Post-Game Talk: Habs

[PuckLuck3043]

They also have barely anything to show out of the famed 2018 trade deadline with the letter.

Between McDonagh, Miller, Nash, Zuccarello, Hayes--- that group of players should have returned enough future capital to fund a Cup contender alone. We are the only franchise that had such a headstart on a rebuild-- getting to liquidate a roster just a few months removed from the 2nd round of the playoffs. Not too mention the best goalie in the world in your system, a franchise 1C and a 50 goal winger already on the team.

And all we have to show for it is the pick used to draft Miller, Lindgren, Matthew Robertson and the Stars 2023 1st round pick. And Trouba. McDonagh was traded out of fears of his contract only to give that same contract to Trouba. Yikes.

The Rangers are such an unnatural team, no franchise goes from drafting 1st overall to the ECF in two seasons. The issue is that it is too short a time frame to fill out the roster with young drafted talent.

Beyond Kakko, Laf, Miller, Lindgren and Schneider- do we have any prospects drafted from the 2018 draft on as regular NHL players?

If the answer is no, the rebuild was a failure before it even had the chance to get started. Either that or signing Panarin ended the rebuild before it ever had the chance to get started, and thus ended any leeway to allow our young talent to develop without the pressure of Cup contention hanging over their heads.

Again, so unnatural.

You are overreacting over 1 loss. They had 110 point season and made it to ECF last year. They are on pace for over 100 points this year and in solid playoff position. They have talent and a ton of young talent at that.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Statistically, they're right about the league average in scoring goals.

Sorry, I should have stated at 5v5 they are below average.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Also these past few games have shown that our PP ain’t shit without the best net front presence in the league. Laf can’t even hold Krieders jock when it comes to that.

Kreider hasn't been very good in front of the net this year either. PP was broken before Laf was put on it

 

[chosen]

It’s a very talented but very inconsistent team. Which is why we’re in the front half of the league but can seemingly beat or lose to anyone on any given night.

It’s the makeup of a playoff-bound team that likely can’t make a run unless we find some level of consistency.

Can't you say the exact same thing about the teams near them in the standings?

Besides Boston, nobody is consistently winning.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Can't you say the exact same thing about the teams near them in the standings?

Besides Boston, nobody is consistently winning.

Yes. And I’d rather the Rangers not be a team that is a coin flip to beat 10 other teams in the league. Because the implied odds winning a Cup that way are terrible.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

It's time to move Chytil up two 2nd line RW. VK74, Jimbo, Laf are not top six players right now. Give the 2nd line a shooting threat.

I think guys like Miller, Schneider, Chytil, Kakko are noticeable and contribute. I just never see Laf or Kravs doing much of anything. They aren't making egregious mistakes but they aren't driving play either. I don't know what should be done with them.

 

[chosen]

I think the Rangers value their nebulous "doing the right thing" over fostering skill.

I also believe there tends to be an attitude here that offense is freelance and doesn't need to be taught, which is not true.

I just don't know how one would prove something like that.

Quinn was supposedly a teaching coach and a few players like Zib and Buch improved their offense tremendously under him, but almost everyone here hated him.

 

[Machinehead]

I just don't know how one would prove something like that.

Quinn was supposedly a teaching coach and a few players like Zib and Buch improved their offense tremendously under him, but almost everyone here hated him.

I don't have to. This isn't court.

I can see it.

 

[chosen]

Shesterkin's criminally underrated

You don't believe he's anywhere near as dominant as last season. Last season was arguably one of the 5 greatest seasons ever put up by a goalie.

 

[CLW]

To be fair so does Krav and Kakko. The only one that moves their ass constantly of the younger group is Chytil.

Only Fil, Tro and Zib are skating. The wingers all stand with their asses glued to the boards. It's Gallant hockey.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Maybe some more experienced guys than Glass and Ortmeyer for one of the richest teams in the league? Where did these two hone their craft? Tanner Glass was still playing hockey in 2019. The joke of this is that they could have anyone they wanted because money isnt an option and they got the least experienced guys they could find.

The problem is the organization. A lot of people don't want to work for Sather/Dolan...and I'm sure a good number don't like the way the organization is run. Even Scotty Bowman turned down an offer from the Rangers. Just sayin'.

 

[chosen]

I think the organization had a solid model for timing the rebuild and building a contender. Obviously, on paper, they were helped out by lottery luck. Continuing to get nothing out of the high draft picks at forward is going to force them to make a weird trade when someone's value is in the Mariana Trench, or it's going to force them to ice basically the same team for 5 years hoping a new coach or a new line or something can unplug Alexis Lafreniere and plug him back in

It's not management's fault that at least at this point in time, Laf is one of the most underperforning #1 picks in NHL history. Many said he had a chance to be a generational talent. I still think he can end up a 1st-liner, but he better hurry up.

 

[Ail]

Low to high. That's our only gameplan. Turn the puck around the perimeter. Get nothing out of a minute of possession. Stand still. Get shot blocked. Dump it into an empty corner and give up possesion. repeat.

Transition? LUL

Seriously, every game it's the same shit. I hate how accurate this. So many shifts they appear to do so much but actually accomplish so little.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

It's not management's fault that at least at this point in time, Laf is one of the most underperforning #1 picks in NHL history. Many said he had a chance to be a generational talent. I still think he can end up a 1st-liner, but he better hurry up.

He was never supposed to be a generational talent. But a franchise player, sure.

 

[CLW]

The lack of odd-man rushes this team creates is pretty concerning.

That’s seemingly where guys like Panarin and Zibanejad are incredibly dangerous 5v5, but we look like we’re skating in quicksand most nights.

Yeah but the D cannot for the life of them get the puck up to an F with speed, partly because no F's are skating apart from occasionally Tro and Fil trying to deke through the opposing team and Zib going on a gallop. The wingers are standing about with their asses glued to the boards waiting for a puck to push up the ice... We have no transition game and that's been an issue since Gallant came. We did have one under Quinn even if it wasn't perfect. I disliked Quinn because his Pejorative Slured use/punishment of the kids etc, but in some hockey aspects the team has regressed since Gallant took over.

Quinn had his strong points, better counter attacks/rush plays, MUCH better creativity than Gallant. Gallant is much better with the locker room and a canny old fox in some respects when it comes to managing the team's game, but his X and O's are a joke and his ideas very dated.

Gallant (b. 63)
Quinn (b. 66)
AV (b. 61)
Torts (b. 58)
Ruff (b. 60)
Tocchet (b. 64)
Evason (wild coach b. 64)
Quenneville (b. 58)
Cooper (b. 67)
Laviolette (b. 64)
Cassidy (b. 65)
DeBoer (b. 68)
Berube (b. 65)
Sutter (b. 68)
Trotz (b. 62)
Eakins (b. 67)
*Bednar (b. 72)
*Hynes (b. 75)
Babcock (b. 63)
Granato (b. 67)
Hakstol (b. 68)
*Brunette (b. 73)
Montgomery (b. 69).
*MSL (b. 75)

What is it with these old fart NHL coaches? Where is the next gen with fresh ideas?

 

[chosen]

Yes. And I’d rather the Rangers not be a team that is a coin flip to beat 10 other teams in the league. Because the implied odds winning a Cup that way are terrible.

I'd rather they were playing like Boston, too.

 

[CLW]

Assistants are also extremely underrated, especially tactically and in-terms of shaping skills.

We hired a bunch of old head nobodies while the Devils hired the best young assistant in the league.

Yup totally agreed.

 

[chosen]

I don't have to. This isn't court.

I can see it.

The analytics guy is switching to the eye test he usually makes fun of.

 

[xsniper11x]

I think guys like Miller, Schneider, Chytil, Kakko are noticeable and contribute. I just never see Laf or Kravs doing much of anything. They aren't making egregious mistakes but they aren't driving play either. I don't know what should be done with them.

Young offensive players who don’t make egregious mistakes aren’t taking any risks, which means you end up with a whole lot of nothing. I don’t think it’s even the coach necessarily, it’s just the expectation to win.

Take a look at Panarin. He gets his pts while racking up a fistful of cross ice turnovers every game. He takes a lot of chances which backfire, but that risky style is still conducive to generating points.

 

[duhmetreE]

Assistants are also extremely underrated, especially tactically and in-terms of shaping skills.

We hired a bunch of old head nobodies while the Devils hired the best young assistant in the league.

Maybe he'll be our head coach

I can't wait to play hockey from the 21st century

Just like Sather hired his friends/acquaintances, Gallant has his buddy tag along as well.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Through their first 178 NHL games...

Alexander Daigle 103pts
Nail Yakupov 79pts
Alexis Lafrenière 70pts

 

[Machinehead]

The analytics guy is switching to the eye test he usually makes fun of.

The analytics guy has plenty of evidence that forwards are historically bad on this team. You keep trying to make it out to be the Loch Ness monster when everyone else on the board sees it.

Through their first 178 NHL games...

Alexander Daigle 103pts
Nail Yakupov 79pts
Alexis Lafrenière 70pts

 

[egelband]

All the stickhandling on the outside looks really pretty until it ends up in a pass up the boards to the point for a Trouba or Harpur shot that gets blocked.

I’ve been banging about this for a while. Lots of pat-a-cake - lookin’ good - but not much to upset a goalie. They were a bit more aggressive the past few weeks but it sounds like they’re back to their old flaccid ways.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

He was never supposed to be a generational talent. But a franchise player, sure.

And thanks mostly to whatever Adam Fox is, if I could just be confident that Lafreniere could be James van Riemsdyk or Evander Kane I would feel great about this group!

It's easy to pick apart things like the awful McDonagh trade, or the fact that we had to make a waiver claim on a guy we probably don't even like after getting our first two injuries of the season because Hartford has nothing, and a lot of the games have been pretty dreary to watch this year, but the Rangers still have a lot of talent

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I’ve been banging about this for a while. Lots of pat-a-cake - lookin’ good - but not much to upset a goalie. They were a bit more aggressive the past few weeks but it sounds like they’re back to their old flaccid ways.

We haven’t connected on a royal road pass in two months