Kings News: [Hammond] LA Kings Have Hired Darryl Sutter As New Head Coach

[The Butcher]

Really? Circus and Dean go hand in hand. Mike Murphy, Kovalchuk, Smyth, Cloutier & now Murray just to name a few.

Dean admitted that he didn't want to search for a replacement until he fired Murray in person. Seems like upper management wanted Murray gone sooner than Dean did.

Other teams had their new coach lined up before they fired their current coach. The Ducks asked Washington for permission 2 or 3 days before they fired Carlyle.

Don't forget Lubo (shipped out days after signing a long term deal, not even contacted by the team), the Doughty contract dispute, Cammalleri, or the JMFJ fued.

DL just insists on doing things the hard way. I've been a supporter of what he's doing here for a while but my confidence in him is waning by the day. Things had better get turned around in a hurry or I just can't see how DL keeps his job over the summer.

 

[sweatypickle]

Sutter had a lifetime contract with the Flames prior to the "Stepping Down" so there's likely a fair bit of negotiating...

 

[The Butcher]

Calm down.... It's been 3 days.... We're aren't hiring someone from the streets. We're picking up a ex-GM/Ex-Coach who is under contract. That's not instant and it's not a "circus."

I'm sorry, I'll stop screaming and jumping up and down on the table. Has anyone seen my ritalin?

 

[I Am Ziggy Palffy]

I cannot fathom why she thinks the players would not try. Ridiculous.

The way this team has "showed up" the past couple months, there's plenty of reasons for us to doubt the quality of their effort and other things.

 

[kingsfan]

They must be cheapskates up in Calgary...

Josh Rimer:
The Holdup in Sutter stepping behind Kings Bench is working out finacial terms with Calgary on the remainder of his contrat with the Flames.

Same as we were cheapskates for not just paying Fraser's medical bills?

If Sutter has a clause in his contract which calls for a buy out or something, why in the world would Calgary pay that bill for us?

If Sutter is the guy then he should have been lined up weeks ago.

I think that leaked report to Helene about Murray being fired forced Dean's hand. I think Dean was already talking to Sutter, but didn't plan on firing Murray until he had Sutter's situation taken care of. The leak forced the circus we are seeing.

Actually, it makes it sound like Dean wasn't expecting to fire Murray so soon. It seems evident that the order came from AEG, perhaps even the leak as well...

Remember, to talk to Sutter, the Kings would have had to formerly and publicly ask Calgary for the right to do so. They would have had to fire Murray before they did that anyway.

Either way, the timeline would have been the same. Fire Murray, ask Calgary, allow Sutter to settle contract and the business he runs, let Stevens handle the team in the meantime, and then make the transition.

This is completely inaccurate. You do not need to have a job opening before you can speak to someone about the job. How did Anaheim line up Boudreau so fast? How did Washington have Hunter already in place the moment Boudreau was fired? Same with Muller in Carolina when Maurice was canned?

DL can ask for permission to speak to someone, do an interview with them and even offer them the job before he had to finally let Terry Murray go.

The only thing that changed everything was the leak, which is obvious it didn't come from DL with the way he reacted. Whomever leaked that information forced TM's firing about a week to two weeks early.

 

[Alternate Jersey]

Other teams had their new coach lined up before they fired their current coach. The Ducks asked Washington for permission 2 or 3 days before they fired Carlyle.

Remember, to talk to Sutter, the Kings would have had to formerly and publicly ask Calgary for the right to do so. They would have had to fire Murray before they did that anyway.

like kingsfan, i can't believe that both of these can be true, because at least according to the reports, Carlyle had no idea that he was being fired. so there's no way that the sucks publicly asked washington. do the rules really state that? i certainly don't know that much about them, but just from the evidence, it doesn't seem like talking to the former team has to be done publicly, and it certainly seems like teams have been talking to prospective coaches well before they fired their current coaches this year.

 

[Alternate Jersey]

so if we have to compensate calgary for taking sutter, what kind of compensation would that be? monetary? draft picks? or what? i really don't know how this kind of thing works.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spo...r-john-stevens-jarret-stoll-jack-johnson.html

All indications remain that the new coach will be Darryl Sutter and that Sutter will take over next Tuesday. After facing the Blue Jackets, the Kings will play at Detroit on Saturday and at Toronto on Monday before returning home to face the Ducks next Thursday at Staples Center. Apparently, Sutter has some family and farming responsibilities to wrap up in Alberta but he should be able to sort everything out within the next few days.

 

[HYORI 1963]

so if we have to compensate calgary for taking sutter, what kind of compensation would that be? monetary? draft picks? or what? i really don't know how this kind of thing works.

I'd like to think that we did them a favor by taking him off their payroll. Just from what I hear, a great coach but not the best gm.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Hammond Update
http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/12/15/coaching-situation-update/#more-18597

All signs still point toward Darryl Sutter joining the Kings as coach, sooner rather than later, but multiple sources have indicated that a couple things are still being worked on: compensation with Calgary — Sutter is still under contract there — and immigration issues, which can’t be settled until Sutter officially joins the Kings. It could take a few more days. After today’s morning skate, Dean Lombardi gave a brief general update on the coaching search, without mentioning any names…

LOMBARDI: “Yes, I am closer. We’re working through the process here and we’re making progress. We’ve got a good man here in charge right now, and I’ve got the utmost confidence in him to get us through this period.’’

 

[kingsfan]

I'd like to think that we did them a favor by taking him off their payroll. Just from what I hear, a great coach but not the best gm.

I think there is some sort of clause for his contract being terminated, like a buy out or something. No way Calgary pays that to let him go to a conference rival, nor should they.

That said, I think the hold up is more likely family and personal business as well as immigration than any contractual issues.

 

[Sydor25]

Remember, to talk to Sutter, the Kings would have had to formerly and publicly ask Calgary for the right to do so. They would have had to fire Murray before they did that anyway.

What are you talking about? Dean just had to call up the Calgary GM and ask if he had permission to talk to Sutter. You don't have to announce it. The Ducks asked Washington on Sunday or Monday and fired Carlyle on Wednesday. Nobody reported it and it certainly wasn't public.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Same as we were cheapskates for not just paying Fraser's medical bills?

If Sutter has a clause in his contract which calls for a buy out or something, why in the world would Calgary pay that bill for us?



I think that leaked report to Helene about Murray being fired forced Dean's hand. I think Dean was already talking to Sutter, but didn't plan on firing Murray until he had Sutter's situation taken care of. The leak forced the circus we are seeing.



This is completely inaccurate. You do not need to have a job opening before you can speak to someone about the job. How did Anaheim line up Boudreau so fast? How did Washington have Hunter already in place the moment Boudreau was fired? Same with Muller in Carolina when Maurice was canned?

DL can ask for permission to speak to someone, do an interview with them and even offer them the job before he had to finally let Terry Murray go.

The only thing that changed everything was the leak, which is obvious it didn't come from DL with the way he reacted. Whomever leaked that information forced TM's firing about a week to two weeks early.

Yeah I don't think Dean was waiting a week or two to get everything lined up. From what I hear, the firing was decided on Sunday morning and then it got leaked pretty quickly.

There's a lot to be done, I am sure Sutter is taking care of his farming duties and so forth. He's also got to line up some assistants.

 

[HYORI 1963]

What are you talking about? Dean just had to call up the Calgary GM and ask if he had permission to talk to Sutter. You don't have to announce it. The Ducks asked Washington on Sunday or Monday and fired Carlyle on Wednesday. Nobody reported it and it certainly wasn't public.

Maybe I'm missing something but why do the dux have to ask washington when BB had already been fired?

 

[Telos]

This is completely inaccurate. You do not need to have a job opening before you can speak to someone about the job. How did Anaheim line up Boudreau so fast? How did Washington have Hunter already in place the moment Boudreau was fired? Same with Muller in Carolina when Maurice was canned?

DL can ask for permission to speak to someone, do an interview with them and even offer them the job before he had to finally let Terry Murray go.

The only thing that changed everything was the leak, which is obvious it didn't come from DL with the way he reacted. Whomever leaked that information forced TM's firing about a week to two weeks early.

Where did I say you needed a job opening? This is about being professional and not announcing that you are requesting permission to hire coaches before you even hire your coach. There is a huge difference between talking with someone unemployed and unaffiliated, and talking to someone under another organization's payroll. If we asked the Penguins about Granato it would have been everywhere. This is about handling things professionally, just because Dean can doesn't mean he should. All those examples you listed are for coaches that weren't employed. Of course you can talk to them, but the coaches we were looking into are under contract elsewhere. Massive difference.

What are you talking about? Dean just had to call up the Calgary GM and ask if he had permission to talk to Sutter. You don't have to announce it. The Ducks asked Washington on Sunday or Monday and fired Carlyle on Wednesday. Nobody reported it and it certainly wasn't public.

Yet the very second we asked, it was all over the Calgary media...

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Where did I say you needed a job opening? This is about being professional and not announcing that you are requesting permission to hire coaches before you even hire your coach. There is a huge difference between talking with someone unemployed and unaffiliated, and talking to someone under another organization's payroll. If we asked the Penguins about Granato it would have been everywhere. This is about handling things professionally, just because Dean can doesn't mean he should. All those examples you listed are for coaches that weren't employed. Of course you can talk to them, but the coaches we were looking into are under contract elsewhere. Massive difference.



Yet the very second we asked, it was all over the Calgary media...

I think they were disputing the fact that you made is sound like teams have to make an official, public request to speak with another team's employee, which they don't.

EDIT: And though Boudreau, Carlyle, etc. were fired, they still have a contract with the team they were fired by.

 

[Telos]

I think they were disputing the fact that you made is sound like teams have to make an official, public request to speak with another team's employee, which they don't.

Of course they don't, but it gets out anyway, and if Sutter had said "no" things would have only of gotten worse.

EDIT: And though Boudreau, Carlyle, etc. were fired, they still have a contract with the team they were fired by.

They aren't being paid as GM's. The Calgary media would have noticed this week long negotiation with the Flames.


In the end, it doesn't even matter, the reason we didn't have a coach lined up was because we didn't have a choice. Dean didn't want to fire Murray, he hadn't made any phone calls before the story leaked and he had to fire him. This is as fast as it gets in this situation. I don't see what anyone is crying about, Stevens is the exact same as Murray, nothing has changed.

 

[Mr Sakich]

They must be cheapskates up in Calgary...

Josh Rimer:
The Holdup in Sutter stepping behind Kings Bench is working out finacial terms with Calgary on the remainder of his contrat with the Flames.

the NHL has rules regarding hiring coaches who are curretnly under contract. The old team has to cover the difference between the existing contract and the new contract if the coach is getting paid less.

In this case, LA will be paying much less for Sutter the coach than the Flames did for Sutter the coach and GM. The NHL has to decide how much each party will pay to keep Sutter at the same total salary as he is making right now from the Flames.

As we saw with SMyth / Fraser - gate, the NHL does not move very quickly

 

[JR28]

Asking for permission from another team to talk to one's employee doesn't have to be done publicly. Most are not done that way. How many people heard about the Ducks asking the Capitals for permission to talk to Boudreau, before firing Carlyle and hiring Bruce? The only reason why the whole Darryl Sutter thing has become public is the fact that when it comes to Dean, Darryl would always be the first choice, if available. If it weren't for Helene's article this whole mess wouldn't of happened and Terry wouldn't of been fired, until Darryl was ready to take over. I doubt Dean wanted to fire TM on Monday. He most likely wanted to wait to see what happened on the road trip and allow TM to get his 500th win. Unfortunately Helene's article made it so DL couldn't wait.

 

[The Butcher]

Where did I say you needed a job opening? This is about being professional and not announcing that you are requesting permission to hire coaches before you even hire your coach. There is a huge difference between talking with someone unemployed and unaffiliated, and talking to someone under another organization's payroll. If we asked the Penguins about Granato it would have been everywhere. This is about handling things professionally, just because Dean can doesn't mean he should. All those examples you listed are for coaches that weren't employed. Of course you can talk to them, but the coaches we were looking into are under contract elsewhere. Massive difference.



Yet the very second we asked, it was all over the Calgary media...

I'm among the few that actually liked TM and was sad to see him go. However, being a professional GM means putting your personal feelings aside and doing what's right for the team and timing is EVERYTHING in this business.

If we miss the playoffs by only a few points we will look back on this period of uncertaintity and shake our heads wondering what if he had pulled the trigger sooner and more effectively.

Hate to say it, but I'm starting to cross over to the dark side.

 

[The Butcher]

Asking for permission from another team to talk to one's employee doesn't have to be done publicly. Most are not done that way. How many people heard about the Ducks asking the Capitals for permission to talk to Boudreau, before firing Carlyle and hiring Bruce? The only reason why the whole Darryl Sutter thing has become public is the fact that when it comes to Dean, Darryl would always be the first choice, if available. If it weren't for Helene's article this whole mess wouldn't of happened and Terry wouldn't of been fired, until Darryl was ready to take over. I doubt Dean wanted to fire TM on Monday. He most likely wanted to wait to see what happened on the road trip and allow TM to get his 500th win. Unfortunately Helene's article made it so DL couldn't wait.

This poses an interesting question: If you were in Helene's shoes, would you report this knowing full well the ramifications for TM, DL, and the entire LA Kings?

Did AEG or Dean WANT this to be leaked? If not, would it be safe to say that someone elses head could roll due to this?

Again it comes back to the results, not the process.

 

[tigermask48]

I'm among the few that actually liked TM and was sad to see him go. However, being a professional GM means putting your personal feelings aside and doing what's right for the team and timing is EVERYTHING in this business.

If we miss the playoffs by only a few points we will look back on this period of uncertaintity and shake our heads wondering what if he had pulled the trigger sooner and more effectively.

Hate to say it, but I'm starting to cross over to the dark side.

I know how you feel. In the past week I've gone from being a complete supporter of TM getting this whole year to work with, to now having the thought crawl into my mind of if Sutter is hired and the Kings miss the playoffs then him and DL both need to be shown the door... I'm honestly of the belief that these players are no where near this bad and if they are turned loose and allowed to play their games that the solid team D would stay somewhat intact just due to it being ingrained in them.

 

[JR28]

This poses an interesting question: If you were in Helene's shoes, would you report this knowing full well the ramifications for TM, DL, and the entire LA Kings?

Did AEG or Dean WANT this to be leaked? If not, would it be safe to say that someone elses head could roll due to this?

Again it comes back to the results, not the process.

This is what I didn't like. I didn't appreciate Helene writing this article and for the LA Times to print it. I am a supporter of the Kings and the players, Management, etc. I root and support whoever is there, so I support Terry Murray until he isn't coach anymore. I think this article wasn't fair to Terry. Now I don't know who it was that leaked this to Helene, but if it wasn't Dean himself, Tim Leiweke or Uncle Phil himself then I would be very upset. I think whomever did it, if it wasn't one of the three above, should have their job be in jeopardy.

Edit: I am not saying whether or not TM deserved to be let go, because I think it was time to do so. When a team is having so much trouble scoring, then a different voice needs to be put in place, so the players start listening again before it is too late. I just think how it turned out was very wrong.

 

[JR28]

I know how you feel. In the past week I've gone from being a complete supporter of TM getting this whole year to work with, to now having the thought crawl into my mind of if Sutter is hired and the Kings miss the playoffs then him and DL both need to be shown the door... I'm honestly of the belief that these players are no where near this bad and if they are turned loose and allowed to play their games that the solid team D would stay somewhat intact just due to it being ingrained in them.

I believe that unlike last seasons slump, this one is a little different. The fact of the matter is, the team wasn't really playing poorly and they were in most every game. A couple goals scored here or there and we wouldn't be in this situation, just like Scuderi said. However we are. We are also still at the point where there is still a little over half a season left and the fact is, there is really no team in the Western Conference running away. I doubt Minnesota in the end will be where they are now. The Pacific divsion from #1 to #4 is only different by 5 points. So changing now was the best thing. I dobt this little waiting period for Darryl Sutter is going to hurt us in the end. If the team misses the playoffs because of these 4 games that Sutter isn't coach of, then really there was no reason at all to make a change until the offseason.

 

[Sydor25]

Maybe I'm missing something but why do the dux have to ask washington when BB had already been fired?

He was still under contract. Contracts in the NHL are guaranteed.