Hartman fined for intentionally high sticking Perfetti

[AKL]

Hartman has received supplemental discipline from the NHL 9 times in his 8 year career. The entire Jets roster combined hasn't managed that. Imagine thinking you have a leg to stand on calling the Jets dirty.

Imagine thinking I care if you think I have a leg to stand on

 

[FlyguyOX]

Intent to injure, and only a fine? Sheesh

 

[Romang67]

Imagine thinking I care if I have a leg to stand on

I like it when people willingly admit that they don't actually have anything supporting what they say.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Hartman doesn't have much in the way of brains and is certainly dirty, but its also hard not to be frustrated when the same team hurts your star player 2 years in a row. I'm sure the jets would have done more than nothing if the wild had injured Connor a couple of times, not that I am defending anyone trying to injure or get revenge on any player but these things do happen all the time.

Yeah. We would have dropped the gloves. Fought. Won the game and moved on.

A pretty recent example is the ducks game where strome kneed Connor and took him out for 8 weeks.

No pathetic cross checks or anything dirty. Just played like men.

 

[AKL]

I like it when people willingly admit that they don't actually have anything supporting what they say.

No I just don't value your opinion on this topic, that's all. Nothing to do with support for my opinion or not.

 

[Romang67]

No I just don't value your opinion on this topic, that's all. Nothing to do with support for my opinion or not.

See how you don't actually argue against anything I'm saying?

That's also just admitting that you know you're wrong.

Of course, what are you supposed to say? Hartman has received supplemental discipline in fines and suspensions more times than he has full seasons in the league. Imagine having to root for that garbage.

 

[han316]

Wow. intent to injure only gets a fine... that's absolutely pathetic.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Imagine thinking I care if you think I have a leg to stand on

This is the antithesis of adult behavior, my dude. You're speaking on anger alone and blindly encouraging escalating violent behavior, how do you think that's going to end?

 

[Ezekial]

This is the antithesis of adult behavior, my dude. You're speaking on anger alone and blindly encouraging escalating violent behavior, how do you think that's going to end?

Him eating popcorn on his couch.

 

[DougBodger]

Has anyone actually heard the Hartman recording?

It's been reported that Hartman said it was payback after the high stick of Perfetti. If Hartman said he was going to high stick Perfetti prior to the incident, it shows intent. Afterward, I am not so sure...

It is very much plausible Hartman did not intentionally high stick Perfetti and only said he did it on purpose afterward to try and rile up Perfetti/the Jets.

 

[AKL]

This is the antithesis of adult behavior, my dude. You're speaking on anger and blindly encouraging escalating violent behavior, how do you think that's going to end?

Man this would carry a lot more weight with me if I didn't watch Jets fans defend and excuse their teams dirty behavior several times over the years, no different than I'm doing now.

So at this point I don't really care if you want to feign some perceived moral high ground. I just don't care. I don't gain anything by "being the bigger person" here, and I don't take you seriously for trying to be the bigger person now that your player is the victim.

 

[MardyBum]

The guy only gets a fine for that! Seems premeditated and targeted. Should be at least two games. So who gets retribution on Hartman and what does he do?

Dillon or Lowry will try to fight him, or one of their other enforcers. They're not going to highstick or headshot Boldy or something like that in retaliation.

Maybe they'll blow on Kaprizov and he'll be out another month though, wouldn't that be some karma

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Mixed feelings about this. He deserves the fine, obviously. But I don’t love using the mics in this manner. The point of mic’ing up a player is to get a glimpse into the raw emotion of the game at ice level, not to build evidence for DOPS cases.

I'm with you on this one.

All of the sudden we're going to start holding players accountable for their trash talk by assuming it's true? Guys will start getting suspended all over the place: "he called Marchand a rat - Marchand is actually a human! What a liar!" Start arresting guys for "I'm going to kill you" comments, treating them like actual threats to people's lives?

Who knows about Hartman's intent, even after he stated his "intent" in the midst of on-ice trash talk. Bad precedent to set, IMO. Maybe it was a total accident and he took advantage of it to try to send a "tough guy" message to a young kid. Or maybe it was premeditated. Who knows.

 

[Wasted Talent]

Hartman has received supplemental discipline from the NHL 9 times in his 8 year career. The entire Jets roster combined hasn't managed that. Imagine thinking you have a leg to stand on calling the Jets dirty.

Do we suddenly care about fines?

Scheifele alone has missed as many games to suspension as Hartman.

 

[Romang67]

The league will be a better place the day Hartman retires. Hopefully that's sooner rather than later.

Do we suddenly care about fines?

Scheifele alone has missed as many games to suspension as Hartman.

How many players in the league has been fined 7 times in their entire career?

This most recent time he was fined for a retaliatory high stick. Yeah, I'd say we should care about fines when it shows such a willful disregard to the wellbeing of other players.

 

[Guardian17]

Hartman has done this before.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Eagerly awaiting rational discourse from Wild fans defending this.

Defending no, but I am guessing it’s partly about the trash talk and F bombs they let through live on the air. If they didn’t have the on ice audio inexplicably turned on at the time this would have been nothing.

These teams have extreme bad blood going back to their playoff series. Maybe the league should have done something about the Jets bounty board when it came out and you wouldn’t have a bunch of Wild players feeling like on ice retribution was the only recourse. Big Buff paid his teammates $2k for breaking Parise’s Sternum. Since then the Jets have permanently injured Suter, Granlund, and Kaprizov twice, none of the plays punished equitably among a whole slew of traded sleights and cheap shots between the teams.

Injuries are going to happen and are unfortunate, but when a coach has a board up in the locker room with the names of impact players and a $ amount written next to them, and then those players do get injured, often via shots specifically at known prior injury locations, it is going to make players very angry and the players here are still the same.

 

[AKL]

The league will be a better place the day Hartman retires. Hopefully that's sooner rather than later.

Don't count on it. He just signed a contract extension and he's still a good player. I'd say he's got at least 5-6 years left.

 

[Minnesota]

Swap Perfetti with Bedard and it probably would have been a suspension.

Can’t say I’m surprised it’s just a fine with the DoPS’s history.

 

[Romang67]

Don't count on it. He just signed a contract extension and he's still a good player. I'd say he's got at least 5-6 years left.

Shame. Hopefully he'll have to retire despite his contract then.

 

[JoVel]

Mixed feelings about this. He deserves the fine, obviously. But I don’t love using the mics in this manner. The point of mic’ing up a player is to get a glimpse into the raw emotion of the game at ice level, not to build evidence for DOPS cases.

That's fair, but if you're saying you did it on purpose while being mic'd up, I think you deserve a suspension just for utter stupidity.

 

[Mr Kotter]

Hartman has done this before.

Imagine if one of your star players was injured by the "dirty Jets" (sarcasm)

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If Hartman just said " I bet one of you gets high sticked" he'd get a much more severe penalty.

 

[ffh]

As a jet fan I hope kaprizov is out as long as ehlers was. And I hope Russo loses his mind explaing how a play that happens 100x a game was deliberate attemp to injure.

 

[Atoyot]

Defending no, but I am guessing it’s partly about the trash talk and F bombs they let through live on the air. If they didn’t have the on ice audio inexplicably turned on at the time this would have been nothing.

These teams have extreme bad blood going back to their playoff series. Maybe the league should have done something about the Jets bounty board when it came out and you wouldn’t have a bunch of Wild players feeling like on ice retribution was the only recourse. Big Buff paid his teammates $2k for breaking Parise’s Sternum. Since then the Jets have permanently injured Suter, Granlund, and Kaprizov twice, none of the plays punished equitably among a whole slew of traded sleights and cheap shots between the teams.

Injuries are going to happen and are unfortunate, but when a coach has a board up in the locker room with the names of impact players and a $ amount written next to them, and then those players do get injured, often via shots specifically at known prior injury locations, it is going to make players very angry and the players here are still the same.

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