Post-Game Talk: Habs

[duhmetreE]

Through their first 178 NHL games...

Alexander Daigle 103pts
Nail Yakupov 79pts
Alexis Lafrenière 70pts

this means nothing to me.

Caufield was a bust last season until MSL took over. Magically he remembered how to play.
Dach was a a bust in Chicago until he was traded to MTL. Magically he is starting to live up to his potential
Suzuki had a pedestrian start last season... until MSL took over.

I'm not saying I want to be a terrible team that has no structure... but the young forwards are receiving limited instruction/coaching. We're playing dated hockey on top of it. It's not only the kids because our offense 5v5 has been below average to terrible on all fronts with all comers.

 

[chosen]

He was never supposed to be a generational talent. But a franchise player, sure.

Perhaps, but he was compared to Perreault and Messier by Gretzky and another scout compared him to Mario Lemieux and Peter Forsberg

The analytics guy has plenty of evidence that forwards are historically bad on this team. You keep trying to make it out to be the Loch Ness monster when everyone else on the board sees it.



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The Loch Ness Monster?

 

[CLW]

Young offensive players who don’t make egregious mistakes aren’t taking any risks, which means you end up with a whole lot of nothing. I don’t think it’s even the coach necessarily, it’s just the expectation to win.

Take a look at Panarin. He gets his pts while racking up a fistful of cross ice turnovers every game. He takes a lot of chances which backfire, but that risky style is still conducive to generating points.

Micheletti was talking about how Kravtsov made a mistake and was sat the next shift or two. No wonder our forward kids play with their balls snipped. The D kids have their own rules again, much more leeway for mistakes even awful ones (unless you're Jones).

 

[will1066]

I don't like hockey

 

[Machinehead]

The Loch Ness Monster?

Yes, the lake creature over which there's debate whether or not it exists.

This is like we have a giant elephant on our chests and you're like "can you prove there are elephants?"

 

[Machinehead]

I don't like hockey

Nobody should.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Young offensive players who don’t make egregious mistakes aren’t taking any risks, which means you end up with a whole lot of nothing. I don’t think it’s even the coach necessarily, it’s just the expectation to win.

Take a look at Panarin. He gets his pts while racking up a fistful of cross ice turnovers every game. He takes a lot of chances which backfire, but that risky style is still conducive to generating points.

Yes, That's Panarin's style but can't the other 2 score every now and create chances while still being responsible in other areas of the ice. They need to be more noticeable when they are on the ice. Right now they are just meh.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Maybe it really is the country club “I’m playing in NYC atmosphere where guys are happy to be here and live in the city and play and get paid and have a good time.” It’s a double edged sword, players want to come here which is good but the environment also causes players to relax and maybe not be as gung ho.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Maybe it really is the country club “I’m playing in NYC atmosphere where guys are happy to be here and live in the city and play and get paid and have a good time.” It’s a double edged sword, players want to come here which is good but the environment also causes players to relax and maybe not be as gung ho.

This team plays hard almost every night and has won a lot of games the last 2 years. Every team has nights when they don't play their best and it doesn't matter if you play in NYC or Winnipeg.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

You are overreacting over 1 loss. They had 110 point season and made it to ECF last year. They are on pace for over 100 points this year and in solid playoff position. They have talent and a ton of young talent at that.

And yet they're a failure where it counts the most -- the playoffs.

 

[Machinehead]

This team plays hard almost every night and has won a lot of games the last 2 years. Every team has nights when they don't play their best and it doesn't matter if you play in NYC or Winnipeg.

I think it's all the way the other way. What they do accomplish, they get by on dirty-area goals.

They have no f***ing talent and most guys don't try to show their talent.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

This team plays hard almost every night and has won a lot of games the last 2 years. Every team has nights when they don't play their best and it doesn't matter if you play in NYC or Winnipeg.

This team plays hard almost every night?

 

[ajdj10]

This team plays hard almost every night?

I think he meant they play in a way that makes it hard on themselves every night.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I don't know about if he's even doing that, he stops skating and coasts everywhere lol

Yeah he’s like a person going to the gym to do cardio but only walking on the treadmill for 5 minutes and then getting a smoothie.

 

[ReddestRum]

Here's some crazy stats.

Rangers are 3rd in the league in missed shots.
Trocheck is tied for 1st w/ McDavid in shots that hit the post with 10.
Trocheck is also 6th for missed shots that go over the net.
Zibs is 7th for shots that go wide.

LOL.

 

[TheDirtyH]

We've seen this team play very differently and very effectively. And against top competition. What's maddening is how rarely that's the case and the non-answers about why that's the case.

I'm as frustrated with Laf and Kakko as anyone, but I just don't see the point in harping on them. There's a guy who makes over 10% of our cap space between them and is purportedly a top 10 center in the world and he accomplishes nothing at even strength, no matter who you put on his line. It's so beyond 'the kids.'

The problem with the kids as far as I can tell is that they play just like the rest of the forwards. The lines are indistinguishable from one another, equally ineffective at nearly all of the same things. They pass when they should shoot, miss the net when they have a clear shot, send passes into each others skates... players will cycle the puck to no one, they watch passes go through them the other way, they shit their pants when an opponents defenseman pinches. It's frustrating that Lafreniere looks like Goodrow. It's maddening that Lafreniere looks like Goodrow who looks like Kreider who looks like Vesey who looks like Zibanejad. And the only players you can tell apart, you can do so only because they suck in their unique, one-of-a-kind ways (panarin).

 

[will1066]

Here's some crazy stats.

Rangers are 3rd in the league in missed shots.
Trocheck is tied for 1st w/ McDavid in shots that hit the post with 10.
Trocheck is also 6th for missed shots that go over the net.
Zibs is 7th for shots that go wide.

LOL.

This is the quality content im here for.

 

[ElLeetch]

as i said during pregame. should have taken Caufield's head off first shift to send a message. we let a midget beat us. I hate how soft the modern game is. players like him should not be able to survive.

 

[tlk]

Blouse

 

[ReddestRum]

This is the quality content im here for.

 

[egelband]

Maybe it really is the country club “I’m playing in NYC atmosphere where guys are happy to be here and live in the city and play and get paid and have a good time.” It’s a double edged sword, players want to come here which is good but the environment also causes players to relax and maybe not be as gung ho.

I think this is part of it. Not conscious. Not dramatic. But these guys have a harder time finding that next gear

Young offensive players who don’t make egregious mistakes aren’t taking any risks, which means you end up with a whole lot of nothing. I don’t think it’s even the coach necessarily, it’s just the expectation to win.

Take a look at Panarin. He gets his pts while racking up a fistful of cross ice turnovers every game. He takes a lot of chances which backfire, but that risky style is still conducive to generating points.

This is a very good point.

 

[Machinehead]

Here's some crazy stats.

Rangers are 3rd in the league in missed shots.
Trocheck is tied for 1st w/ McDavid in shots that hit the post with 10.
Trocheck is also 6th for missed shots that go over the net.
Zibs is 7th for shots that go wide.

LOL.

McDavid has like 63 goals and has hit the post 10 times. That's amazing.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Yeah but the D cannot for the life of them get the puck up to an F with speed, partly because no F's are skating apart from occasionally Tro and Fil trying to deke through the opposing team and Zib going on a gallop. The wingers are standing about with their asses glued to the boards waiting for a puck to push up the ice... We have no transition game and that's been an issue since Gallant came. We did have one under Quinn even if it wasn't perfect. I disliked Quinn because his Pejorative Slured use/punishment of the kids etc, but in some hockey aspects the team has regressed since Gallant took over.

Quinn had his strong points, better counter attacks/rush plays, MUCH better creativity than Gallant. Gallant is much better with the locker room and a canny old fox in some respects when it comes to managing the team's game, but his X and O's are a joke and his ideas very dated.

Agreed.....Rarely do you see the Ranger pass hit a player in stride.

I also don't understand why the receiving players has to stop and settle the puck before continuing up the ice. This alone has killed many scoring chances.

 

[ajdj10]

Here's some crazy stats.

Rangers are 3rd in the league in missed shots.
Trocheck is tied for 1st w/ McDavid in shots that hit the post with 10.
Trocheck is also 6th for missed shots that go over the net.
Zibs is 7th for shots that go wide.

LOL.

We've been unlucky, have played well and deserved to win more.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

And the only players you can tell apart, you can do so only because they suck in their unique, one-of-a-kind ways (panarin).

Sometimes I wonder how Julien Gauthier couldn't get a single minute of ice time in the playoffs when we were trotting out Reaves, Brodzinski and Panarin's visibly injured hobbling linemates, and sometimes I wonder what it must be like telling that guy to do anything