Grub's Canucks & NHL News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | Training Camp Begins

[JT Milker]

Yeah I've had so many injuries, many serious ones too unfortunately, that I have a wealth of experience. You certainly compare injuries of any sort in the same area or muscle group that are even slightly related when you're trying to figure out an injury of a key player. Sometimes you have nothing else, sometimes at least it's a place to start understanding what you're dealing with. Even knowing McDavid completely damaged his and came back as McDavid is somewhat encouraging, even if the circumstances are completely different there is some valuable info there.



That was dumb though. We all saw the results of how players can make up their own minds and how effective that was. He should have been shut down by the team and had the surgery.

You can’t force someone to have surgery. Mikheyev would have been told he won’t be back to normal for a year or more and was like well the team isn’t out of the playoffs and I can still perform adequately.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

I like this guy. If you know what's good for you, you will too.

 

[Diversification]

I like this guy. If you know what's good for you, you will too.

Pfft. Misattributed a quote to Iron Man when it was clearly Uncle Ben. Bust.

 

[Hodgy]

Pfft. Misattributed a quote to Iron Man when it was clearly Uncle Ben. Bust.

At least he said Spiderman and not Iron Man.

 

[Bankerguy]

I wonder if the Canucks will ever consider moving Joshua to the Center position.
Joshua has played C in the past and has a career FO% of 55.4%
The reason that this is on my mind is because of the apparent chemistry between Hoglander and Garland.
Because of Joshua works at Center then the only need i foresee the Canucks needing this year would be the 2RD position. hmm

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Another 3-5 minute feature on a Canuck.

 

[Flik]

I like this guy. If you know what's good for you, you will too.

Murph been hitting the gym, he looks great.

 

[Deeds26]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838707485433266245

Huge trade, Canucks are sending their old seats to the dumpster along with cash considerations to acquire new seats with cupholders.

As the great poet Lizzo once said "It's about damn time"

 

[Horvat1C]

Management has said they have options for avoiding LTIR. Allvin and Tocchet are clearly giving Raty a legitimate shot to make the make the team and he showed pretty well tonight.

I wonder if there's a scenario where Raty makes the team as a center and Suter is moved for cap space. We have more than enough wingers already even with Joshua out. Netting a small positive return on Suter may be preferable than paying to move Poolman in management's eyes.

 

[TruGr1t]

Management has said they have options for avoiding LTIR. Allvin and Tocchet are clearly giving Raty a legitimate shot to make the make the team and he showed pretty well tonight.

I wonder if there's a scenario where Raty makes the team as a center and Suter is moved for cap space. We have more than enough wingers already even with Joshua out. Netting a small positive return on Suter may be preferable than paying to move Poolman in management's eyes.

Far more likely Suter moves to wing in that scenario. We are pretty short on centres as it stands, I don't think we want to be trading any.

 

[Horvat1C]

Far more likely Suter moves to wing in that scenario. We are pretty short on centres as it stands, I don't think we want to be trading any.

Heinen - Miller - Boeser
DeBrusk - Pettersson - Sprong
Hoglander - Blueger - Garland
Di Giuseppe - Raty - Sherwood
Aman (Joshua)

I don't see much room for Suter on the wing. To be honest his play hasn't been terribly impressive either. I think Heinen will be a considerable upgrade on the Miller line and I don't think Suter is reliable enough to be an everyday center. If creating cap space is a priority then moving him could be an option.

 

[Jovofan]

I'm not sure if PDG is guaranteed a roster spot on this iteration of the team to be honest.

 

[oceanchild]

Management has said they have options for avoiding LTIR. Allvin and Tocchet are clearly giving Raty a legitimate shot to make the make the team and he showed pretty well tonight.

I wonder if there's a scenario where Raty makes the team as a center and Suter is moved for cap space. We have more than enough wingers already even with Joshua out. Netting a small positive return on Suter may be preferable than paying to move Poolman in management's eyes.

Hard to move Suter after how flexible he was last season and moved around the line up, because someone waiver exempt had a good camp. Feel like handing away depth.

 

[Jovofan]

Even if he's just penciled in as a 4th line winger to start the year, Suter is too valuable to let walk for nothing or trade away for peanuts. Plus, it's not like he's making a ton of money either so moving him doesn't give us that much cap relief.

 

[DFAC]

I'm not sure if PDG is guaranteed a roster spot on this iteration of the team to be honest.

Id rather have Blais in his spot tbh

Heinen - Miller - Boeser
DeBrusk - Pettersson - Sprong
Hoglander - Blueger - Garland
Di Giuseppe - Raty - Sherwood
Aman (Joshua)

I don't see much room for Suter on the wing. To be honest his play hasn't been terribly impressive either. I think Heinen will be a considerable upgrade on the Miller line and I don't think Suter is reliable enough to be an everyday center. If creating cap space is a priority then moving him could be an option.

Would Tocchet really run a 3rd line with Garland and Hoglander?

 

[F A N]

You can’t force someone to have surgery. Mikheyev would have been told he won’t be back to normal for a year or more and was like well the team isn’t out of the playoffs and I can still perform adequately.

Technically you are right. The team can't force someone to have surgery. What the team can do is keep Mik out of games and place him on LTIR. These decisions are usually made together. In this case, at some earlier point, all parties agree that surgery is a necessity. This isn't a situation where they try conservative treatments first. If a team wants the player to get the surgery done and prepare for next season (the player has a multi-year contract), I haven't come across a reported incidence where it doesn't happen (unless Mik had some wedding to go to and didn't want to be on crutches or something). This isn't like the Eichel situation where the parties disagree on the form of surgery.

 

[JT Milker]

Technically you are right. The team can't force someone to have surgery. What the team can do is keep Mik out of games and place him on LTIR. These decisions are usually made together. In this case, at some earlier point, all parties agree that surgery is a necessity. This isn't a situation where they try conservative treatments first. If a team wants the player to get the surgery done and prepare for next season (the player has a multi-year contract), I haven't come across a reported incidence where it doesn't happen (unless Mik had some wedding to go to and didn't want to be on crutches or something). This isn't like the Eichel situation where the parties disagree on the form of surgery.

Yes the fix for a torn ACL is surgery, the Canucks medical staff aren’t the only doctors in the world that don’t know this. However, they likely would have advised Mikheyev that he can play on it if it’s not causing him too much instability, which seems likely because he’s an elite athlete and hockey doesn’t overly stress your knee. He likely chose to play on it until the season was gone and could still recover by close to the start of next season (which was an extremely aggressive timeline IMO but that’s a separate issue).

 

[mathonwy]

The less Franky is involved in the Canucks, the more successful the Canucks will become.

2012 to 2021… a decade of failure and wasted NHL careers enabled by the blueberry trust fund baby.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Yes the fix for a torn ACL is surgery, the Canucks medical staff aren’t the only doctors in the world that don’t know this. However, they likely would have advised Mikheyev that he can play on it if it’s not causing him too much instability, which seems likely because he’s an elite athlete and hockey doesn’t overly stress your knee. He likely chose to play on it until the season was gone and could still recover by close to the start of next season (which was an extremely aggressive timeline IMO but that’s a separate issue).

i think this is likely what happened.

 

[krutovsdonut]

suter looked very strong to me at camp and a tier above most of the bottom six guys. i think it is highly likely he approached the pre-season game as a secure veteran there to have a skate and help the young guys while not getting injured rather than a guy trying to make the team. maybe a mistake on his part but i think we as fans should draw no conclusions from one game.

the guy who i think maybe needed to work harder in that game was heinen.

Would Tocchet really run a 3rd line with Garland and Hoglander?

that would potentially be quite something in the ozone. defensively not so sure.

 

[Nick Lang]

You can’t force someone to have surgery. Mikheyev would have been told he won’t be back to normal for a year or more and was like well the team isn’t out of the playoffs and I can still perform adequately.

Sometimes in sports you can't let the athlete make the decision that hurts themselves and the team. Mikheyev is certainly not bigger than any team.

 

[MS]

Connor Brown did his ACL two weeks after Mikheyev, had surgery immediately ... and still had all the same issues coming back last season, or probably even moreso.

Pavel Bure had a 23-goal season at age 24 coming back from this injury.

I don't blame the player for wanting to get on the ice and try and help his new team, and I don't blame the team for giving him a half-season to see if he could help a playoff push. And I don't think his 23-24 would have been much different either way because it's the getting confidence back into your game and trust in your knee that's the hardest part, not the physical recovery.

 

[Nick Lang]

I wonder if the Canucks will ever consider moving Joshua to the Center position.
Joshua has played C in the past and has a career FO% of 55.4%
The reason that this is on my mind is because of the apparent chemistry between Hoglander and Garland.
Because of Joshua works at Center then the only need i foresee the Canucks needing this year would be the 2RD position. hmm

not even a remote chance imo.

He has 254 face-offs in 4 years, or 64 per season. Horvat took over 1400 last year alone. Joshua is not a center at all, and doesn't have near the defensive acumen to handle those responsibilities. Not to mention we have 4 good centers already and Aman as well way before him.

 

[MS]

not even a remote chance imo.

He has 254 face-offs in 4 years, or 64 per season. Horvat took over 1400 last year alone. Joshua is not a center at all, and doesn't have near the defensive acumen to handle those responsibilities. Not to mention we have 4 good centers already and Aman as well way before him.

I doubt they use him much at C because of his footspeed but Joshua was literally a C his whole career right up to the NHL until we signed him in 2022.

 

[ziploc]

Figuring out the ideal lineup scenarios will be one of the most fun aspects of this year's Canucks. They have so many options.