Has Connor Bedard quietly became underrated ?

[jigglysquishy]

The issue I have with the term generational is that there is no widely accepted definition and these discussions always follow semantics on the definition itself.

As long as generational means 5 different things it doesn't actually mean anything.

 

[Crow]

At this point let Bedard and hawks play this season

If he is a generational player he will be a hart finalist or ross top 3/4 finisher this year

If he is an elite/franchise player he will get 85-95 pts

Lets see how his 2nd season goes.

Right now its an uphill battle as his D+1/rookie year was not of a generational players level

He’s not going to be a hart finalist even if he wins the art ross. Why don’t you understand that? And it doesn’t really matter if he reaches his peak this year. It could be in two years.

 

[hamzarocks]

He’s not going to be a hart finalist even if he wins the art ross. Why don’t you understand that?

If he wins the ross the hawks will be a playoff team and he will be a hart favorite

He can also be a hart finalist if hawks finish just outside the playoffs

We have seen Norris Winners going to Fox and Karlsson despite missing the playoffs in 2021 and 2023

 

[Crow]

If he wins the ross the hawks will be a playoff team and he will be a hart favorite

No they won’t.

 

[MuckOG]

The issue I have with the term generational is that there is no widely accepted definition and these discussions always follow semantics on the definition itself.

As long as generational means 5 different things it doesn't actually mean anything.

This is a huge part of it. Because it's a subjective term, there will always be disagreements about who deserves the tag of "generational"

Personally, I look at a "generational" player as one that is one of the top 1 or 2 players in the NHL over an extended period of time. Players that were clearly ahead of the other players of their time. Orr dominated the early 70's, Gretzky dominated the 80's and early 90's, Lemieux dominated the late 80's and 90's, Crosby and Ovechkin the mid-00's until McDavid came on the scene who is the clear generational talent of this period of time until another player says otherwise.

 

[GOilers88]

The issue I have with the term generational is that there is no widely accepted definition and these discussions always follow semantics on the definition itself.

As long as generational means 5 different things it doesn't actually mean anything.

It just seems to mean really good player. Everyone is generational these days, ask Vladdy Jr.

 

[nbwingsfan]

The fact that Chicago's depth lines couldn't score isn't a great excuse for why Bedard struggled. Generational talents are expected to produce, no excuses. Crosby outscored the next highest Penguin by 44 points. Meanwhile, Bedard scored all of 7 more points than Kurashev, and wasn't even the best 5v5 goal scorer on his team - that honor again belonged to Jason ****kin Dickinson, who finished with more 5v5 goals and a higher 5v5 g/60 than Bedard. Dickinson also finished with career highs in goals and points last year (and no, that had nothing to do with Bedard, they didn't even together until the very end of the year, when Bedard was moved to his wing).

Ohh man. So many bad faith arguments in here I don’t even know where to start.

Crosby outscored the next highest penguin by 44pts because Palffy was injured/retired and Recchi was traded. Both were on pace for around a PPG

Bedard only outscored his teammates by 7pts because he missed 14 games.

By your logic, McDavid was garbage his rookie season because he was only 3rd on his team in points, right?

But McDavid did torch the league at 18 years old, he was 3rd in the NHL in PPG. Bedard was 58th.

Sounds like poor Connor had no help at all! That 20-year-old Ovechkin had participation on 44% of Capitals goals, and the lone warrior Bedard had points on 34% of Hawks goals proves it... oh wait. #facts

Listen, 22 goals and 61 points is a fine rookie season. Bedard will only improve on it. No need to present it like it's comparable to the rookie seasons of the greatest phenoms NHL has ever seen.

Yes and Ovi was 20. Let’s see how Bedard does in two years to compare

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Ohh man. So many bad faith arguments in here I don’t even know where to start.

Crosby outscored the next highest penguin by 44pts because Palffy was injured/retired and Recchi was traded. Both were on pace for around a PPG

And with Palffy and Recchi gone, Crosby scored 33 points in his final 19 games of the season, a 142 point pace with Andy Hilbert and Colby Armstrong as his wingers. In those 19 games, he built up a 13 point lead on the next highest scoring Penguin, which prorates to 56 points over an 82 game season.

Bedard only outscored his teammates by 7pts because he missed 14 games.

He only played 8 less games than Kurashev, and only 80 less minutes. He was never going to come close to the type of separation we saw from Sid. Give him those games/minutes back and he maybe scores 13-15 more points than Kurashev in 75 games.

Crosby created that same gap in 19 games.

What's your excuse for him scoring less goals and goals per 60 than Jason Dickinson? I noticed you completely ignored that. I'd love to hear your excuses for his WC play as well, but I'm sure that'll be ignored

It's funny watching people like you simultaneously worship at the altar of junior hockey stats while attempting to discredit actual NHL performance.