Value of: Hampus Lindholm &/or Rickard Rakell Auction!

[WhatTheDuck]

Lindholm to Boston for 1st + Lohrei
+ Steen

Rakell to NYR for Kravstov + 2nd

 

[Seachd]

I imagine lindholm at 50% goes to whoever offers best package of 1st + forward prospect.

Holloway/Bourgault + 1st

Uh, pretty sure you can count the Oilers out. I’d be stunned if Holland even considered giving up Holloway alone.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Uh, pretty sure you can count the Oilers out. I’d be stunned if Holland even considered giving up Holloway alone.

Which is fine, didn’t realistically expect them to be in on it was just listing possible trades in range of what I’d expect

 

[EpicDing]

Lindholm to Boston for 1st + Lohrei
+ Steen

Rakell to NYR for Kravstov + 2nd

I'd do that Rangers deal.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Friedman keeps linking him to Toronto but there is no way they can extend him

Do you know what teams he is negotiating with?

Friedman links everyone to Toronto

 

[wintersej]

Lindholm to Boston for 1st + Lohrei
+ Steen

Rakell to NYR for Kravstov + 2nd

How about we add Reilly/Forbort and deslauriers to the deal. Of course pending if the conversations between Lindholm and the Bruins are hopeful. No need to have a deal agreed on, per say, but with at least a good chance it’s not a rental.

 

[McJedi]

I feel like Rakell will be disappointing in terms of a return.

Lindholm probably gets the best package this deadline.

Mostly perception. Ducks should have traded Manson and Rakell a year or more ago. Would have received better value when those players carried more term/value and were not just rentals.

I think you’re right in Lindholm.

Jack Johnson has been not terrible for the Avs. He’s not good but he’s played reasonably well. Esp for a guy making $750k.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

How about we add Reilly/Forbort and deslauriers to the deal. Of course pending if the conversations between Lindholm and the Bruins are hopeful. No need to have a deal agreed on, per say, but with at least a good chance it’s not a rental.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but would Reilly be more of decent stop gap, vs Forbort being a pure cap dump? I could see taking back Reilly, but not if it affects the value of the young pieces included - the Ducks could conceivably sign someone like that in the summer if they want to, so no real need to give up value for him. If trading Lindholm with an extension, more likely we'd take one of those contracts in return in my opinion. If it's a rental trade, no reason to help the other team be able to try and sign him, as the Ducks should plan to be right in the mix for his services on July 1st.

I'll echo what others have said about Deslauriers. Unless someone pays something of really decent value, he probably means more to the Ducks roster than what he'd fetch in trade. One of the very best in the league at his role, which is an important one for this young team. I'm not saying anyone pays it, but I personally wouldn't move him unless the return is some sort of B asset (at least late 2nd or equivalent). Otherwise just sign him for another couple years.

 

[JimmyG89]

Rakell to rangers for 2nd + kravstov makes most sense to me

Rakell to NYR for Kravstov + 2nd

I think this is exactly the perfect trade for both teams (and one that @Zegs2comtois and I have talked about before). The Ducks get to give Kravtsov a chance at the NHL level. Obviously both teams are playing tonight and we can see that the right side is Terry and a bunch of guys at the moment.

Once the KHL season is done for him, could come straight over and be inserted into the lineup. Rangers get their right side situated having Rakell behind Lafreniere and Kakko (once he returns).

Is there any idea what Rakell is asking for on his next deal? Has to be some kind of a raise, right? If not, I'd think the Ducks would just keep him. $5M AAV?

 

[Just a Fan]

I'd love both on the Leafs, but for sure Lindholm. 1st+prospect of your choice (Robrtson/Knies/Niemila)

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but would Reilly be more of decent stop gap, vs Forbort being a pure cap dump? I could see taking back Reilly, but not if it affects the value of the young pieces included - the Ducks could conceivably sign someone like that in the summer if they want to, so no real need to give up value for him. If trading Lindholm with an extension, more likely we'd take one of those contracts in return in my opinion. If it's a rental trade, no reason to help the other team be able to try and sign him, as the Ducks should plan to be right in the mix for his services on July 1st.

I'll echo what others have said about Deslauriers. Unless someone pays something of really decent value, he probably means more to the Ducks roster than what he'd fetch in trade. One of the very best in the league at his role, which is an important one for this young team. I'm not saying anyone pays it, but I personally wouldn't move him unless the return is some sort of B asset (at least late 2nd or equivalent). Otherwise just sign him for another couple years.

Reilly and Forbort, I'd say have equal/similar value depending on your teams need of type of defenseman. Forbort types typically have more value going towards the playoffs imo.

I wouldn't say either are a strict cap dump, but would probably need to be included to make $$$ work especially if the Bruins were to try and re-sign Lindholm.

A pure cap dump would be John Moore. But I doubt he adds much to the trade.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I think this is exactly the perfect trade for both teams (and one that @Zegs2comtois and I have talked about before). The Ducks get to give Kravtsov a chance at the NHL level. Obviously both teams are playing tonight and we can see that the right side is Terry and a bunch of guys at the moment.

Once the KHL season is done for him, could come straight over and be inserted into the lineup. Rangers get their right side situated having Rakell behind Lafreniere and Kakko (once he returns).

Is there any idea what Rakell is asking for on his next deal? Has to be some kind of a raise, right? If not, I'd think the Ducks would just keep him. $5M AAV?

I don't recall seeing anything specific on Rakell's asking price but yeah that seems like the right ballpark.

 

[Mister Ed]

This has Yzerman written all over it.

- Verbeek is his old AGM
- Detroit needs a LHD
- Detroit does have some great prospects that might be available for the right deal (i.e. Viro, Niederbach, etc.) plus some extra high picks (WSH 2022 2nd).
- Detroit also has ample cap-space for Lindholm to extend.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

This has Yzerman written all over it.

- Verbeek is his old AGM
- Detroit needs a LHD
- Detroit does have some great prospects that might be available for the right deal (i.e. Viro, Niederbach, etc.) plus some extra high picks (WSH 2022 2nd).
- Detroit also has ample cap-space for Lindholm to extend.

I can't see it personally, after your most elite young pieces that I'd assume are untouchable, I don't think there's a prospect who makes a strong enough starting point for an extended Lindholm. Definitely can't picture what you've listed being the best pieces on the table, or really even getting a conversation started.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'd love both on the Leafs, but for sure Lindholm. 1st+prospect of your choice (Robrtson/Knies/Niemila)

Hell toss in stolarz and mrazk swap, while we’re at it

Lindholm + stolarz
For
1st + knies + mrazk + dermott + random pick for taking on mrazk contract

 

[The don godfather]

Bruins come late and snatch him. Leaf fans in a tizzy.

 

[Just a Fan]

Hell toss in stolarz and mrazk swap, while we’re at it

Lindholm + stolarz
For
1st + knies + mrazk + dermott + random pick for taking on mrazk contract

I would do that, I think if Dubas is targeting Lindholm, he somehow plans on signing him.

 

[wintersej]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but would Reilly be more of decent stop gap, vs Forbort being a pure cap dump? I could see taking back Reilly, but not if it affects the value of the young pieces included - the Ducks could conceivably sign someone like that in the summer if they want to, so no real need to give up value for him. If trading Lindholm with an extension, more likely we'd take one of those contracts in return in my opinion. If it's a rental trade, no reason to help the other team be able to try and sign him, as the Ducks should plan to be right in the mix for his services on July 1st.

I'll echo what others have said about Deslauriers. Unless someone pays something of really decent value, he probably means more to the Ducks roster than what he'd fetch in trade. One of the very best in the league at his role, which is an important one for this young team. I'm not saying anyone pays it, but I personally wouldn't move him unless the return is some sort of B asset (at least late 2nd or equivalent). Otherwise just sign him for another couple years.

Reilly is a good puck mover that doesn't score much and isn't anything special in 1 on 1 battles. He is one of those players that grades out as a $7.5m player on all the fancy analytics models because he is a good possession player, but when you watch him you are underwhelmed. Very divisive in the Bruins fans base between folks that trust the data and the folks that trust their eyes. He and McAvoy have been on 1st pair together during the Bruins winning streak and it has gone very well.

The thing is, is that unlike a Lindholm, we can't just put Reilly down with Carlo and have it be a great all situations pairing. He just isn't ideal to LEAD a top 4 pairing on a Cup team. Gryz has the same warts and is just flat out better, but also has the same issue of being better suited to be the #2 guy on a pairing.

The Bruins have a #1 in McAvoy, and then three guys in Carlo, Reilly and Gryz who should be the "other guy" on a good top 4 pairing. One of Gryz or Reilly needs to be upgraded to a guy that can lead a pairing like Lindholm. Some on the Bruins board have talked about Gryz, not Reilly or Forbort, being a D returned in a deal, but that would have to be to a team that values him as a true top 4D as a valuable part of the return, and I am not sure if the Ducks are in that place.

Forbort is what he is. A #1 on the PK and really good at keeping shots away from the net, but not much else. Best served as a leader on your PK and then on your bottom pair (or the guy they put with McAvoy up by a goal late in the game). Perhaps Forbort could take on the babysitter role for Drysdale as he matures, but it isn't exciting. Neither Forbort or Reilly are a dump, but Reilly provides better all around value.

I think you are right to key in on Lohrei and Steen and the 1st and I think if the Bruins feel like Lindholm would re-sign its a tough pill I might be OK with them swallowing, but I was looking for a relatively smaller add like Deslauriers to make the pill go down easier.

 

[Just a Fan]

Friedman links everyone to Toronto

Mean it’s a pretty easy thing, Leafs need D…so any available D will be linked to Toronto

 

[The Duck Knight]

Reilly is a good puck mover that doesn't score much and isn't anything special in 1 on 1 battles. He is one of those players that grades out as a $7.5m player on all the fancy analytics models because he is a good possession player, but when you watch him you are underwhelmed. Very divisive in the Bruins fans base between folks that trust the data and the folks that trust their eyes. He and McAvoy have been on 1st pair together during the Bruins winning streak and it has gone very well.

The thing is, is that unlike a Lindholm, we can't just put Reilly down with Carlo and have it be a great all situations pairing. He just isn't ideal to LEAD a top 4 pairing on a Cup team. Gryz has the same warts and is just flat out better, but also has the same issue of being better suited to be the #2 guy on a pairing.

The Bruins have a #1 in McAvoy, and then three guys in Carlo, Reilly and Gryz who should be the "other guy" on a good top 4 pairing. One of Gryz or Reilly needs to be upgraded to a guy that can lead a pairing like Lindholm. Some on the Bruins board have talked about Gryz, not Reilly or Forbort, being a D returned in a deal, but that would have to be to a team that values him as a true top 4D as a valuable part of the return, and I am not sure if the Ducks are in that place.

Forbort is what he is. A #1 on the PK and really good at keeping shots away from the net, but not much else. Best served as a leader on your PK and then on your bottom pair (or the guy they put with McAvoy up by a goal late in the game). Perhaps Forbort could take on the babysitter role for Drysdale as he matures, but it isn't exciting. Neither Forbort or Reilly are a dump, but Reilly provides better all around value.

I think you are right to key in on Lohrei and Steen and the 1st and I think if the Bruins feel like Lindholm would re-sign its a tough pill I might be OK with them swallowing, but I was looking for a relatively smaller add like Deslauriers to make the pill go down easier.

Forbort would definitely be preferable from a Ducks perspective. They've got better puck movers than Rielly in Fowler/Drysdale. Shattenkirk too but he sucks. Hopefully could put Forbort with Drysdale for the rest of the season with easier minutes than Drysdale has been getting. Reassess the D in the summer.

 

[Mister Ed]

I can't see it personally, after your most elite young pieces that I'd assume are untouchable, I don't think there's a prospect who makes a strong enough starting point for an extended Lindholm. Definitely can't picture what you've listed being the best pieces on the table, or really even getting a conversation started.

What would be a realistic price for Lindholm only? On second thought, it might be a shrewder (is that a word?) move to wait for him in the offseason - if he doesn't sign an extension.

 

[The Duck Knight]

What would be a realistic price for Lindholm only? On second thought, it might be a shrewder (is that a word?) move to wait for him in the offseason - if he doesn't sign an extension.

It would definitely make more sense for Detroit to take a run at Lindholm in free agency. Any Lindholm deal needs to start with a 1st and also include a good prospect. Obviously Detroit isn't moving their 1st for a rental.

 

[wintersej]

What would be a realistic price for Lindholm only? On second thought, it might be a shrewder (is that a word?) move to wait for him in the offseason - if he doesn't sign an extension.

If I am Detroit I keep hoarding young assets and cap space, until they become a go to destination for free agents to supplement the home grown core. If you can make some deals for some disgruntled RFAs, totally, but I wouldn't be dealing good assets for UFA aged guys until the team is a bit better... and frankly until some of TB, Toronto, Florida and Boston (with a target on Boston specifically) come back to earth a bit. There is no rush to be going for it for Detroit when the division is as stupid as it is now.

 

[wintersej]

Forbort would definitely be preferable from a Ducks perspective. They've got better puck movers than Rielly in Fowler/Drysdale. Shattenkirk too but he sucks. Hopefully could put Forbort with Drysdale for the rest of the season with easier minutes than Drysdale has been getting. Reassess the D in the summer.

I think the Bruins would be more interested in keeping Forbort for the same reasons, but I'm sure they could find a taker for Reilly elsewhere if it was all that important to them. Or maybe they move our Gryz for some help up front. I dunno. Too many possibilities this time of year.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

What would be a realistic price for Lindholm only? On second thought, it might be a shrewder (is that a word?) move to wait for him in the offseason - if he doesn't sign an extension.

In Detroit's case it may be more sensible to just wait and try to be in the bidding if he hits the UFA market. Without an extension in place they surely don't pay the price. Lindholm with an extension probably costs your 2022 1st +, the pick projecting to land in the back end of the top 10 or 15.