Has Connor Bedard quietly became underrated ?

[Curufinwe]

If the cap is $93m in 25-26 and Bedard signed at the same cap percentage that Crosby did for his first contract in 2007, Bedard would be on 5 x $16,085,487.

 

[Brookbank]

Name a "generational" player who didn't torch the league at 18 years old.

McDavid didn't do enough torching to even win the Calder. On a team with 2 1st OA picks and Draisitle.

 

[Brookbank]

If the cap is $93m in 25-26 and Bedard signed at the same cap percentage that Crosby did for his first contract in 2007, Bedard would be on 5 x $16,085,487.

Point being ?

 

[NyQuil]

McDavid didn't do enough torching to even win the Calder. On a team with 2 1st OA picks and Draisitle.

It’s almost as if he took half a season off or something!

 

[hamzarocks]

At this point let Bedard and hawks play this season

If he is a generational player he will be a hart finalist or ross top 3/4 finisher this year

If he is an elite/franchise player he will get 85-95 pts

Lets see how his 2nd season goes.

Right now its an uphill battle as his D+1/rookie year was not of a generational players level

 

[MuckOG]

McDavid didn't do enough torching to even win the Calder. On a team with 2 1st OA picks and Draisitle.

McDavid still managed to put up a PPG season, something that Bedard couldn't do.

I just don't think that Bedard has the size to be able to replicate what other "generational" players have done. I think he will be one of the best players in the league for a long time (assuming good health) and will probably win some awards along the way. He may even be the best player in the league for a couple of years. I just don't see him finishing his career and being thought of like a Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby or McDavid.

He's closer to a Kane, Kucherov, Datsyuk type of tier. All time great players, but not "generational".

 

[nbwingsfan]

Which really doesn't matter. We don't attach the "generational" tag on an NHL player because of what they did in juniors. It's about what they do in the NHL.

Neither Crosby (20 years) or McDavid (9 years) have EVER had a sub-PPG season in the NHL. Bedard will never match them because he already has a sub-PPG season.

Neither Crosby or McDavid played on a team that had 179 GF

 

[MuckOG]

Neither Crosby or McDavid played on a team that had 179 GF

Just another excuse. A generational player is good enough to rise above playing on a bad team. The 05-06 Penguins and Capitals were no juggernauts, yet both Crosby and Ovechkin had monster seasons.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

A lot of people are gonna look really stupid for stuff they said in this thread

 

[MuckOG]

A lot of people are gonna look really stupid for stuff they said in this thread

Are you honestly saying that in 15 years, Bedard will be put in this group:

Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid.........and Bedard?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Are you honestly saying that in 15 years, Bedard will be put in this group:

Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid.........and Bedard?

Is that what you got out of my post?

 

[MuckOG]

Is that what you got out of my post?

I thought that's what you were getting at. My apologies if I was mistaken.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I thought that's what you were getting at. My apologies if I was mistaken.

I'm not taking part in this little slap fight you guys are having. Carry on

 

[nbwingsfan]

Just another excuse. A generational player is good enough to rise above playing on a bad team. The 05-06 Penguins and Capitals were no juggernauts, yet both Crosby and Ovechkin had monster seasons.

Ovechkin was 20. And Washington scored 58 more goals than Chicago

Pittsburgh scored 65 more goals

These are facts.

 

[Brookbank]

McDavid still managed to put up a PPG season, something that Bedard couldn't do.

I just don't think that Bedard has the size to be able to replicate what other "generational" players have done. I think he will be one of the best players in the league for a long time (assuming good health) and will probably win some awards along the way. He may even be the best player in the league for a couple of years. I just don't see him finishing his career and being thought of like a Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby or McDavid.

He's closer to a Kane, Kucherov, Datsyuk type of tier. All time great players, but not "generational".

McDavid was under PPG in U-20 competition.

Bedard set a new record for most points (23) and assists (14) by a Canadian at a single world junior tournament. He also passed Jaromir Jagr for the most points by a player aged 18 years or younger at the U-20 tourney.

Bedard has also inked his name all over Canada’s record book in terms of world junior career numbers, putting up 36 points over 16 tournament games. He passed Eric Lindros who had 31 total in 21 career games. Bedard was able to break his record in just 14 games.

The new NHL is built for smaller players. As we can see with Quinn Hughs et al

 

[Brookbank]

Are you honestly saying that in 15 years, Bedard will be put in this group:

Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid.........and Bedard?

He's already in that group. Beating Lindros and Jagrs junior records in the modern era, something Mcdavid wasn't able to do , puts him there by default.

And that's nothing against Mcdavid.

 

[Shocker]

McDavid didn't do enough torching to even win the Calder. On a team with 2 1st OA picks and Draisitle.

Yes, continue doing discussing in bad faith, it's working so well so far.

Also, Bedard is closer to overrated than underrated, would say fairly rated now.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Ovechkin was 20. And Washington scored 58 more goals than Chicago

Pittsburgh scored 65 more goals

These are facts.

They dont like facts. They also thought Faber would win the Calder last year. They don't know anything, just ignore them.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I'm not taking part in this little slap fight you guys are having. Carry on

"A lot of people are going to look stupid" then refuses to take an actual position, great contribution!

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Crosby topped out at 120 points in his second year.

That's still twice as many points as Bedard had last year

He's already in that group. Beating Lindros and Jagrs junior records in the modern era, something Mcdavid wasn't able to do , puts him there by default.

And that's nothing against Mcdavid.

Bedard is a generational junior hockey player
McDavid is a generational professional hockey player

McDavid was under PPG in U-20 competition.

Bedard set a new record for most points (23) and assists (14) by a Canadian at a single world junior tournament. He also passed Jaromir Jagr for the most points by a player aged 18 years or younger at the U-20 tourney.

Bedard has also inked his name all over Canada’s record book in terms of world junior career numbers, putting up 36 points over 16 tournament games. He passed Eric Lindros who had 31 total in 21 career games. Bedard was able to break his record in just 14 games.

The new NHL is built for smaller players. As we can see with Quinn Hughs et al

And yet he's still a significantly worse NHL player than McDavid.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Ovechkin was 20. And Washington scored 58 more goals than Chicago

Pittsburgh scored 65 more goals

These are facts.

The fact that Chicago's depth lines couldn't score isn't a great excuse for why Bedard struggled. Generational talents are expected to produce, no excuses. Crosby outscored the next highest Penguin by 44 points. Meanwhile, Bedard scored all of 7 more points than Kurashev, and wasn't even the best 5v5 goal scorer on his team - that honor again belonged to Jason ****kin Dickinson, who finished with more 5v5 goals and a higher 5v5 g/60 than Bedard. Dickinson also finished with career highs in goals and points last year (and no, that had nothing to do with Bedard, they didn't even together until the very end of the year, when Bedard was moved to his wing).

 

[MuckOG]

McDavid was under PPG in U-20 competition.

Bedard set a new record for most points (23) and assists (14) by a Canadian at a single world junior tournament. He also passed Jaromir Jagr for the most points by a player aged 18 years or younger at the U-20 tourney.

Bedard has also inked his name all over Canada’s record book in terms of world junior career numbers, putting up 36 points over 16 tournament games. He passed Eric Lindros who had 31 total in 21 career games. Bedard was able to break his record in just 14 games.

The new NHL is built for smaller players. As we can see with Quinn Hughs et al

Nobody cares about junior numbers when it comes to determining NHL generational players. The following players are there because of what they did in the NHL, not juniors. What are Ovechkin's CHL numbers? Oh, he didn't play in the CHL did he? Crazy that this even needs to be explained.

Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid = NHL Generational Players.

You might think that Bedard will one day join that group, but he's not there yet and, personally, I don't think he ever will be. Only time will tell for sure.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Are you honestly saying that in 15 years, Bedard will be put in this group:

Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid.........and Bedard?

Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux are not in the same group as Crosby and Ovechkin.

Pretty substantial gap between the two.

 

[Acallabeth]

Did you say the same about Mcdavid after his first season ? Just because he's assumed to be generational , doesn't mean he was supposed to "torch the league" at 18 years old.

But McDavid did torch the league at 18 years old, he was 3rd in the NHL in PPG. Bedard was 58th.

Ovechkin was 20. And Washington scored 58 more goals than Chicago

Sounds like poor Connor had no help at all! That 20-year-old Ovechkin had participation on 44% of Capitals goals, and the lone warrior Bedard had points on 34% of Hawks goals proves it... oh wait. #facts

Listen, 22 goals and 61 points is a fine rookie season. Bedard will only improve on it. No need to present it like it's comparable to the rookie seasons of the greatest phenoms NHL has ever seen.

 

[jigglysquishy]

The issue I have with the term generational is that there is no widely accepted definition and these discussions always follow semantics on the definition itself.

As long as generational means 5 different things it doesn't actually mean anything.