Proposal: Hampus Lindholm offer sheet (BUF/NJD)

[dracom]

"some" fans of every team say outlandish things here. You're lumping an entire fan base together because of a few loudmouths?

Not sure where you were, but for most of the season it was like 90% of Buffalo fans who were saying it was a fact that Lindholm would be a Sabre before the season starts by an offersheet. Even the Sabres trade board was saying and believing that so it wasn't just "some" fans saying outlandish things on here.

 

[Henkka]

Not sure where you were, but for most of the season it was like 90% of Buffalo fans who were saying it was a fact that Lindholm would be a Sabre before the season starts by an offersheet. Even the Sabres trade board was saying and believing that so it wasn't just "some" fans saying outlandish things on here.

Sounds just more of a pipe dream.

http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/dr...ns-for-bylsma-keeps-offer-sheet-options-open/

Is this the article where these pipe dreams are based?

 

[dracom]

Sounds just more of a pipe dream.

http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/dr...ns-for-bylsma-keeps-offer-sheet-options-open/

Is this the article where these pipe dreams are based?

I have no idea where the pipe dream came from. All I know is we were bombarded with posts from Sabres fans saying Lindholm would be a Sabre because of an OS and we could do nothing about it.

 

[Henkka]

I have no idea where the pipe dream came from. All I know is we were bombarded with posts from Sabres fans saying Lindholm would be a Sabre because of an OS and we could do nothing about it.

Sabres already got Kulikov and their defence is set, when Ristolainen signs.

Also their cap space for Lindholm is gone, when Ristolainen signs. This kind of should end all baseless speculation.

Kulikov - Risto
Gorges - Bogosian
McCabe - Franson
Nelson

 

[Sorey*]

http://www.hockeysverige.se/2016/08...cup-med-frolunda-far-ta-med-mig-en-inhalator/

Lindholm basically calls ANA "cheap" according to some Swedes who have translated the article.


Thoughts?

nope that's not what he says.

 

[dracom]

Sabres already got Kulikov and their defence is set, when Ristolainen signs.

Also their cap space for Lindholm is gone, when Ristolainen signs. This kind of should end all baseless speculation.

Kulikov - Risto
Gorges - Bogosian
McCabe - Franson
Nelson

Yup, I just find it funny we were told for months that Lindholm would be a Sabre if we didn't re-sign Lindholm before he could be OS; and instead of doing that they spent the money on Okposo and they still haven't even re-signed Ristolainen.

 

[snipes]

nope that's not what he says.

Actually the "skambud" offer or taking a "discount" basically implies that. The getting paid what he deserves language as well.

Hopefully someone offer sheets him even if ANA matches so his price gets driven up.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Actually the "skambud" offer or taking a "discount" basically implies that. The getting paid what he deserves language as well.

Hopefully someone offer sheets him even if ANA matches so his price gets driven up.

You're an Oilers fan? Having the price of second contracts driven up is not in your best interest at all.

 

[haseoke39]

I was all over calling for a Lindholm offersheet from Buffalo since January.

At this point, though, we're out of the running. We'd have to make some pretty aggressive salary-dumping moves, which puts us in the same position as Anaheim. No reason to think we're more likely than them now. We added $9M in salary between Kulikov (-Pysyk) and Okposo.

If we dumped Kane for picks and found a taker for Gorges or Franson, it might start to be plausible, but that in itself isn't very likely. Look at what Florida just gave up to rid themselves of $5M off the books.

Anaheim is still probably more challenged than us to swallow a big Lindholm contract, but it's a lot closer.

 

[haseoke39]

Not sure where you were, but for most of the season it was like 90% of Buffalo fans who were saying it was a fact that Lindholm would be a Sabre before the season starts by an offersheet. Even the Sabres trade board was saying and believing that so it wasn't just "some" fans saying outlandish things on here.

Sour grapes blowing our long conversation on this out of proportion. I'm the guy you're mad at, principally. But I've never said it was going to happen. I said it made sense for a lot of reasons from Buffalo's perspective. I also said it probably wouldn't happen many times. But I also inquired into what Anaheim's reservation price might be and made clear what I thought the offer from Buffalo should extend up to if Hampus made it to July 1.

You, on the other hand, loudly told us it was a done deal that he would never make it July 1. So a little pot calling the not-even-a-kettle black going on here.

 

[Beesfan]

I've been saying all along that I think the Bruins should put an offer sheet on him for 7 years/$50 million. I would cost the 4 first round picks, but it would address our most pressing need now and in the future.

We have some really good players, and a pile of pretty good prospects, but we need to bridge the gap between the two.

 

[Not Sure]

Sour grapes blowing our long conversation on this out of proportion. I'm the guy you're mad at, principally. But I've never said it was going to happen. I said it made sense for a lot of reasons from Buffalo's perspective. I also said it probably wouldn't happen many times. But I also inquired into what Anaheim's reservation price might be and made clear what I thought the offer from Buffalo should extend up to if Hampus made it to July 1.

You, on the other hand, loudly told us it was a done deal that he would never make it July 1. So a little pot calling the not-even-a-kettle black going on here.

And who knows perhaps he did get an offer sheet, or several, and just didn't sign it. Maybe both he and Risto have valid offer sheets on the back burner and are using them as leverage. I still think Tim Murray should try to pry Lindholm away even if that means dumping Kane for picks as he still has enough value that he wouldn't need salary retained imo. Just don't think with the trade for Kulikov Murray is looking to go in that direction, which is a shame.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

NJ could do it buf Buffalo couldn't

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Would be nice to see Winnipeg offer-sheeting Lindholm and Anaheim offer-sheeting Trouba with same salaries. We need a Nuclear War!

And then not to match.

Anaheim after that:

Fowler(L) - Trouba(R)
Despres(L) - Vatanen(R)
Theodore(L) - Bieksa(R)
Stoner(L) - Manson(R)

Winnipeg:
Lindholm(L) - Byfuglien(R)
Enström(L) - Myers(R)
Stuart(L) - Postma(R)
Chiarot(L)

Better handness mix for both teams?

Lindholm is definitely the better D-man here. So they gladly do it.

 

[dracom]

Sour grapes blowing our long conversation on this out of proportion. I'm the guy you're mad at, principally. But I've never said it was going to happen. I said it made sense for a lot of reasons from Buffalo's perspective. I also said it probably wouldn't happen many times. But I also inquired into what Anaheim's reservation price might be and made clear what I thought the offer from Buffalo should extend up to if Hampus made it to July 1.

You, on the other hand, loudly told us it was a done deal that he would never make it July 1. So a little pot calling the not-even-a-kettle black going on here.

Don't worry, it wasn't just you saying it. I lurked around the Sabres trade board frequently and say many posts saying the Sabres should/would do it.

And when you inquired into what our reservation price was, you told anything below the 4 1st round pick offer would be matched; in response we were told the Ducks wouldn't be able to match anything the Sabres sent because they would front load the contract to screw us.

I did believe we would have him re-signed before July 1st and I was unfortunately wrong, but I'm also still not pushing the idea of my team trying to pry away a player from another team by OS him. Which you and some other Sabres fans are STILL trying to do. Sometimes, you just need to let an idea go because it's not going to happen.

I've been saying all along that I think the Bruins should put an offer sheet on him for 7 years/$50 million. I would cost the 4 first round picks, but it would address our most pressing need now and in the future.

We have some really good players, and a pile of pretty good prospects, but we need to bridge the gap between the two.

Bruins don't have the cap space to OS Lindholm anything we wouldn't match.

 

[Sorey*]

Actually the "skambud" offer or taking a "discount" basically implies that. The getting paid what he deserves language as well.

Hopefully someone offer sheets him even if ANA matches so his price gets driven up.

No, it seems you are looking for controversery. He says he wont take a lowball offer because it would be bad for his teammates. And he also believes it will be done in Anaheim, not Buffalo or NJD.

 

[belair]

No, it seems you are looking for controversery. He says he wont take a lowball offer because it would be bad for his teammates. And he also believes it will be done in Anaheim, not Buffalo or NJD.

How would taking a lowball offer be bad for his teammates?

 

[Yemeth]

Would somebody please offer sheet him so our GM can match it (as he previously stated he would) and then pass the buck on being responsible for the price.

That was my first thought when I read about the interview .

 

[dracom]

How would taking a lowball offer be bad for his teammates?

Because then the Ducks can use the low offer Lindholm got as a basis for re-signing other players to low offers. Financially, it would be bad for his teammates.

 

[Henkka]

Yup, I just find it funny we were told for months that Lindholm would be a Sabre if we didn't re-sign Lindholm before he could be OS; and instead of doing that they spent the money on Okposo and they still haven't even re-signed Ristolainen.

Good point.

Maybe some offer-sheet was on their mind, if the free agency leaves Sabres empty-handed. But they got Okposo which did eat millions and traded for Kulikov to FILL THAT LH DEFENCEMAN NEED.

Without these additions, they would have had the cap space and a different plan. Probably an unprobable offer-sheet.

Kulikov has 1-year left and next summer is a different situation again in defenceman market. Lots of probable trades coming before the expansion draft, and then Murray could be doing something again.

I would highly suspect that all plans for an offer-sheet are gone from Sabres side.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Rakell should be OS'd. There are a lot of teams in the league who could comfortably do so.

I also think a bad team (i.e. Toronto) should offer sheet Girgensons.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Not sure where you were, but for most of the season it was like 90% of Buffalo fans who were saying it was a fact that Lindholm would be a Sabre before the season starts by an offersheet. Even the Sabres trade board was saying and believing that so it wasn't just "some" fans saying outlandish things on here.

This is a paranoid delusion. Before free agency there were plenty of people who thought Buffalo (or some other teams) should offer sheet Lindholm given ANA's precarious cap and internal limitations. But 90% of Buffalo fans weren't writing his name on their roster projections.

An offersheet would have caused one or two other players to squirt free from ANA, but unless it was a number over 8M they'd have made those adjustments.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Not sure where you were, but for most of the season it was like 90% of Buffalo fans who were saying it was a fact that Lindholm would be a Sabre before the season starts by an offersheet. Even the Sabres trade board was saying and believing that so it wasn't just "some" fans saying outlandish things on here.

I hope you're being illustrative, because this is a huge exaggeration. Come over to the Buffalo trade board and see how many of us think that. It won't come close to 90%, unless it's 90% of us think it won't happen.

Just to make this work for Buffalo:

2 x $2.5M for Girgensons
7 x $6.5M for Ristolainen
Trade Franson with no roster money coming back ($3.25M).
Trade 1-2 of Kane/Moulson/Gorges/Ennis/Gionta with no roster player coming back.
- Kane is at his lowest value with legal issues.
- Moulson is coming off his worst season since hitting it big in NYI.
- Gorges has value, but he expressed interest in being traded to Buffalo and is a highly respected leader on the team. Bad move to make a trade.
- Ennis is coming off a year with two concussions.
- Gionta is the team Captain in the last year of his contract.

Every Sabres fans would LOVE to get Lindholm. Almost all of us see the issues in making it happen. Much less getting into the offer sheet discussion.

 

[mytduxfan*]

Loving the back-tracking from BUF fans. Admittedly, it was a select minority that were saying we'd have to trade Lindholm for nothing or risk him signing an offersheet, but those few still seem to back-tracking hard. You were wrong, just own it.

 

[dracom]

I hope you're being illustrative, because this is a huge exaggeration. Come over to the Buffalo trade board and see how many of us think that. It won't come close to 90%, unless it's 90% of us think it won't happen.

Just to make this work for Buffalo:

2 x $2.5M for Girgensons
7 x $6.5M for Ristolainen
Trade Franson with no roster money coming back ($3.25M).
Trade 1-2 of Kane/Moulson/Gorges/Ennis/Gionta with no roster player coming back.
- Kane is at his lowest value with legal issues.
- Moulson is coming off his worst season since hitting it big in NYI.
- Gorges has value, but he expressed interest in being traded to Buffalo and is a highly respected leader on the team. Bad move to make a trade.
- Ennis is coming off a year with two concussions.
- Gionta is the team Captain in the last year of his contract.

Every Sabres fans would LOVE to get Lindholm. Almost all of us see the issues in making it happen. Much less getting into the offer sheet discussion.

I'm not talking about right now, most Sabres fans realize it's not happening now. I'm talking about during the season, that's when most Sabres fans believed their team would OS Lindholm because they had the cap space and their GM doesn't give a **** if he's screwing up a positive relationship with another GM.