Player Discussion Had Pettersson Regressed?

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Chimpradamus

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The whole Canuck fanbase would gladly tuck in on some crow regarding this matter....The issue is..what time is it being served?
20 games? A season? I don't think you understand how tough the situation has been for this guy hockey-wise for a long time now. He's not a robot. And he's not helped by teammates like on a good team where a cold streak could be minimized. He has J.T. Miller being a headcase and Boeser struggling himself. Great start. When he struggles, who is there to pick him up, ever on this team? Hughes also missed the pre-season but didn't miss a crapton of games.

Don't even mention who is the PP coach for Vancouver. Who is that moron? It's pathetic.

Do you realize the pressure put on basically a kid? On a good team, he would have two star veterans and a strong core to help him up. But he's supposed to be one of the veteran stars already, because --- Benning. The owner. The crap hole praying their bad decisions will be covered by something perhaps not ready for holding up crap with their palms.

Give him time to figure things out when things are going tough mentally. He struggles from lack of hockey in him while he plays on a team crumbling like a leaf in a volcano.

It's all mentally, he's caught a rut and doesn't have self confidence. And management obviously isn't helping in what they tell him. So might management be an issue? WEEEELL.....

In my own thinking from going way back to the start? He never should've been created to be a center. He should always have been a fast, dangerous winger. But Vancouver sucks, so they put Pettersson at center instead. Why should he be the most defensively responsible forward on the ice? It's f***ing ridiculous. He should give the guy to rush forward and score points.

Boeser - Miller - Pettersson. That's the 1st line. Let Miller grow back to confidence by being a physical center.
 
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20 games? A season? I don't think you understand how tough the situation has been for this guy hockey-wise for a long time now. He's not a robot. And he's not helped by teammates like on a good team where a cold streak could be minimized. He has J.T. Miller being a headcase and Boeser struggling himself. Great start. When he struggles, who is there to pick him up, ever on this team? Hughes also missed the pre-season but didn't miss a crapton of games.

Do you realize the pressure put on basically a kid? On a good team, he would have two star veterans and a strong core to help him up. But he's supposed to be one of the veteran stars already, because --- Benning. The owner. The crap hole praying their bad decisions will be covered by something perhaps not ready for holding up crap with their palms.

Give him time to figure things out when things are going tough mentally. He struggles from lack of hockey in him while he plays on a team crumbling like a leaf in a volcano.
I'm as big fan of EP as anybody......Yes, he's missed a fair amount of hockey....You're making up a whack load of excuses though..When your making $7.35M a season, you should be driving that line...Miller and Brock Boeser are also struggling, but they are good players..Its not like EP is playing with a bunch of absolute plugs.

If your star player has to play on a really good team to demonstrate that he's any good..Thats not a good sign.
 

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I'm as big fan of EP as anybody.Yes, he's missed a fair amount of hockey....You're making up a whack load of excuses though..When your making $7.35M a season, you should be driving that line...Miller and Brock Boeser are also struggling, but they are good players..Its not like EP is playing with a bunch of absolute plugs.

If your star player has to play on a really good team to demonstrate that he's any good..Thats not a god sign.
I edited, so I say it again, Boeser - Miller - Pettersson is the lineup. Let Miller be a physical center so he can build up his confidence taking defensive responsibility and allow Petey to rush the game from his original wing. Mix it up a bit for all of them.

And the PP? Who is the PP coach? Some guy from the 70s?
 

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I edited, so I say it again, Boeser - Miller - Pettersson is the lineup. Let Miller be a physical center so he can build up his confidence taking defensive responsibility and allow Petey to rush the game from his original wing. Mix it up a bit for all of them.

And the PP? Who is the PP coach? Some guy from the 70s?
So elias is a franchise center that can't play center or defense, or take faceoffs but is being paid 7.35M to do those things? Somehow it's management's fault that he hasn't improved his skating, edgework, balance or strength after being drafted 5 years ago?

That poor Petey. Playing with a bunch of plugs in Boeser that *checks notes* led the team in scoring last year or Miller that led in scoring 2 years ago, was 2nd last year, and is leading the team again this year. How about one of the league's very best offensive defenseman in Quinn Hughes? Better throw in an elite goalie in Demko for good measure.

It's not like we're even asking him to be focus on his defensive responsibilities which is resulting in less offensive chances. He is straight up looking like ass. Frustrated that things aren't going his way, like a petulant child. Playing lazy and uninspired hockey. You want to demand superstar treatment, complain that you want to play on a good team, you have your part to play in making a team good. The expectation is that you be a leader on your team because you are now the 2nd highest paid player on that team. To grow, to push yourself to be the best version of yourself you can be.

I have no doubt he'll be fine over a seasons worth of games. But to me, ppg is not enough anymore. The baseline of ppg was established in his rookie season. If he fails to improve upon that 4 years into his career with more talent around him, then he's not the player we all thought he was. Time to step up.
 
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He needs to play in the middle of the ice and not along the boards as much, play to his strengths. He has great vision, deking, passing, stick handling, quick accurate release. He was very slick and sneaky in his rookie year, sneaking into high danger areas and capitalizing he’s becoming more predictable now for defences.
 

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So elias is a franchise center that can't play center or defense, or take faceoffs but is being paid 7.35M to do those things? Somehow it's management's fault that he hasn't improved his skating, edgework, balance or strength after being drafted 5 years ago?

That poor Petey. Playing with a bunch of plugs in Boeser that *checks notes* led the team in scoring last year or Miller that led in scoring 2 years ago, was 2nd last year, and is leading the team again this year. How about one of the league's very best offensive defenseman in Quinn Hughes? Better throw in an elite goalie in Demko for good measure.

It's not like we're even asking him to be focus on his defensive responsibilities which is resulting in less offensive chances. He is straight up looking like ass. Frustrated that things aren't going his way, like a petulant child. Playing lazy and uninspired hockey. You want to demand superstar treatment, complain that you want to play on a good team, you have your part to play in making a team good. The expectation is that you be a leader on your team because you are now the 2nd highest paid player on that team. To grow, to push yourself to be the best version of yourself you can be.

I have no doubt he'll be fine over a seasons worth of games. But to me, ppg is not enough anymore. The baseline of ppg was established in his rookie season. If he fails to improve upon that 4 years into his career with more talent around him, then he's not the player we all thought he was. Time to step up.
Yeah, sure, I don't disagree he has sucked ass. I understand going the royal way, but I think of it differently I guess. This is just what I want to get straight...

So the franchise in itself can be how useless it wants, as long as it doesn't crash the $$$, it's fine how useless you are as a competitive "club". You can never be demoted. It's a company. But a player can just continue sinking without belief of any support? Shark tank, pure capitalism? That's the enviroment the franchises have created at least towards the players. We're seeing that more and more in contract negotiations, without question. It started with Nylander in Toronto, kind of, because his father Michael Nylander knew what kind of ruthless, ignorant bastards he had to deal with in his career. Profit hungry, short sighted morons with a tie.

It's funny how the NHL works the opposite from actual sports that way. Because the NHL is not primarily a sports league. It's a franchise created around making money on... wrestling, burgers, or hockey. Yeah, hockey. Great!

So the owners are... pathetic for the most part. And the management is... usually hilariously bad, honestly. And the coaches are... somewhat incredibly mediocre. Do I see a pattern here? How come ONLY THE PLAYERS are held to a f***ing standard here in a sport? Because it isn't a sport! That's the problem!

I don't say I mean Pettersson doesn't deserve to get his game back up on the third line, but it's clearly mental, whatever role you give him doesn't matter right now. He needs some spiritual boost, a motivation he doesn't have to fear his enviroment for struggling.

Let me put it this way. When Peter Forsberg entered the league, he played great for 3 games, then he struggled for like 8 games. He sucked. So the GM called him in: "What are you doing?"
Forsberg: "What do you mean?"
Crawford: "Start playing, stop thinking about... I'm not going to send you down or anything."


And Forsberg carried on to the HHOF.

I'm not saying the conversation should go with those exact words, but the geist is there. Maybe it should even be the incompetent coach if he's capable and intellegent enough for that kind of talk. Management has to show Petey they believe in him and don't care he struggles, to relieve him of an external pressure while handling a rut. I can GUARANTEE YOU this sort of conversation hasn't happened, probably much more of the opposite. It's Benning and the clown coach we're talking about. They have no clue what they're doing.

Why do you think the chemistry and the overall vibe of the team feels like shit? Have you ever asked yourself that question?
 

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Petey can into the NHL and dominated with skill not physical domination..

His skill has not disappeared.

Petey will regain his dominant play... just a slow start due to a poor short camp / preseason.

Guys like Petey are hard on themselves as they are DRIVEN.

The old Petey will be back soon. Mark my words.

Reminds me of John a guy on my mixed level C Wednesday night bowling team. John can start slow some years but he is just too much of an athletic / and to driven-competitive to not regain his league dominance each year. Cream always floats to the top.. my pops used to tell me..
 

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I don't say I mean Pettersson doesn't deserve to get his game back up on the third line, but it's clearly mental, whatever role you give him doesn't matter right now. He needs some spiritual boost, a motivation he doesn't have to fear his enviroment for struggling.

Let me put it this way. When Peter Forsberg entered the league, he played great for 3 games, then he struggled for like 8 games. He sucked. So the GM called him in: "What are you doing?"
Forsberg: "What do you mean?"
Crawford: "Start playing, stop thinking about... I'm not going to send you down or anything."


And Forsberg carried on to the HHOF.


Makes me think of how Mike Keenan turned Jokinen's career around. Basically became his personal trainer and motivator. Keenan's method with guys he identified as his pet project was to play them until they figure things out.

If Green's treatment of a struggling Miller is any indication, I think Green is going to ride Petey and hope he figures things out sooner rather than later.
 

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Makes me think of how Mike Keenan turned Jokinen's career around. Basically became his personal trainer and motivator. Keenan's method with guys he identified as his pet project was to play them until they figure things out.

If Green's treatment of a struggling Miller is any indication, I think Green is going to ride Petey and hope he figures things out sooner rather than later.
Yeah, it's going great with Miller mentally. Heralded for shouting the loudest F bomb in the NHL after a shift this week. Great positive energy and confidence spread throughout the team. It's going great for him, his confidence and the team.
 

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I would be happy with a competent GM shopping him around at this point. He hates the coach, team or organization. Just a piss poor effort. Never seen a player fall so much without diving.
 

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I hear his surfing skills are top notch after a lot of practice this summer
 

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So elias is a franchise center that can't play center or defense, or take faceoffs but is being paid 7.35M to do those things?

he is being paid basted on his 2nd season's performance. Can't really fault Benning on this one. No one thought Petey will struggle this badly.
 

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I haven't watched any full Vancouver games, but I noticed his shooting percentage is currently at 3.7, compared to his usual >15%. Hopefully that means he's had bad luck so far, even if he hasn't been playing up to his standards either.
 
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Bobby9

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Haven’t seen a player this weak on his skate since….ever. Something outside of the rink has gotta be going on with this guy.

He’s being outplayed by Hog, Miller,
Boeser, Garland, Horvat, Podz and Bailey up front.

Playing at a 40P pace.
 
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I haven't watched any full Vancouver games, but I noticed his shooting percentage is currently at 3.7, compared to his usual >15%. Hopefully that means he's had bad luck so far, even if he hasn't been playing up to his standards either.

He's had bad luck for sure, but even with that being said he's been terrible

zero confidence, can't even take passes, bad passes, falling down, easily knocked off the puck, perimeter play, refusing to shoot on the PP

It's especially frustrating when you know how skilled he is
 
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He’s a very good complimentary player (so is Hughes), he’s not a McDavid type of game breaking superstar (which we desperately need), still think he has the potential to be a top 10 Center in the league, but progression has stagnated which is a concern.
 

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I would be happy with a competent GM shopping him around at this point. He hates the coach, team or organization. Just a piss poor effort. Never seen a player fall so much without diving.
He hates the front office because they are incompetent. Keep in mind that he knows a lot of things that we don't. What we see is only the tip of the iceberg. How about we get a new front office and a new coach before getting rid of Petey. People who want to trade him and keep Jim and Green, are either insane or are just Benning fans. The irony is that Petey saved Jim's job in 2019 with his play that season. Maybe he is also the one who gets him fired.
 
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I would be happy with a competent GM shopping him around at this point. He hates the coach, team or organization. Just a piss poor effort. Never seen a player fall so much without diving.
It's getting extremely concerning.
You have to really analyze this asset and project. There'd be teams lining up for him rn, maybe not so much next summer after a 43 pts season.

Its really not looking good right now or for awhile. A rookie playing this bad gets sent down or scratched 30 games ago.

He's definitely not developing much, how many times have we said that already........
 

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Let’s be honest… he’s a disaster right now. Now and again he makes a nice pass , but he’s supposed to be a franchise centre.
 

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Cause he thinks he’s better than he is and hasn’t shown f*** all.

Fine to win but he looks like a player who should be on league minimum rather than 7M+
Yeah.

He knows.

For whatever reason, Petey has chosen to NOT play entertaining hockey for the Aquilinis right now.
 
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