Hartman fined for intentionally high sticking Perfetti

[AKL]

As a jet fan I hope kaprizov is out as long as ehlers was. And I hope Russo loses his mind explaing how a play that happens 100x a game was deliberate attemp to injure.

My gut tells me it's just a coincidence that the innocent lil Jets players keep targeting key Wild players in parts of the body they've had injuries to in the past, but I'm just not sure. What do you think?

 

[Mr Kotter]

Alexa define "dirty hockey team"

For reference the Winnipeg Jets are 25th

 

[Jets 31]

Hartman is such a weasel he probably didn't do it on purpose but after he saw it was little Perfetti he said he did it on purpose. Wouldn't have said shit to Dillon or Lowry .

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I have said this many times before but when you employ players like Hartman who don't answer the bell for their shitty style of hockey, then teams just stop giving a dam about anyone on your team and its open season on guys like Kaprisov

You reap what you sow

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I have said this many times before but when you employ players like Hartman who don't answer the bell for their shitty style of hockey, then teams just stop giving a dam about anyone on your team and its open season on guys like Kaprisov

You reap what you sow

And that’s the bottom line.

Well said Joseph.

 

[HTFN]

Some people have already noted this but I have a hard time using mic material as evidence when there's an element of gamesmanship remaining there to try to piss somebody off and get them thinking about things other than playing hockey. Granted, Hartman's probably still guilty if we're just eyeballing history and a willingness to toe the line but there's a non-zero chance he or another player could be spinning something they didn't do particularly intentionally.

Don't like it as precedent, just punish the action if it was bad enough to merit that or invite him for a serious conversation about targeting and premeditation and put enough fear into him to stop him from doing that again, but I don't know if I like this.

 

[ref19]

High sticks Perfetti instead of going after Dillon who hurt Kaprizov with the cross-check.

Classic bitch move .

Dillon had already gotten his head punched in by Middleton

I have said this many times before but when you employ players like Hartman who don't answer the bell for their shitty style of hockey, then teams just stop giving a dam about anyone on your team and its open season on guys like Kaprisov

You reap what you sow

Hartman answers the bell lol. He actually beat Dillon in a fight a few years back.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Dillon had already gotten his head punched in by Middleton

Exactly. So one of the teammates needs to tell the little boy to sit down or drop some gloves if his feelings are still hurt.

Play some hockey once in a while Hartman.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Dillon had already gotten his head punched in by Middleton


Hartman answers the bell lol. He actually beat Dillon in a fight a few years back.

He turtled after the Ehlers hit last year and he basically showed his true colors after being caught on the mic high sticking Perfetti

Guy is class A scumbag. No wonder you guys have to bring in every wannabe tough guy to your lineup

 

[BoneDocUK]

Defending no, but I am guessing it’s partly about the trash talk and F bombs they let through live on the air. If they didn’t have the on ice audio inexplicably turned on at the time this would have been nothing.

These teams have extreme bad blood going back to their playoff series. Maybe the league should have done something about the Jets bounty board when it came out and you wouldn’t have a bunch of Wild players feeling like on ice retribution was the only recourse. Big Buff paid his teammates $2k for breaking Parise’s Sternum. Since then the Jets have permanently injured Suter, Granlund, and Kaprizov twice, none of the plays punished equitably among a whole slew of traded sleights and cheap shots between the teams.

Injuries are going to happen and are unfortunate, but when a coach has a board up in the locker room with the names of impact players and a $ amount written next to them, and then those players do get injured, often via shots specifically at known prior injury locations, it is going to make players very angry and the players here are still the same.

???

This sounds like a sequence from an @AKL fever dream.

It also sounds like something that would never have been countenanced by the Jets coaching staff, management, ownership of the league.

In short, it sounds like a load of bollocks made up to sustain a narrative of victimhood and vendetta that might have made sense in a bus league in 1975.

Hartman has a track record of cynical attempt to injure and suspensions. Infamous Wild bogeyman and occasional Jet Big Logan Stanley has a record of falling over, usually on himself, sometimes on his teammates, but thankfully rarely on a player he's supposedly defending. That play was 5 star doofus worthy, and unfortunately injurious, but accidental.

I hate seeing great players injured, and that includes Kap. But I'm not sure what any of that has to do with noted non-goon Cole Perfetti and a random faceoff.

 

[jetsv2]

Some people have already noted this but I have a hard time using mic material as evidence when there's an element of gamesmanship remaining there to try to piss somebody off and get them thinking about things other than playing hockey. Granted, Hartman's probably still guilty if we're just eyeballing history and a willingness to toe the line but there's a non-zero chance he or another player could be spinning something they didn't do particularly intentionally.

Don't like it as precedent, just punish the action if it was bad enough to merit that or invite him for a serious conversation about targeting and premeditation and put enough fear into him to stop him from doing that again, but I don't know if I like this.

The mic had zero impact on the fine so we can drop that narrative right now.

 

[HTFN]

The mic had zero impact on the fine so we can drop that narrative right now.

I bet you he doesn't get fined without it, all the NHL has to do is say "nah we totally didn't factor that in, bro" and not get their part also recorded on hot mic and they're good.

It was a high stick but it didn't look like a high stick that would normally be seeing fines.

 

[Romang67]

Source?

The finest strings of yarn connecting names and pictures on an evidence board you ever did see, I assume.

Other than that, after a little bit of googling, there does no appear to have been any major, minor, or existing reporting on this. Maybe the league didn't act because no one ever reported on it. Or because it literally never happened. Who knows.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I bet you he doesn't get fined without it, all the NHL has to do is say "nah we totally didn't factor that in, bro" and not get their part also recorded on hot mic and they're good.

It was a high stick, it didn't look like a high stick that would normally be seeing fines.

Wild speculation.

I think he would have been suspended but Perfetti was micd and given the cab agreement they were Hesitant because they didn’t want anyone to think the mic impacted the discipline.

No mic and Hartman would have been suspended. Shame.

 

[God]

The mic had zero impact on the fine so we can drop that narrative right now.

Thank you for sharing the link - I kind of doubt that you can conclusively say the high stick was intentional without the audio, so I do wonder if the NHLPA steps in here.

 

[Atoyot]

The finest strings of yarn connecting names and pictures on an evidence board you ever did see, I assume.

Other than that, after a little bit of googling, there does no appear to have been any major, minor, or existing reporting on this. Maybe the league didn't act because no one ever reported on it. Or because it literally never happened. Who knows.

Yeah I immediately did some Google searching and unsurprisingly found nothing at all, still curious to see where they got it from though.

 

[MikeyMike01]

What did he actually say?

‘Payback’ doesn’t automatically mean it was intentional.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Mixed feelings about this. He deserves the fine, obviously. But I don’t love using the mics in this manner. The point of mic’ing up a player is to get a glimpse into the raw emotion of the game at ice level, not to build evidence for DOPS cases.

Well it certainly did catch the raw emotion. Not the mics fault Hartman is a dumbass grease ball

 

[Atoyot]

I bet you he doesn't get fined without it, all the NHL has to do is say "nah we totally didn't factor that in, bro" and not get their part also recorded on hot mic and they're good.

It was a high stick but it didn't look like a high stick that would normally be seeing fines.

I think if they could factor in the mic it would be a suspension.

 

[Finnflash]

I’m not sure what the identity of the wild is right now. I’ll admit I didn’t pay much attention to who they signed or their roster in general but holy smokes they have a lot of not very smart players.

In the end the Jets beat them in all games that are important.

Jets win

 

[HTFN]

Wild speculation.

It's a Wild thread.

I'm just calling it how I see it, if you showed me that play and never said a thing about the mic'd up content I'd... well, call it a high stick and never think about it again. The thing about bias is that once you know it, it's hard to remove it. That's why jury selection is important, and I absolutely do not trust the NHL to take that kind of extra step to make sure the people deliberating don't know about the information they're not allowed to use.

I think if they could factor in the mic it would be a suspension.

Since we're doing conspiracies I think a suspension would require them to prove how they knew when it's 100% not a suspendable play on its own, while a fine can just be down to careless stick use in general and a request to stay lower on faceoffs

 

[ClydeLee]

The mic had zero impact on the fine so we can drop that narrative right now.

They also already finned him

.was anyone expecting them to go back and change the punishment? Have they ever gone back and upped a punishment?

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

It's a Wild thread.

lol. Well played!

 

[Aphid]

I am willing to bet this is a common occurrence of players intentionally trying to injure other players. You wonder why the players on your team get hurt? This is why a lot of times and it's not due to "hockey plays". Some of these players can never seem to control themselves like an adult.

Hartman is one of those players but he's too dumb to hide it better like others do.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

The finest strings of yarn connecting names and pictures on an evidence board you ever did see, I assume.

Other than that, after a little bit of googling, there does no appear to have been any major, minor, or existing reporting on this. Maybe the league didn't act because no one ever reported on it. Or because it literally never happened. Who knows.

It was in the Jets own media coverage at the time, they showed the board up in the locker room post game, and it leaked to the media but Buff implied it was for shutting them down, while smiling and handing a wad of cash to Scheifele and Chiarot after the Parise hit.

Without diving deep into 8 year old Jets YouTube coverage the below is a snippet of where these teams were at during the series and I don’t think there’s been any resolution since then.

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