Proposal: Hampus Lindholm offer sheet (BUF/NJD)

[Jrtu]

He definitely said cheap. More specifically, he said that Anaheim is one of the cheaper teams in the league. He also said that he could sign anything, but if he accept a shameful offer, he would set the bar low for everyone else.

How can Anaheim be considered cheap when they are paying Bieksa 4mil/yr?

 

[Kalv]

How can Anaheim be considered cheap when they are paying Bieksa 4mil/yr?

 

[CorgisPer60]

How can Anaheim be considered cheap when they are paying Bieksa 4mil/yr?

Classic responses. I love it.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Say Lindholm signs an offer sheet from Buffalo or New Jersey, if Anaheim doesn't match the offer and decides on draft pick compensation does the draft picks all have to be from the same year or can the pick be from different years.

 

[helax]

Say Lindholm signs an offer sheet from Buffalo or New Jersey, if Anaheim doesn't match the offer and decides on draft pick compensation does the draft picks all have to be from the same year or can the pick be from different years.

If they get 4 first, they must be Buffalos own picks, so i guess it is the coming 4 years first picks.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Read the whole page next time.

Edit - 7 years X 7M = 49 / 5 = 9.8M.

That's 4 1sts.

I apologize you are correct.
If someone does offer sheet him they will have to keep it to five years ($7,000,000 for 5 years).

 

[tony d]

Will be interesting to see where Lindholm ends up. new Jersey would make a lot of sense to me.

 

[Freudian]

Skambud more or less means insulting offer.

 

[CorgisPer60]

I apologize you are correct.
If someone does offer sheet him they will have to keep it to five years ($7,000,000 for 5 years).

I don't see any GM doing this, because they know that he isn't a 7m a year player and that would seriously hamper their cap structure going forward. TM would be best served just paying Lindholm his fair salary and putting it to rest. However, if they did a 7 year, 39m contract, that would put his cap hit at 5.7m per year (very fair), and for the purposes of the offer sheet, at 7.8m (2 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd). TM matches at that point, so all you're doing is helping out Lindholm by doing that. So, quite likely nothing will happen.

 

[Maukkis]

Hasn't it almost become an unwritten rule among GMs, that you don't offer sheet?

Especially star players? When was the last time it happened?

What potentially could happen is an offer sheet to Rakell. That puts Anaheim in a bloody tough spot: they either lose a young, proven forward who wouldn't cost too much for a second rounder (not sure about the compensations), or they keep him, but end up facing a serious threat of Lindholm being offer sheeted, or just simply are forced to lose a trade to keep him long term.

 

[belair]

I hear he also said that Bob Murray will "crack any minute purple monkey dishwasher."

 

[ffh]

I don't know what obsesses people to talk about something that wont happen. especially in sept. when everybody pretty much has their roster set.

 

[Heraldic]

I don't see any GM doing this, because they know that he isn't a 7m a year player and that would seriously hamper their cap structure going forward. TM would be best served just paying Lindholm his fair salary and putting it to rest. However, if they did a 7 year, 39m contract, that would put his cap hit at 5.7m per year (very fair), and for the purposes of the offer sheet, at 7.8m (2 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd). TM matches at that point, so all you're doing is helping out Lindholm by doing that. So, quite likely nothing will happen.

You could offer Lindholm 6x6 contract, and the compensation would be 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

First two years 9 million actual salary, third 7 million, fourth 5 million and the rest two 3 million. It would put BM in a really difficult spot regarding his budget. There is pretty much no possibility for BM to stay under his budget if he matches. So he would have to either 1) not match the offersheet or 2) go at the owners and tell "Yeah, I ****ed up the salary, so as a reward can I have a free pass and greatly exceed the budget?".

 

[CorgisPer60]

You could offer Lindholm 6x6 contract, and the compensation would be 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

First two years 9 million actual salary, third 7 million, fourth 5 million and the rest two 3 million. It would put BM in a really difficult spot regarding his budget. There is pretty much no possibility for BM to stay under his budget if he matches. So he would have to either 1) not match the offersheet or 2) go at the owners and tell "Yeah, I ****ed up the salary, so as a reward can I have a free pass and greatly exceed the budget?".

And it's for this reason alone that I wish Andrew Ladd well in his future as an Islander. Reasonable cap hit, but man, giving aging players that type of term and salary is just begging for trouble. Kesler is laughing to the bank.

 

[JThorne]

I don't know man. I seem to remember some Buffalo fans saying if Lindholm wasn't signed within the first two weeks of free agency, he would be tendered an offer sheet by Buffalo for sure.

"some" fans of every team say outlandish things here. You're lumping an entire fan base together because of a few loudmouths?

 

[2faded]

Maybe Buffalo should tank again and draft their own Lindholm.

 

[ps241]

Rasmus Rustolainen remains unsigned and nobody says a word

but when Hampus Lindholm is brought up, everyone loses their minds

Now multiply the very recent Lindholm insanity by 3 months and 70 trade offers and you have the Jacob Trouba "area 51" conspiracy theories.

 

[UnicornONtheCOBB]

no one is offer sheeting anyone at this point. I wish GMs did use the offer sheet more often, it's a tool that is in the CBA for a reason. Agents and players should be pushing for RFA offers, it gets them more money. It seems like every other professional sports league is much more cut throat than the NHL is. Bottom line, offer sheets should be more prevalent.

 

[Hunter368]

Now multiply the very recent Lindholm insanity by 3 months and 70 trade offers and you have the Jacob Trouba "area 51" conspiracy theories.

Exactly

Bring on the 20 trade threads for Lindholm, clearly he hates the Ducks and wants out of there asap.

Poetic justice being served.

 

[Henkka]

Rasmus Rustolainen remains unsigned and nobody says a word

but when Hampus Lindholm is brought up, everyone loses their minds

Yep, difference is, that Lindholm went commenting it on the media, when asked. And said that he's not gonna take a discount.

Ristolainen has been dead silent (no one hasn't even asked anything) and been just training. His latest comments about extension are from March, and also then he kind of answered nothing for the questions. Just "we'll see what happens".

 

[alcolol]

You could offer Lindholm 6x6 contract, and the compensation would be 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

First two years 9 million actual salary, third 7 million, fourth 5 million and the rest two 3 million. It would put BM in a really difficult spot regarding his budget. There is pretty much no possibility for BM to stay under his budget if he matches. So he would have to either 1) not match the offersheet or 2) go at the owners and tell "Yeah, I ****ed up the salary, so as a reward can I have a free pass and greatly exceed the budget?".

Or 3) Bob Murray laughs because this proposed contract isn't allowed per this CBA rule: "Salary variance: No more than 35 percent year-over-year and no year less than 50 percent of the highest year."

 

[markog]

Well Eklund is saying we're getting Fowler AND Shattenkirk so there's no need for Lindholm.

 

[Henkka]

Disclaimer: I am a Finn, not a native Swedish speaker, but here goes anyway.

"Kanske lite snålare" is a quite mild expression. "Maybe little more stingy" comes close. He is not implying Anaheim are "cheap" in a negative tone, in fact he seems to be going out of his way to avoid appearing inflammatory. To me, he clearly understands that a business negotiation is under way. Having said that, he is clearly taking a stand, making it clear that he wants "what he's worth".

"Skambud" is wordplay on the word for "offer". It translates literally to "shame offer", something that is ridiculously or obviously below market value. It ties into other quotes when he says you must "compare with what other players are getting and adapt to that". Also, you don't want to "hurt others by setting the bar too low".

All in all, he's putting a lot of emphasis on what's "fair". Granted that's partly a Swedish cultural thing: the nation as a whole is more or less obsessed with fairness and equality, so it's a natural tone for a public eye discussion to take, especially when there isn't a lot of substance to talk about. It's like the Brits discussing weather. But regardless, that's his message, and he's driving it home with intent.

Discount is the right word we are hunting here. I think Murray has offered some kind of offer with discount mentality, and he doesn't want sign that. He'll want a fair RFA market value based on RFA comparables.

 

[Henkka]

Hasn't it almost become an unwritten rule among GMs, that you don't offer sheet?

Especially star players? When was the last time it happened?

In the last 5 years, there were 2 offer sheets: Ryan O'Reilly from the Flames (to potentially hilarious results) and Shea Weber from the Flyers. The last one that actually worked was the Dustin Penner one that Edmonton threw at the Ducks.

Also interesting, that all three GM's who did threw those offer-sheets and not GM's anymore.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Exactly

Bring on the 20 trade threads for Lindholm, clearly he hates the Ducks and wants out of there asap.

Poetic justice being served.

How do you figure? It wasn't Ducks fans who spent all summer claiming they could poach other teams RFAs away, replace Lindholm with Ristolainen and you have your poetic justice.