Player Discussion Had Pettersson Regressed?

[Dab]

Over under on serious training days EP had this summer is set at 10.5

dude looks like he had a blast this summer f***in women and lying on the beach waiting for a contract! Surf was up, dudes! Someone tell EP that poolside Margs and fruit plates don’t provide the necessary complex proteins to gain muscle.

 

[Breakers]

2nd worst xGF last night again amongst all forwards.
Chiasson being the worst

sucks that he continues to have terrible impact 5v5 when he used to be literally lightyears better than another player on this roster in that department

 

[RoyalRed]

That's a really good point. Schmidt wanted out immediately, and I remember Edler saying that he just wasn't having fun anymore. Maybe whatever affected these former Canucks could now be affecting Pettersson. The problem is, there is so much wrong with this franchise, it really could be anything.

Time to start from the top, and flush Benning and Green down the toilet. This clearly isn't working.

Yeah I really, really want to know what the hell is going on with this organization because Edler was someone who, no matter what, wanted to play in Vancouver. For him to peace like that (which I'm fine with, by the way) says a lot. Something's up.

 

[Vector]

Nothing is up...management is bad. Coaching is bad. A lot of players were already unhappy with the 2020 offseason, especially since they finally found success as a group, had a terrible season, and then got hit with the worst case of COVID in North American professional sports. It's just a bad organization and there's no motivation. Some guys have being playing quite well (OEL, Garland, Hoglander, Hughes, Myers, and Demko jump to mind) but the others dogging it and lack of structure make it impossible to overcome.

 

[CartographerNo611]

Where all the people that wanted to give him 10.5x8 at?

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[sandwichbird2023]

The good thing is whatever seems to be bothering Petey isn't physically related, he can still skate and move like before. So it's not like he is suffering from a lingering/chronic injury.
The bad thing is whatever seems to be bothering Petey isn't physically related. Which means time doesn't necessarily makes things better.
Seeing how joyless he looks playing hockey now, comparing to his rookie season where you can't wipe the smile off his face. It's sad to see.

 

[canuckking1]

His wrist may not have healed.

Im a little worried about this and think it may end up leading to surgery. How often do these wrist things heal on their own?

 

[maroon 6]

The good thing is whatever seems to be bothering Petey isn't physically related, he can still skate and move like before. So it's not like he is suffering from a lingering/chronic injury.
The bad thing is whatever seems to be bothering Petey isn't physically related. Which means time doesn't necessarily makes things better.
Seeing how joyless he looks playing hockey now, comparing to his rookie season where you can't wipe the smile off his face. It's sad to see.

From what I’ve seen his skating is not the same. He looks noticeably slower and not as shifty as he was in the past.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

All this talk about healthy scratching him or taking him off powerplay one are hilarious because the team literally has no one else to put in his spot.

Before the game yesterday I wanted to see Garland in his spot on the PP, at least Garland moves his feet where EP just stands there with his stick up and if the pass isn't good enough for a one timer he just looks to pass it back to Hughes or Miller, he doesn't move his feet at all to generate space on the PP, he's useless there, at least Garland will move and generate space or open a lane by moving, you won't generate anything by standing still.

 

[mathonwy]

Nothing is up...management is bad. Coaching is bad. A lot of players were already unhappy with the 2020 offseason, especially since they finally found success as a group, had a terrible season, and then got hit with the worst case of COVID in North American professional sports. It's just a bad organization and there's no motivation. Some guys have being playing quite well (OEL, Garland, Hoglander, Hughes, Myers, and Demko jump to mind) but the others dogging it and lack of structure make it impossible to overcome.

Or are they unhappy about with the 2021 offseason when we lost all of that veteran leadership?

Right?

It could be that.

 

[rypper]

 

[Catamarca Livin]

He is the main issue with The Canucks potential is Petterson. if he is a regular player or worse this then is a bad team. Friedman was picking him for the Hart last year. Now he looks like teams worse forward. The puck does on his stick and he never gets the puck for himself. His strength was stick handling now he loses the puck on his own. His skating was elite now he does not win any footraces. The good news he can still pass. Hope it is bad period to learn from but he was terrible the start of last year alo. It is a big concern we need a Matthew's or McKinnon level center that he looked like he was going to be.

 

[The Vasili Jerry]

It’s the OCD in me, but it irks me to see “Had” instead of “Has” in the title. Unless we’re talking about the fact that Pettersson regressed previously and now isn’t regressing?

 

[Hoglander]

Looks to me like his brain is out of sync. He bobbles the puck almost every time he touches it. I get the impression that he has tasted the playoffs, and now feels he can coast until the games mean something. That's how this team plays: as if they have some sort of playoff spot reserved, and they don't need to earn it. Makes sense, when you consider they come out flat every game. They seem to think that they can just crank it up in the 3rd period - as if this team was from 2011

 

[Svencouver]

Shockingly, good teams somehow find a way to do both at once

 

[Quinton Byfield]

My interpretation on Petey is simple. The league is playing him tighter because they now know what kind of player he is. He no longer has the benefit of being unknown like he was his rookie season, when he was at his most dynamic. He's being more tightly checked and is up against the opposition's best each and every night. His skating is the no.1 issue, and always has been. While his top end speed is fine, his edgework, balance and acceleration is poor, and he lacks the elusiveness and escapable talents of other superstar players.

While he's clearly capable of performing better than what he is right now, Pete has simply stagnated in his development imo. Shots/60 are at 7.6, 7.8, 7.7 the last three years. Steady declining shooting % throughout his career: 19.4, 16.4, 15.9, and now 4.8. A complete inability to take faceoffs 4 years into his career.

I have no doubt that a coaching change would help and that he will regain his form eventually. But that doesn't fundamentally change his flaws as a player and that he seemingly has not worked on them. This market is so desperate for a superstar player, we've anointed him as one before he became one.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

My interpretation on Petey is simple. The league is playing him tighter because they now know what kind of player he is. He no longer has the benefit of being unknown like he was his rookie season, when he was at his most dynamic. He's being more tightly checked and is up against the opposition's best each and every night. His skating is the no.1 issue, and always has been. While his top end speed is fine, his edgework, balance and acceleration is poor, and he lacks the elusiveness and escapable talents of other superstar players.

While he's clearly capable of performing better than what he is right now, Pete has simply stagnated in his development imo. Shots/60 are at 7.6, 7.8, 7.7 the last three years. Steady declining shooting % throughout his career: 19.4, 16.4, 15.9, and now 4.8. A complete inability to take faceoffs 4 years into his career.

I have no doubt that a coaching change would help and that he will regain his form eventually. But that doesn't fundamentally change his flaws as a player and that he seemingly has not worked on them. This market is so desperate for a superstar player, we've anointed him as one before he became one.

There's probably a small amount of truth to that. But nhl coaches don't require 2 seasons to make the determination that "such and such a player is the most skilled on the other team, and has this skillset that needs to be countered". A simple glance at Pettersson's stat sheet 10 games into his rookie season and reviewing video for 2-3 of his games is all that was required for the opposition coaches and players to know exactly what they were dealing with.

I agree with the rest of your post. A big issue is Petey's shot: he was pin-point accurate during his rookie season, which made the player guarding him have to fully commit to blocking his shots which opened up the pass for him. His shot just isn't there right now. That said neither is his passing. It's got to be some combination of some factors like rust/lagging injury/no confidence/mental block.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Pettersson should have moved in with one of the Sedins in his rookie year, ala Crosby and Lemieux. Might be harsh to say, but I think if he adopted their work ethic and training regimen instead of being distracted by clothes and social media I don't think this thread would exist.

That said it took the Sedins until their 5th season to actually figure out the league. Hopefully Pettersson's recent struggles are just a bump in the road on a similar career trajectory.

 

[M2Beezy]

He is the main issue with The Canucks potential is Petterson. if he is a regular player or worse this then is a bad team. Friedman was picking him for the Hart last year. Now he looks like teams worse forward. The puck does on his stick and he never gets the puck for himself. His strength was stick handling now he loses the puck on his own. His skating was elite now he does not win any footraces. The good news he can still pass. Hope it is bad period to learn from but he was terrible the start of last year alo. It is a big concern we need a Matthew's or McKinnon level center that he looked like he was going to be.

Yeah kinda miss this Pettersson

 

[Foundational Player]

My interpretation on Petey is simple. The league is playing him tighter because they now know what kind of player he is. He no longer has the benefit of being unknown like he was his rookie season, when he was at his most dynamic. He's being more tightly checked and is up against the opposition's best each and every night. His skating is the no.1 issue, and always has been. While his top end speed is fine, his edgework, balance and acceleration is poor, and he lacks the elusiveness and escapable talents of other superstar players.

While he's clearly capable of performing better than what he is right now, Pete has simply stagnated in his development imo. Shots/60 are at 7.6, 7.8, 7.7 the last three years. Steady declining shooting % throughout his career: 19.4, 16.4, 15.9, and now 4.8. A complete inability to take faceoffs 4 years into his career.

I have no doubt that a coaching change would help and that he will regain his form eventually. But that doesn't fundamentally change his flaws as a player and that he seemingly has not worked on them. This market is so desperate for a superstar player, we've anointed him as one before he became one.

Agree with your assessment.

Now, I haven't seen every game this season but should be noted that he has been knocked on his ass and hit the ice at least a dozen times already 8 games into the season.

He's clearly still very light for his size and not the heaviest on his feet. Teams are making it a mandate to initiate any contact if he's adjacent.

Might be be something to consider and perhaps plays a part into his overall level of confidence as it had seemed in the past when he was productive and playing well he was much more elusive and better at absorbing hits from the opposition.

The faceoff issue is of major concern though, little improvement makes one question his impact as an overall complete centerman in those moments when the game is on the line. Horvat's taking the draw for sure...and that would leave Pettersson on the wing at this stage of his career.

 

[strattonius]

Where all the people that wanted to give him 10.5x8 at?

No one predicted EP to be playing at this low a level. I was in the boat that I wanted EP long term and Hughes on a bridge.

What a pointless take. It's plain to see this isn't the EP we all know and love.

 

[rypper]

Pettersson should have moved in with one of the Sedins in his rookie year, ala Crosby and Lemieux. Might be harsh to say, but I think if he adopted their work ethic and training regimen instead of being distracted by clothes and social media I don't think this thread would exist.

That said it took the Sedins until their 5th season to actually figure out the league. Hopefully Pettersson's recent struggles are just a bump in the road on a similar career trajectory.

Do you not remember Pettersson in his rookie year?

 

[Seattle Totems]

I would have no issue trading Pettersson at this point. He may never be the same player and his play has been slowly deteriorating since his rookie season. He still has tremendous value however and could return a 1st line player. There's a ready made deal in Buffalo for a top line player that wants out. Pettersson straight up is a better starting point than what Vegas would offer..

 

[rypper]

I would have no issue trading Pettersson at this point. He may never be the same player and his play has been slowly deteriorating since his rookie season. He still has tremendous value however and could return a 1st line player. There's a ready made deal in Buffalo for a top line player that wants out. Pettersson straight up is a better starting point than what Vegas would offer..

Ridiculous.

 

[The Vasili Jerry]

Ridiculous.

If there’s a stipulation in the trade about Eichel playing a certain amount of games or something to do with his injury then I would do Pettersson for Eichel. Really the only thing that worries me about Eichel is his injury. Take some of the risk about that out of the deal and I wouldn’t be against it. People forget just how damn good Eichel is and he would be motivated like crazy if you allowed him to get his surgery he wants and looked after him.