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[Vector]

Rogers Sale:
-the NHL is going to want to get a big media deal

Canucks Goalies:
-Demko knows not to rush it back
-easier to say he won't rush back now but hard as the season rolls on
-Silovs made it pretty clear in the off-season that he doesn't want to go to the minors
-including playoffs, Silovs has played 19 games so it's another 41 before he needs waivers

 

[sting101]

Given Demko's status, they would be idiots not to rotate through 3 goalies this year. The solution is so clear and obvious. Just make use of Silov's waiver status to send him up and down as the planned rotation of starts dictates in order to manage the cap.

Lankinen is not a starter but he's great in a back up role. Silovs is not a starter but shows signs of being able to play as a backup. Demko is a starter who can't safely handle a starter's game load. Just do the obvious thing and don't overthink things.

Totally agree but if Silovs outplays Lankinen they are gonna have to try and ditch Lankinen sooner than they probably want to.

Should be interesting. Woodley has Lankinen inside his top45 goalies. Silovs is still a ball of potential. Demko healthy is top5. It's a good setup all being healthy and happy.

Issue (and it's actually a good sign) will be if Silovs outplays Lankinen and doesn't feel he should be going to Abbotsford. And i only say issue because we lose the depth in all likelihood if we try and move Lankinen with that contract down. Carrying 3 goalies isn't ideal

Like you said though it should be simple as long as Silovs plays ball without too much ego which shouldn't be a problem. He doesnt take a pay cut this year to play in Abby

 

[VanJack]

At some point, a goalie has to transition from being 'a ball of potential' to the real deal. And for Silovs, that time is now. He's coming off a season where he was basically the Canucks playoff starter; backstopped Latvia to an unlikely bronze medal in the World Hockey Championships; and just completed his second full season in the AHL, where he done everything he can do at that level.

Tocchet has expressed confidence that with the team's personnel and their defensive system, they should be able to thrive with any goalie between the pipes. Brave words, perhaps. But looking around the league, there's a lot of teams win a lot of games with what I would consider pretty 'average' goaltending.

At some point, a goalie has to transition from being 'a ball of potential' to the real deal. And for Silovs, that time is now. He's coming off a season where he was basically the Canucks playoff starter; backstopped Latvia to an unlikely bronze medal in the World Hockey Championships; and just completed his second full season in the AHL, where he done everything he can do at that level.

Tocchet has expressed confidence that with the team's personnel and their defensive system, they should be able to thrive with any goalie between the pipes. Brave words, perhaps. But looking around the league, there's a lot of teams win a lot of games with what I would consider pretty 'average' goaltending.

 

[TruGr1t]

Totally agree but if Silovs outplays Lankinen they are gonna have to try and ditch Lankinen sooner than they probably want to.

Should be interesting. Woodley has Lankinen inside his top45 goalies. Silovs is still a ball of potential. Demko healthy is top5. It's a good setup all being healthy and happy.

Issue (and it's actually a good sign) will be if Silovs outplays Lankinen and doesn't feel he should be going to Abbotsford. And i only say issue because we lose the depth in all likelihood if we try and move Lankinen with that contract down. Carrying 3 goalies isn't ideal

Like you said though it should be simple as long as Silovs plays ball without too much ego which shouldn't be a problem. He doesnt take a pay cut this year to play in Abby

The writing is on the wall with the cap and management's desire to try and stay out of LTIR. No way they carry three active goalies, and Silovs is exempt from waivers. He's going down when Demko is healthy unless Lankinen totally craps the bed. I can't really see much rationale to carry Silovs as a back-up if Lankinen plays up to his usual standards, when you can give Silovs a starters workload in Abbie.

If Demko is out longer than expected, they'll obviously just ride some type of pretty even, hot-hand split between Silovs/Lankinen.

 

[Vector]

The writing is on the wall with the cap and management's desire to try and stay out of LTIR. No way they carry three active goalies, and Silovs is exempt from waivers. He's going down when Demko is healthy unless Lankinen totally craps the bed. I can't really see much rationale to carry Silovs as a back-up if Lankinen plays up to his usual standards, when you can give Silovs a starters workload in Abbie.

If Demko is out longer than expected, they'll obviously just ride some type of pretty even, hot-hand split between Silovs/Lankinen.

If they can handle it, I imagine they'll want to try and generate enough cap-space to call Silovs up after the deadline and roll with three goalies then.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Surprised they haven't bit the bullet and lost Poolman already

 

[sting101]

Surprised they haven't bit the bullet and lost Poolman already

probably because that amount of dead money when most teams are looking to be scaling up would come with a 2nd round pick ask

At the deadline it can easily just off set a deal and shouldn't cost anything as long as they meet the asking price for a team just looking for futures from a pending UFA

 

[sting101]

Pod for a 4th
Lankinen for a 3rd

Suter 3rd 4th Poolman for M.Pettersson Gavrikov or Chychrun

 

[Jerry the great]

Surprised they haven't bit the bullet and lost Poolman already

If it were me, it would probably be my last move. Get the team how i want it with him there while tracking the cost to unload him. A team that's going to be operating in LTIR anyway might have hole open up due to injury which we have a solution for and can include him in the deal. Or there might be more cap space harvesters than teams looking to create space and the cost to unload him drops as it just did for back up goalies. If you're in a position to begin the season without tapping LTIR and you find a home for him in the 11th hour...that's a huge win on top of an already successful offseason.

 

[Nick Lang]

Oilers’ Connor McDavid opens up about injury recovery: ‘I feel real good’ – Sportsnet.ca

“McDavid was initially diagnosed with a Grade 2 PCL strain because of all the swelling around his knee. A second medical opinion in Colorado revealed the full PCL tear, plus a torn meniscus on both sides of the knee, cracked fibia and a popliteus muscle that was torn right off the bone.”

“While the surgery was booked, McDavid sought a third medical opinion in Los Angeles. That doctor confirmed the nature of the injury, but recommended rehab over surgery — a decision that led to highly respected Dr. Mark Lindsay being brought in to oversee a fluid recovery process, and helped return McDavid back to health in time for the season.“

I find it extremely hard to believe they missed this when doing their research if a simple “NHL popliteus injury” search resulted in this article being one of the first to pop up.

There are also articles using the same wording that McDavid’s popliteus muscle was “detached” and the nature of his injured knee was career threatening. Don’t get me wrong it is still rare, but definitely not true there weren’t any cases when there was one as recent as 4 years ago.

Who is this McDavid guy. Any good?

Lol, hard to believe they missed it but not really. Reporters are just absolute garbage these days. Is googling what you're researching that difficult?

 

[RobertKron]

At some point, a goalie has to transition from being 'a ball of potential' to the real deal. And for Silovs, that time is now. He's coming off a season where he was basically the Canucks playoff starter; backstopped Latvia to an unlikely bronze medal in the World Hockey Championships; and just completed his second full season in the AHL, where he done everything he can do at that level.

Tocchet has expressed confidence that with the team's personnel and their defensive system, they should be able to thrive with any goalie between the pipes. Brave words, perhaps. But looking around the league, there's a lot of teams win a lot of games with what I would consider pretty 'average' goaltending.

At some point, a goalie has to transition from being 'a ball of potential' to the real deal. And for Silovs, that time is now. He's coming off a season where he was basically the Canucks playoff starter; backstopped Latvia to an unlikely bronze medal in the World Hockey Championships; and just completed his second full season in the AHL, where he done everything he can do at that level.

Tocchet has expressed confidence that with the team's personnel and their defensive system, they should be able to thrive with any goalie between the pipes. Brave words, perhaps. But looking around the league, there's a lot of teams win a lot of games with what I would consider pretty 'average' goaltending.

At some point, a goalie has to transition from being 'a ball of potential' to the real deal. And for Silovs, that time is now. He's coming off a season where he was basically the Canucks playoff starter; backstopped Latvia to an unlikely bronze medal in the World Hockey Championships; and just completed his second full season in the AHL, where he done everything he can do at that level.

Tocchet has expressed confidence that with the team's personnel and their defensive system, they should be able to thrive with any goalie between the pipes. Brave words, perhaps. But looking around the league, there's a lot of teams win a lot of games with what I would consider pretty 'average' goaltending.

 

[krutovsdonut]

at some point

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

At some point, a goalie has to transition from being 'a ball of potential' to the real deal. And for Silovs, that time is now. He's coming off a season where he was basically the Canucks playoff starter; backstopped Latvia to an unlikely bronze medal in the World Hockey Championships; and just completed his second full season in the AHL, where he done everything he can do at that level.

Tocchet has expressed confidence that with the team's personnel and their defensive system, they should be able to thrive with any goalie between the pipes. Brave words, perhaps. But looking around the league, there's a lot of teams win a lot of games with what I would consider pretty 'average' goaltending.

At some point, a goalie has to transition from being 'a ball of potential' to the real deal. And for Silovs, that time is now. He's coming off a season where he was basically the Canucks playoff starter; backstopped Latvia to an unlikely bronze medal in the World Hockey Championships; and just completed his second full season in the AHL, where he done everything he can do at that level.

Tocchet has expressed confidence that with the team's personnel and their defensive system, they should be able to thrive with any goalie between the pipes. Brave words, perhaps. But looking around the league, there's a lot of teams win a lot of games with what I would consider pretty 'average' goaltending.

 

[Vector]

GOD DAMN AI IS BROKEN AGAIN

 

[Hammman]

Bringing up McDavid's knee in comparison seems pretty disingenuous to me. Sure, his poplietus was injured, but it was hardly a poplietus injury specifically. If someone was shocked that their airbag had suddenly gone off unexpectedly and you countered that airbags go off all the time in car accidents, you're intentionally misrepresenting the point.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Bringing up McDavid's knee in comparison seems pretty disingenuous to me. Sure, his poplietus was injured, but it was hardly a poplietus injury specifically. If someone was shocked that their airbag had suddenly gone off unexpectedly and you countered that airbags go off all the time in car accidents, you're intentionally misrepresenting the point.

1000 percent.

I'm constantly shocked by people on these boards taking something complex, oversimplifying it, and then having a strong opinion on it.

If the Canucks and Demko have said that no other NHLer has had this injury as they try to figure out next steps with a Billion dollar + business on the line, you can probably assume that your 4 minute google solution has been acknowledged and discarded as insufficient.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Bringing up McDavid's knee in comparison seems pretty disingenuous to me. Sure, his poplietus was injured, but it was hardly a poplietus injury specifically. If someone was shocked that their airbag had suddenly gone off unexpectedly and you countered that airbags go off all the time in car accidents, you're intentionally misrepresenting the point.

It’s the “there’s no case of it in the NHL” part. My OP was open to any discernible information regarding other cases from a google search. I couldn’t conclude anything more considering the differences of both cases.

While I see your analogy. If your airbag goes off and it went off because it was faulty, you would compare it to other cases of airbags being suddenly deployed within the make and model and what the cause was. This is how I compared the two cases. It may have been disingenuous considering the different causes, and you’re probably right it was the cause of other internal knee injuries and not the direct injury of popliteus muscle like it appears to be in Demko’s case that makes the two different.

 

[im gangster]

Of course if they trade Poolman it would be a lot easier.

Probably about five minutes before they really need to. Someone is doing the Lankinen thing to them.

 

[Hammman]

It’s the “there’s no case of it in the NHL” part. My OP was open to any discernible information regarding other cases from a google search. I couldn’t conclude anything more considering the differences of both cases.

While I see your analogy. If your airbag goes off and it went off because it was faulty, you would compare it to other cases of airbags being suddenly deployed within the make and model and what the cause was. This is how I compared the two cases. It may have been disingenuous considering the different causes, and you’re probably right it was the cause of other internal knee injuries and not the direct injury of popliteus muscle like it appears to be in Demko’s case that makes the two different.

Oh for sure. I think it's more placing too much significance on the exact wording of 'no case'. My guess would be that they were more stating that there's no case of the injury happening the way it did here, where that is the sole thing being hurt. But who knows, the NHL sucks at injury reporting.

 

[LemonSauceD]

1000 percent.

I'm constantly shocked by people on these boards taking something complex, oversimplifying it, and then having a strong opinion on it.

If the Canucks and Demko have said that no other NHLer has had this injury as they try to figure out next steps with a Billion dollar + business on the line, you can probably assume that your 4 minute google solution has been acknowledged and discarded as insufficient.

Ah yes, the billion dollar business in question that seemingly can’t find other injury examples of this nature. Must be some sort of phantom injury.

The same billion dollar business who couldn’t figure out what was wrong with Pearson’s hand, botched it, became infected, and then had to do 8 or so surgeries to fix it, and an investigation by the NHLPA.

The same billion dollar business who let Mikheyev play on 1 ACL for 4 months to play meaningless hockey rather than shutting him down sooner which ultimately led him to not Being ready for the following season in time.

I’m no expert but it doesn’t take one to see how little confidence I’d have.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Maybe, once Demko comes back, Silovs would be the tandem guy during home stands (so he can jump up and down between Abbotsford and the big team) and Kevin would handle the road trips?
If it's affordable cap wise, of course.

 

[JT Milker]

The team would have definitely advised Mikheyev that he had a torn ACL that would require surgery, but that he could try playing on it if he wanted and he chose to play on it before giving in. Hockey (other than goalie) is playable for elite athletes with a torn ACL.

 

[Nick Lang]

It’s the “there’s no case of it in the NHL” part. My OP was open to any discernible information regarding other cases from a google search. I couldn’t conclude anything more considering the differences of both cases.

While I see your analogy. If your airbag goes off and it went off because it was faulty, you would compare it to other cases of airbags being suddenly deployed within the make and model and what the cause was. This is how I compared the two cases. It may have been disingenuous considering the different causes, and you’re probably right it was the cause of other internal knee injuries and not the direct injury of popliteus muscle like it appears to be in Demko’s case that makes the two different.

Yeah I've had so many injuries, many serious ones too unfortunately, that I have a wealth of experience. You certainly compare injuries of any sort in the same area or muscle group that are even slightly related when you're trying to figure out an injury of a key player. Sometimes you have nothing else, sometimes at least it's a place to start understanding what you're dealing with. Even knowing McDavid completely damaged his and came back as McDavid is somewhat encouraging, even if the circumstances are completely different there is some valuable info there.

The team would have definitely advised Mikheyev that he had a torn ACL that would require surgery, but that he could try playing on it if he wanted and he chose to play on it before giving in. Hockey (other than goalie) is playable for elite athletes with a torn ACL.

That was dumb though. We all saw the results of how players can make up their own minds and how effective that was. He should have been shut down by the team and had the surgery.

 

[strattonius]

Ah yes, the billion dollar business in question that seemingly can’t find other injury examples of this nature. Must be some sort of phantom injury.

The same billion dollar business who couldn’t figure out what was wrong with Pearson’s hand, botched it, became infected, and then had to do 8 or so surgeries to fix it, and an investigation by the NHLPA.

The same billion dollar business who let Mikheyev play on 1 ACL for 4 months to play meaningless hockey rather than shutting him down sooner which ultimately led him to not Being ready for the following season in time.

I’m no expert but it doesn’t take one to see how little confidence I’d have.

Could've just left it at the bolded.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Could've just left it at the bolded.

cool