Value of: Hampus Lindholm &/or Rickard Rakell Auction!

[Legion34]

Boston was one.

Do they even have the prospects? I do t see a deal for extended lindholm

 

[Daz28]

Exactly this. Thanks for saving me a couple strokes.

It's only 20 games, though. If you can get a 3rd for him DO ITTTT!!! I want to see Verbeek maximize ALL value

 

[wintersej]

Probably higher than most would want to pay/would expect to pay for that 'type' of player. Especially with Manson gone, the Ducks need someone more than willing to drop the gloves/get physical to help shelter/protect all the kids they have coming up right now. Plus his line of Grant & Carrack seem to be working really well together & are providing more than you'd expect from a 4th line.

So he's probably available ... but you won't like the presumed asking price.

I fully understand this, which is why I asked.

 

[Coach Parker]

I'd bet it's Boston for both with the Bruins 1st, DeBrusk and a prospect going the other way. DeBrusk for Rakell is close but the slight add on DeBrusk is coming in the 1st for Lindholm and the calibre of the prospect. Does that make sense? It also is close to cap compliant for the Bruins.

 

[Rec T]

I fully understand this, which is why I asked.

Ok.

I honestly don't know. The guy right above you seems excited to get a 3rd (which is probably fair for that 'type' of player). Personally, if I was Verbeek, I'd give him a little bump in pay (he's at 1 million now iirc) & sign him to a couple more years. He seems like the type of player that's worth more than the sum of his parts. We'll see I guess.

 

[bernmeister]

NY does not have cap space to take on an extended Lindholm, who would have to be extended, a rental is too expensive, so non starter there for Rangers.

Rakell as a rental is conceivable. But NY should develop youth, add youth, not add age at this pt.

 

[seanlinden]

The frontrunners for Lindholm IMO have to be Boston, Los Angeles, and Florida IMO.

Both the Kings & Bruins can probably clear the cap space to resign him, and have very little on the left side of their D.

Florida isn't / won't be in contention to resign him, but I think they look at their roster today, how ridiculously deep up front they are, and might say f### it and dip into 2023 picks to do it.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I'd bet it's Boston for both with the Bruins 1st, DeBrusk and a prospect going the other way. DeBrusk for Rakell is close but the slight add on DeBrusk is coming in the 1st for Lindholm and the calibre of the prospect. Does that make sense? It also is close to cap compliant for the Bruins.

Sounds a bit too close to the value Manson was able to fetch (Lindholm is worth significantly more), but hard to say for sure without knowing what prospect(s) you had in mind.

In my opinion, if the offer for Lindholm is going to a 1st + prospect, that prospect needs to be Lohrei or Lysell, or I really think that offer is topped.

 

[Coach Parker]

Sounds a bit too close to the value Manson was able to fetch (Lindholm is worth significantly more), but hard to say for sure without knowing what prospect(s) you had in mind.

In my opinion, if the offer for Lindholm is going to a 1st + prospect, that prospect needs to be Lohrei or Lysell, or I really think that offer is topped.

So with the Ducks last retention:

To Boston:

LHD Lindholm 25% retained (he signs in Boston)
RW Rakell

To Anaheim:

2022 1st
LW DeBrusk
RW Lysell

 

[sasha barkov]

The two frontrunners for Lindholm IMO have to be Boston, Los Angeles, and Florida IMO.

Both the Kings & Bruins can probably clear the cap space to resign him, and have very little on the left side of their D.

Florida isn't / won't be in contention to resign him, but I think they look at their roster today, how ridiculously deep up front they are, and might say f### it and dip into 2023 picks to do it.

would be interesting to see a trade between ANA/LAK with that magnitude. I thought about what if Lindholm and Rakell were both dealt to LA earlier today

 

[bsu]

So with the Ducks last retention:

To Boston:

LHD Lindholm 25% retained (he signs in Boston)
RW Rakell

To Anaheim:

2022 1st
LW DeBrusk
RW Lysell

Ducks would need a D man coming back

 

[sasha barkov]

So with the Ducks last retention:

To Boston:

LHD Lindholm 25% retained (he signs in Boston)
RW Rakell

To Anaheim:

2022 1st
LW DeBrusk
RW Lysell

I think if you add a 2nd/3rd and Reilly it's fair given Lindholm is being retained as well as resigned

 

[Coach Parker]

I think if you add a 2nd/3rd and Reilly it's fair given Lindholm is being retained as well as resigned

I could see the Bruins giving Reilly or Forbert (same contract length and amount) in the deal if they were retaining. Conditional 3rd becomes a 2nd in 2023 if the Bruins make the ECF type of deal.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

So with the Ducks last retention:

To Boston:

LHD Lindholm 25% retained (he signs in Boston)
RW Rakell

To Anaheim:

2022 1st
LW DeBrusk
RW Lysell

1st + Lohrei/Lysell is the rental price, I'm not so sure Lindholm is too intent on signing with anyone without seeing what the open market has to offer. But in a world where support players return late 1sts as rentals, a top pairing D is worth much more.

Will add that I'm sure the team that pays such a price will do so fully intent on signing Lindholm, but they may not get that assurance before making the deal. Ultimately could play in their favor if they pay a rental price (even at a premium cost) and then manage to sign him.

 

[Coach Parker]

To Boston:

LD Lindholm (25% retained) Signs in Boston
RW Rakell

To Anaheim:

2022 1st
LW DeBrusk
RW Lysell
LD Forbert
2022 3rd (becomes a 2023 2nd if Boston makes the ECF)

 

[bsu]

To Boston:

LD Lindholm (25% retained) Signs in Boston
RW Rakell

To Anaheim:

2022 1st
LW DeBrusk
RW Lysell
LD Forbert
2022 3rd (becomes a 2023 2nd if Boston makes the ECF)

Sure

 

[SmokeyDuck]

To Boston:

LD Lindholm (25% retained) Signs in Boston
RW Rakell

To Anaheim:

2022 1st
LW DeBrusk
RW Lysell
LD Forbert
2022 3rd (becomes a 2023 2nd if Boston makes the ECF)

I would do this.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

So with the Ducks last retention:

To Boston:

LHD Lindholm 25% retained (he signs in Boston)
RW Rakell

To Anaheim:

2022 1st
LW DeBrusk
RW Lysell

One of Reilly, Forbort, or John Moore has to be going the otherway. Especially if the Bruins are trying to re-sign Lindholm. One needs to go.

Lindholm is an upgrade,.but we have an oversaturation of LD (and salary)

Reilly+Debrusk+1st+ prospect (I'm sure this is where people won't agree which, but I feel like there can be the right middle ground for both sides.


For
Lindholm +Rackell

If that prospect is Lysell or Lohrei, I'd say Bruins push hard for Deslaurier to be included. Otherwise settle for the next tier.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I feel like both of them to the Blues would be interesting... but idk that the blues feel confident enough even with Rakell + Lindholm to put that package on the table

Id assume it starts with Neighbors/bolduc + 1st, add a 2nd + B-B+ prospect + scandella, retain on lindholm if needed

Blues have more of a need for Deslauries than Rakell.

Not sure if they’d move Neighbors though in a deal as such.

Would guess the offer would be something around 22 1st + Perunovich + Kostin (or possibly different prospect Anaheim likes not Neighbors or Bolduc) + 23 (2,3 or 4) + Scandella for Lindholm + Deslauries.

If an extension is doable I could see it being a case where the 23 pick is another 1st. Army didn’t really shy from that in the Schenn trade. He just typically won’t shell out high value assets for rentals. He usually goes the cheaper route in those instances of more depth type of players.

Even if the package for Lindholm is priced out/too rich for Armstrong I could see him inquiring about Deslauries alone. They’ve been wanting to add an identity to the 4th line it seems. Toropchenko has came up and played pretty well in establishing that. But they may not be satisfied yet.

 

[M Ace]

I think Oilers will be in on both of them...maybe

To Anaheim:
Kris Russell
Kyle Turris
Conditional 7th 2031

To Oilers:
Hampus Lindholm
Rikard Rakell
1st rounder 2022

 

[kthx]

I think a realistic Bruins offer would be 2022 1st + DeBrusk + Studnicka/Lohrei.

I think other teams can do better and I dont think Bruins are moving Lysell.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Blues have more of a need for Deslauries than Rakell.

Not sure if they’d move Neighbors though in a deal as such.

Would guess the offer would be something around 22 1st + Perunovich + Kostin (or possibly different prospect Anaheim likes not Neighbors or Bolduc) + 23 (2,3 or 4) + Scandella for Lindholm + Deslauries.

If an extension is doable I could see it being a case where the 23 pick is another 1st. Army didn’t really shy from that in the Schenn trade. He just typically won’t shell out high value assets for rentals. He usually goes the cheaper route in those instances of more depth type of players.

Even if the package for Lindholm is priced out/too rich for Armstrong I could see him inquiring about Deslauries alone. They’ve been wanting to add an identity to the 4th line it seems. Toropchenko has came up and played pretty well in establishing that. But they may not be satisfied yet.

Des would be a good add, legit heavy weight…. Skates good enough to make him a forecheck threat, think he’s top 5 in hits… has also been used on PK this year for us.

I don’t really see us having interest in Peru unless Arizona wants him for chychrun.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I imagine lindholm at 50% goes to whoever offers best package of 1st + forward prospect.

Holloway/boulguarts + 1st
Knies/robertson + 1st
Bolduc/neighbors + 1st
Lysell + 1st
Desienko + 1st


Rakell to rangers for 2nd + kravstov makes most sense to me

 

[TBF1972]

I think Oilers will be in on both of them...maybe

To Anaheim:
Kris Russell
Kyle Turris
Conditional 7th 2031

To Oilers:
Hampus Lindholm
Rikard Rakell
1st rounder 2022

i think this totally depends on the condition.

if anaheim wins the stanley cup, else it turns into mcdavid (50% retained).

 

[M Ace]

i think this totally depends on the condition.

if anaheim wins the stanley cup, else it turns into mcdavid (50% retained).

I think it would be fair if the condition lands in if Turris doesn't play a game for Anaheim. Then McDavid goes to Anaheim with 75% retained.