise centre who won the Calder and scored 40 goals, still on ELC, on top of two recent drafted top 10 wingers with elite offensive talent still on ELC’s to go with prime aged top 15 d man and top 10 goalie.
This was an enviable group to take over and he’s made a complete mess. His vision has turned them into an embarrassment… Literally punchline after punchline.
Nobody has done less with more than Kyle Dubas and it’s not even close.
Worst hire in the history of the franchise.
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He may not be the worst (yet) but he had the table set for him like no other GM in prior history.
At the end of his tenure he could absolutely be at the head of that list because of that.
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Yikes...good stuff PL. After reading the above how can those votes be so close. Nuttyville.
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What exactly have those assets accomplished?
Perhaps they not players who perform well under pressure?
It could be he trusted them in error.
His failure is he didn't move them?
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his failure is he can't build a deep team that's needed to win a cup when he spent over 33m on 3 forwards , especially when JT/MM are a combined 4/5m overpaid
Our 2nd line centre makes 11mil per year. When you (the royal you) take a step back and have a think about it, it's absolutely insane.
At the end of the day, a GM's success is intrinsically tied with the team's overall success - Leaf's regular and playoff record speaks for GM's level of success.
It's really that simple and doesn't need 10 pages of threads to debate.
It's really that simple and doesn't need 10 pages of threads to debate.
Nothing, which only further questions why Dubas chose to pay them as if they had. Most players who want an elite price tag before they earn it make more sense to bridge. Not only to lower the cap but often extend team control.
They aren’t… but you could have said the same thing about Tampa when they got swept by Columbus… They saw it as a construction and mix issue, not a lack of talent. They addressed these issues and haven’t looked back since..
… Dubas can’t do this because of his cap structure and his habit of trading 1st round picks.
He misjudged a lot of things. Marner’s value to winning is just another one on the list.
Yes, he should have traded Marner and never signed an $11M UFA to be his 2nd line centre a year before key RFA negotiations.
No matter what angle you take, he’s made so many bad decisions prompted by pressure to correct previous bad decisions.
His biggest failure to this date has been hiring and keeping Keefe
There's simply no getting around that. McPhee in Vegas fired Gallant after having successful playoff run and going to the finals
Lou Lam would have canned his cass for making a mockery of this organization by losing to zamboni driver
But Dubas is too loyal and too timid to fire his buddy
There's simply no getting around that. McPhee in Vegas fired Gallant after having successful playoff run and going to the finals
Lou Lam would have canned his cass for making a mockery of this organization by losing to zamboni driver
But Dubas is too loyal and too timid to fire his buddy
ULF_55
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Tavares would have made that everywhere, so while he might overpaid as a 2nd. line center, that was market price for Tavares.
Penguins are Crosby-Malkin down the middle, but they're winners.
When you have Vashlievsky a lot of your problems get solved
I was just talking to my friend last night over Sheesha about the Leafs
We haven't drafted a primier goalie who played for us in about 45 years. Rask should have been that guy, but we traded him before he played a single game
Potvin was the last goalie leafs drafted that played for us and was an all-star and had 3-4 good years
You simply can't win without a franchise goalie year in year out
Agreed… which makes it even more puzzling they committed 3 years to Mrazek; a goalie just cast away by a team who needs better goaltending in the playoffs.
Campbell is a very likeable guy but he’s a 1B… even if he performs as a 1A, how to they pay him next year? Will they keep a $3+M backup or let Campbell walk?
The goaltending situation may be his biggest mess.
It doesn't really bother me what the Penguins do or have done.
Our 2nd line centre has the 5th highest cap hit in the NHL. Our 2nd line centre.
It's irrelevant whether he would've made that everywhere. What does that have to do with our cap structure and how it effects us, the Maple Leafs?
I haven't seen enough of Mrazek, but whatever I have seen he has been very streaky. I'll give him a benefit of the doubt
Our last success was when we had CUJO and Belfour
When Pat Quinn became GM him and Mike Smith's first move was to get a premier goalie. Even though we had Potvin he goes out and gets CUJO and pays him good money
Then when he left he was replaecd with Belfour, who was also stellar for us
Primier goalie pays off, that's where we should have started and focus
I still maintain Kuemper should have been our focus
The old adage of ‘championship teams are built from the net out’ seems to reign true almost every year. If the goalie isn’t elite, the team defense in front of him better be or you aren’t going very far.
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Goaltending is one area where it would be nice to get another true #1 (Since Belfour anyone?), who steps up big, probably not someone like Hotby or Lehner though ... never know about keepers.
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You are correct, Tavares contract isn't the issue with the Leafs, it is irrelevant. Their cap issue is the two other double digits.
Agreed, and I don’t trust Holtby or Lehner, either.
I think Freddy Anderson is primed for a bounce back, and some in Leaf nation will wonder why they moved on. He was injured last year and been overworked for several… I’m a fan and excited to see what he does with a new opportunity on a better team.
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