Proposal: Hampus Lindholm offer sheet (BUF/NJD)

[hockeykicker]

am i missing the part in the article where he calls the ducks cheap? all i see is the article says the ducks are economical. there's a difference

 

[Ducks DVM]

To be fair, the conditions on the Ruutu trade that involves a 3rd to Carolina are completely unknown. I've only seen a single source say something either way.

It's also entirely possible that the conditions include NJ being able to send a 3rd of their choice, etc.

not that an offer sheet is likely anyways..

Gotcha, I was just going off of what picks were listed on general fanager

Interesting.

If NJ has their third, I would debate going into the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick territory.

And Anaheim would say thank you and match within seconds. That level isn't Cap busting.

 

[Mr Positive]

edit: beaten to it by Marc

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

The cost wouldn't be four firsts it would only be a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd.
That covers average annual salaries between $5,478,986 to $7,305,316.
Lindholm is good but I don't think that any GM is paying more than that with a cap that might even fall next year.
Just offer $7,000,000/year for for seven years which Anaheim won't be able to match.

 

[Henkka]

If Lindholm is worth ~7M player and Trouba ~5.5M, their difference in offer-sheet value is only 2nd rounder.

So how about just a trade:

Trouba + 2nd <> Lindholm.

 

[CorgisPer60]

If Lindholm is worth ~7M player and Trouba ~5.5M, their difference in offer-sheet value is only 2nd rounder.

So how about just a trade:

Trouba + 2nd <> Lindholm.

I would do that, so by HF logic that's a terrible value for Lindholm and should be publicly derided by everyone.

 

[Ducks DVM]

The cost wouldn't be four firsts it would only be a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd.
That covers average annual salaries between $5,478,986 to $7,305,316.
Lindholm is good but I don't think that any GM is paying more than that with a cap that might even fall next year.
Just offer $7,000,000/year for for seven years which Anaheim won't be able to match.

No, that's not the rule.

Yes OR the total $ value of the contract divided by 5 = 9.3 M (or more).

So if he signed, say, a 7 year deal worth 50 M, it would cost them 4 first rounders.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

As a Duck fan, this is beyond disappointing. It's bad enough that year after year, they never spend the extra money to get them over the hump, but now they have a future star and aren't locking him up.

I don't really see the problem. There's already a couple of comparables out there. (Rielly and Jones) If Murray's not offering somewhere in the ballpark of what those two got then he's definitely playing with fire and will run Lindholm off the first chance he gets. On the other hand, if Murray's offering similar money to what those two received, then shame on Lindholm for holding out for more and using his peers as an excuse.

Judging from Lindholm's exit interview, I never got the feeling that he's excited to sign long term with Anaheim. He just didn't sound much like his wish is to play his career as a Duck like other athletes usually say. (Whether it's BS or not, at least play the part)

Not a happy Duck fan this off season...

 

[SenzZen]

Interesting.

If NJ has their third, I would debate going into the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick territory. The better option would be to offer just below the 5.632 million.

That's easily matched, with Bob Murray throwing in a fruit basket for solving his problem for him.

 

[VoidCreature]

"Anaheim might be a bit more economical than other teams, but all the players in the the team should get paid what they deserve and I can not go and take a skambud. When I destroy for others by setting the bar low."

This is what my translate function spat out. I assume the apparently untranslatable "skambud" means discount.

 

[TT1]

wish we had some capspace so we could offer sheet him

 

[Hunter368]

He must be asking for so much b/c he wants out of the Ducks team. Sound familiar?

Lindholm and Trouba agents are just doing their jobs, negotiate the best contracts possible for their clients. Not sure why people get so worried about these things, sound like 13 year old girls.

If either are unsigned when TC starts, then start worrying.

Chill people (regarding both Lindholm & Trouba)

 

[Ducks DVM]

As a Duck fan, this is beyond disappointing. It's bad enough that year after year, they never spend the extra money to get them over the hump, but now they have a future star and aren't locking him up.

I don't really see the problem. There's already a couple of comparables out there. (Rielly and Jones) If Murray's not offering somewhere in the ballpark of what those two got then he's definitely playing with fire and will run Lindholm off the first chance he gets. On the other hand, if Murray's offering similar money to what those two received, then shame on Lindholm for holding out for more and using his peers as an excuse.

Judging from Lindholm's exit interview, I never got the feeling that he's excited to sign long term with Anaheim. He just didn't sound much like his wish is to play his career as a Duck like other athletes usually say. (Whether it's BS or not, at least play the part)

Not a happy Duck fan this off season...

Bobby Ryan signed September 14. It's not even remotely panic time yet.

The soonest that Lindholm can "run off" is 4 years from now. The only real concern is someone throwing a ROR poison pill type contract that makes his qualifying offer too high to reasonably match.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Bobby Ryan signed September 14. It's not even remotely panic time yet.

The soonest that Lindholm can "run off" is 4 years from now. The only real concern is someone throwing a ROR poison pill type contract that makes his qualifying offer too high to reasonably match.

That's what I'm worried about. I know offer sheets aren't common, but neither is the opportunity to grab a young player like Hampus. And if it's done, the Ducks would be in trouble based on Murray's mis-management of the cap the past couple of years.

I know he's under the Ducks control for 4 years, as long as the above doesn't happen, but most teams seem to lock up their young, future stars for 7 or 8 years and right now it just doesn't seem like a sure thing that it's going in that direction.

Premature, maybe...but it would certainly feel better to have him locked up like some of the other rising stars have already been.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Lindholm is waiting Trouba and Trouba is waiting Lindholm to sign?

I understood that article, than Anaheim tries to sign Hampus with a discount and he doesn't want to sign with a discount, because it lowers others bar for salary demands.

He will want a market value, kind of a fair contract.

Do they really need to wait for each other to sign? They already have decent comparable in Rielly and Jones. I guess they're looking for longer term contracts than Rielly and Jones' contracts

 

[ffh]

more people in last 10 years have spotted sasquatch then a offer sheet. yet people still believe offer sheets exist.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

No, that's not the rule.

Yes that is the rule.
See page 38 of the current NHL CBA.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Buffalo would need to make some serious moves to offer sheet Lindholm. At a minimum, they'd need a taker for Franson, and then sell real low on Kane and/or Ennis. And hope Kane's legal issues are solved real fast. Or trade Gorges, which I don't think they want to do.

A lot would need to go real well for the Sabres to even consider an offer sheet.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Would somebody please offer sheet him so our GM can match it (as he previously stated he would) and then pass the buck on being responsible for the price.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

Would the ducks match 7.5 for 4 years or take a 1st, 2nd and 3rd?

 

[Whileee]

As a fan of the Jets and Jacob Trouba may I say to our Duck friends......Welcome to the jungle, I was wondering what took so long.

When do the Flames (Gaudreau) and Sabres (Ristolainen) get to join the party?

 

[Whileee]

Would the ducks match 7.5 for 4 years or take a 1st, 2nd and 3rd?

They match without a doubt, and sort out the ramifications later. They are not letting him go for that low a return.

I can't see any team in the position to produce an offer sheet that the Ducks won't match. That's why it hasn't happened.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Yes that is the rule.
See page 38 of the current NHL CBA.

Any Club that is entitled to but does not exercise its Right of First Refusal pursuant to Section 10.3 shall be entitled to obtain Draft Choice Compensation from the New Club. The number and quality of draft choices due to the Prior Club shall be based on the average annual value of the compensation contained in the Principal Terms (as defined in Section 10.3(e) hereof) of the New Club's Offer Sheet (determined by dividing such compensation by the lesser of the number of years of the Offer Sheet or five), based on the following scale:

Read the whole page next time.

Edit - 7 years X 7M = 49 / 5 = 9.8M.

That's 4 1sts.

 

[puck stoppa]

When do the Flames (Gaudreau) and Sabres (Ristolainen) get to join the party?

What! They're not signed? I thought it was only trouba, I just found out today lindholm isn't signed either

 

[Whileee]

He must be asking for so much b/c he wants out of the Ducks team. Sound familiar?

Lindholm and Trouba agents are just doing their jobs, negotiate the best contracts possible for their clients. Not sure why people get so worried about these things, sound like 13 year old girls.

If either are unsigned when TC starts, then start worrying.

Chill people (regarding both Lindholm & Trouba)

Both sides in these negotiations are waiting until there's a real deadline before settling. Lindholm's agent knows that the Ducks' offers won't be pulled off the table, so there's nothing to lose by seeing if the Ducks will improve their offer before training camp or the regular season. It's just standard "brinksmanship", which is designed to get the best deal.