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Panarin still with Trocheck after all this time is Gallant's most unforgivable mistake of all. They have no chemistry, Panarin is not elevating Trocheck offensively and Trocheck is not covering for Panarin defensively.

Already Trocheck is one of the worst contracts in the league.
 
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JT Kreider said:
Panarin still with Trocheck after all this time is Gallant's most unforgivable mistake of all. They have no chemistry, Panarin is not elevating Trocheck offensively and Trocheck is not covering for Panarin defensively.

Already Trocheck is one of the worst contracts in the league.
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This is true. They don't play the game similarly at all, especially when they have the puck in the offensive zone. I'm not advocating for Strome again however he knew where Panarin wanted him when he had the puck on the wall, Trocheck doesn't. It's not a fit and should be broken up immediately.
 
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If all of a team's forwards sucked and the coach was a moron, that team would have to be a lottery team, not around the 10th best team in the league. And this season you can't argue that Shesterkin is carrying a bad team.

Machinehead said:
I get what he's saying.

The best players are often bad coaches, yes, but I think hiring Ortmeyer and Glass is indicative of what this organization values. Two absolute scrubs who did things and stuff.

It's the values that hurt development, not the coaching itself.

And if you do believe it's the coaching, keep in mind that the people with those values are hiring the coaches.
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What values are you referring to?
 
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chosen said:
If all of a team's forwards sucked and the coach was a moron, that team would have to be a lottery team, not around the 10th best team in the league. And this season you can't argue that Shesterkin is carrying a bad team.
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Not all of the forwards are bad obviously, in saying that this team is a below average offensive team and that's not disputable.
 
chosen said:
If all of a team's forwards sucked and the coach was a moron, that team would have to be a lottery team, not around the 10th best team in the league. And this season you can't argue that Shesterkin is carrying a bad team.
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It’s a very talented but very inconsistent team. Which is why we’re in the front half of the league but can seemingly beat or lose to anyone on any given night.

It’s the makeup of a playoff-bound team that likely can’t make a run unless we find some level of consistency.
 
Looked to me like a typical Sunday afternoon skate in the park against a bottom feeder team that they expected to beat by just showing up. Way too many losses this year against shit teams. Typical playing down to a lesser opponent. You would think they would learn. I understand losing games but this team has lost way too many points by not giving an honest effort. This team also has very little depth also so when they are missing 2 forwards they have some scrubs playing. Need a middle 6 and a bottom 6 guy at the deadline.
 
chosen said:
If all of a team's forwards sucked and the coach was a moron, that team would have to be a lottery team, not around the 10th best team in the league. And this season you can't argue that Shesterkin is carrying a bad team.



What values are you referring to?
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Shesterkin's criminally underrated
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DanielBrassard said:
This is true. They don't play the game similarly at all, especially when they have the puck in the offensive zone. I'm not advocating for Strome again however he knew where Panarin wanted him when he had the puck on the wall, Trocheck doesn't. It's not a fit and should be broken up immediately.
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It kinda felt like the plan was "Trocheck is a better player than Strome, Panarin is an elite player that can elevate anyone he plays with"-- but that seems to have been such a dumb idea, only roster building on paper.

They need to either stick Chytil with Panarin for good, or trade for a center that Panarin can play with, essentially forcing Trocheck into a 4th line role.
 
offense from the forwards has been dogshit for how many games now? Last 10 periods, forwards only have 1 goal.

Power play has been stagnant, how many games now?

When are the coaches going to coach?

Low to high. That's our only gameplan. Turn the puck around the perimeter. Get nothing out of a minute of possession. Stand still. Get shot blocked. Dump it into an empty corner and give up possesion. repeat.

Transition? LUL

No one can think quick or get the puck off quick. No one is ever expecting the puck in scoring areas, they are always caught off guard as if they were day dreaming. Cant hit the net. Wont even attempt to hit the net.

It's ok though, because we're sick. This isn't the same issues we've had for years now.
 
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chosen said:
If all of a team's forwards sucked and the coach was a moron, that team would have to be a lottery team, not around the 10th best team in the league. And this season you can't argue that Shesterkin is carrying a bad team.
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I think the organization had a solid model for timing the rebuild and building a contender. Obviously, on paper, they were helped out by lottery luck. Continuing to get nothing out of the high draft picks at forward is going to force them to make a weird trade when someone's value is in the Mariana Trench, or it's going to force them to ice basically the same team for 5 years hoping a new coach or a new line or something can unplug Alexis Lafreniere and plug him back in
 
JT Kreider said:
It kinda felt like the plan was "Trocheck is a better player than Strome, Panarin is an elite player that can elevate anyone he plays with"-- but that seems to have been such a dumb idea, only roster building on paper.

They need to either stick Chytil with Panarin for good, or trade for a center that Panarin can play with, essentially forcing Trocheck into a 4th line role.
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It'd have to be Chytil. Trocheck seemed to play his best hockey with Kreider and Vesey, two guys who play a heavier north south game which is what Trocheck likes.
 
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the PP sucking is the problem. i was watching some highlights from last year and it just looks completely different. crisp passing and lots of movement, scoring chance after scoring chance. they just stand around this year. they need to go back to what they were doing last year.
 
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the PP sucking is the problem. i was watching some highlights from last year and it just looks completely different. crisp passing and lots of movement, scoring chance after scoring chance. they just stand around this year. they need to go back to what they were doing last year.
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It's pride and arrogance. Just showing up should be enough... Fart smelling sommeliers
 
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Tob said:
Kakko was pretty good. Has been all season. Lafreniere is a defensive liability in all three zones and does nothing offensively. Guy is checked out. That's why Gallant scratched him to wake him up. Didn't work.
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He doesn't produce. I don't really care that he's able to circle a few times around the net with the puck before the play dies on his stick.
 
Zero Way Center said:
I think the organization had a solid model for timing the rebuild and building a contender. Obviously, on paper, they were helped out by lottery luck. Continuing to get nothing out of the high draft picks at forward is going to force them to make a weird trade when someone's value is in the Mariana Trench, or it's going to force them to ice basically the same team for 5 years hoping a new coach or a new line or something can unplug Alexis Lafreniere and plug him back in
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They also have barely anything to show out of the famed 2018 trade deadline with the letter.

Between McDonagh, Miller, Nash, Zuccarello, Hayes--- that group of players should have returned enough future capital to fund a Cup contender alone. We are the only franchise that had such a headstart on a rebuild-- getting to liquidate a roster just a few months removed from the 2nd round of the playoffs. Not too mention the best goalie in the world in your system, a franchise 1C and a 50 goal winger already on the team.

And all we have to show for it is the pick used to draft Miller, Lindgren, Matthew Robertson and the Stars 2023 1st round pick. And Trouba. McDonagh was traded out of fears of his contract only to give that same contract to Trouba. Yikes.

The Rangers are such an unnatural team, no franchise goes from drafting 1st overall to the ECF in two seasons. The issue is that it is too short a time frame to fill out the roster with young drafted talent.

Beyond Kakko, Laf, Miller, Lindgren and Schneider- do we have any prospects drafted from the 2018 draft on as regular NHL players?

If the answer is no, the rebuild was a failure before it even had the chance to get started. Either that or signing Panarin ended the rebuild before it ever had the chance to get started, and thus ended any leeway to allow our young talent to develop without the pressure of Cup contention hanging over their heads.

Again, so unnatural.
 
It's time to move Chytil up to 2nd line RW. VK74, Jimbo, Laf are not top six players right now. Give the 2nd line a shooting threat.
 
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