Grade Cheveldayoff's offseaon

[Mortimer Snerd]

Very real chance that DeMelo is taken over copp... and that is a more significant loss

If we had a legit RH prospect, no one would notice Appleton is gone... harkins and Ves are same skill level

Very speculative. Seattle is much more in need of F, especially C, than of D. Their contracts are not that far apart. Don't know what Kraken would have had to pay to get Copp for longer though.

Some of Seattle's picks were strange, to put it mildly, so maybe they take DeMelo. But I think taking Copp should have been a no-brainer for them. JMO, of course. They might not have liked taking a guy who is only under team control for 1 more year, but they have no shortage of cap space to have signed him for 3-5 years.

The difference between losing Copp and losing Appleton is the cap hit, 900k vs 3.64 mil.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Who gives a flying flip about how he is perceived?
We want playoff/ success

Players liking the coach is irrelevant. We all know PMo is likeable. Scotty Bowman was disliked, even detested by many of his players.

I prefer that the team be happy and that includes the coaches, but what matters is winning.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

Players liking the coach is irrelevant. We all know PMo is likeable. Scotty Bowman was disliked, even detested by many of his players.

I prefer that the team be happy and that includes the coaches, but what matters is winning.

Players nowadays won’t play for a coach they don’t like.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Players nowadays won’t play for a coach they don’t like.

I've been hearing that "players nowadays" are different, in multiple sports, for 60 years that I can remember.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Didn’t Chevy say it’s comries time ???? Doesn’t this mean he is the back up ?

Yes it does. Doesn't change the fact that we need a better backup.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Changed my vote from A to B. Actually I said A+, tentatively.

Backup goalie still looks like a fail to me. I would really like Comrie to be ready and prove me wrong.

I have an uneasy feeling about the Schmidt acquisition. That is only in small part due to the risk that we get Van Schmidt instead of VGK Schmidt. Mostly it is because we didn't really need him after getting Dillon. Not that we can't use him, but I don't think we needed him.

The price was great. The cap hit, not so much. Adding Schmidt has put us in serious cap trouble and only blocks our highly touted and anticipated D prospects.

Morrissey - Schmidt
Dillon - Pionk
Stanley - DeMelo
or however they come out arranged
is probably better than;
Morrissey - DeMelo
Dillon - Pionk
Stanley - Heinola
but not 5 mil cap space difference better.

It may not be very much better at all and it could even be worse, if we get last year's Schmidt.

The way in which it is better is that it is more comforting for the GM and the coach to look at on paper. All that nice vetiness.

I'm not suggesting that Schmidt won't be good. I'm only considering the cap position it has put us in and the fact that we have D prospects who are supposed to be very good and who should be ready.

Not trying to rain on the parade here. But I've had this nagging doubt in the back of my mind since we got him. Hope Chevy manages to maneuvre around the cap issues successfully and that the new players turn out great.

 

[Whileee]

Changed my vote from A to B. Actually I said A+, tentatively.

Backup goalie still looks like a fail to me. I would really like Comrie to be ready and prove me wrong.

I have an uneasy feeling about the Schmidt acquisition. That is only in small part due to the risk that we get Van Schmidt instead of VGK Schmidt. Mostly it is because we didn't really need him after getting Dillon. Not that we can't use him, but I don't think we needed him.

The price was great. The cap hit, not so much. Adding Schmidt has put us in serious cap trouble and only blocks our highly touted and anticipated D prospects.

Morrissey - Schmidt
Dillon - Pionk
Stanley - DeMelo
or however they come out arranged
is probably better than;
Morrissey - DeMelo
Dillon - Pionk
Stanley - Heinola
but not 5 mil cap space difference better.

It may not be very much better at all and it could even be worse, if we get last year's Schmidt.

The way in which it is better is that it is more comforting for the GM and the coach to look at on paper. All that nice vetiness.

I'm not suggesting that Schmidt won't be good. I'm only considering the cap position it has put us in and the fact that we have D prospects who are supposed to be very good and who should be ready.

Not trying to rain on the parade here. But I've had this nagging doubt in the back of my mind since we got him. Hope Chevy manages to maneuvre around the cap issues successfully and that the new players turn out great.

I think there's a risk that Schmidt isn't as good as he was with Vegas, but the Jets desperately needed a couple of D to push possession and generate transition. They are in a prime window, and had to make the moves.

I love the Dillon acquisition. He's exactly what the Jets need, and I've been touting him for a while. I think he'll pleasantly surprise a lot of people with his ability to join the rush and generate some offense.

I'm not as concerned about the prospect issue. Heinola is still very young, and only two D from that draft have played more NHL games than him. There are always injuries on D, and I also fully expect that Stanley will have some struggles and will be replaced by Heinola and/or Samberg at times. I won't be surprised if Heinola gets 30-40 NHL games or more, between injuries and swapping in for Stanley. Samberg will also get some good NHL experience over a long season. My main concern is Beaulieu blocking the prospects, which more a coaching issue than a Chevy issue.

 

[Weezeric]

Changed my vote from A to B. Actually I said A+, tentatively.

Backup goalie still looks like a fail to me. I would really like Comrie to be ready and prove me wrong.

I have an uneasy feeling about the Schmidt acquisition. That is only in small part due to the risk that we get Van Schmidt instead of VGK Schmidt. Mostly it is because we didn't really need him after getting Dillon. Not that we can't use him, but I don't think we needed him.

The price was great. The cap hit, not so much. Adding Schmidt has put us in serious cap trouble and only blocks our highly touted and anticipated D prospects.

Morrissey - Schmidt
Dillon - Pionk
Stanley - DeMelo
or however they come out arranged
is probably better than;
Morrissey - DeMelo
Dillon - Pionk
Stanley - Heinola
but not 5 mil cap space difference better.

It may not be very much better at all and it could even be worse, if we get last year's Schmidt.

The way in which it is better is that it is more comforting for the GM and the coach to look at on paper. All that nice vetiness.

I'm not suggesting that Schmidt won't be good. I'm only considering the cap position it has put us in and the fact that we have D prospects who are supposed to be very good and who should be ready.

Not trying to rain on the parade here. But I've had this nagging doubt in the back of my mind since we got him. Hope Chevy manages to maneuvre around the cap issues successfully and that the new players turn out great.

I’m trying to imagine going back to the end of last season and trying to foresee complaints that Chevy acquired too many top 4 defencemen in the offseason…

 

[Calcutta]

C'mon lads, he nailed it.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think there's a risk that Schmidt isn't as good as he was with Vegas, but the Jets desperately needed a couple of D to push possession and generate transition. They are in a prime window, and had to make the moves.

I love the Dillon acquisition. He's exactly what the Jets need, and I've been touting him for a while. I think he'll pleasantly surprise a lot of people with his ability to join the rush and generate some offense.

I'm not as concerned about the prospect issue. Heinola is still very young, and only two D from that draft have played more NHL games than him. There are always injuries on D, and I also fully expect that Stanley will have some struggles and will be replaced by Heinola and/or Samberg at times. I won't be surprised if Heinola gets 30-40 NHL games or more, between injuries and swapping in for Stanley. Samberg will also get some good NHL experience over a long season. My main concern is Beaulieu blocking the prospects, which more a coaching issue than a Chevy issue.

We certainly needed to do something. I'm suggesting that Dillon, combined with our prospects was enough. Sure, getting Schmidt makes for a better looking D corps than the one featuring Stanley and a rookie. If we had loads of cap space, it would be fine. But I think we are already paying a price for lack of cap space. Backup goalie being one example. Weaknesses at middle 6 winger being another.

It is only partly about not getting opportunity for the D prospects. It is more about them probably being able to have been the solution to our D corps for a lot less money than Schmidt cost. Heinola is, or will be, another puck mover. We have already seen Morrissey - DeMelo be effective.

Getting Schmidt, good. Paying him, bad.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I’m trying to imagine going back to the end of last season and trying to foresee complaints that Chevy acquired too many top 4 defencemen in the offseason…

Deliberate misinterpretation of what I said. Way to go.

I very clearly said that Schmidt is not the problem I'm getting at. it is that we already had good young players who could have done the job for a fraction of the cost. It is that we simply did not have enough cap space to be able to afford him.

 

[Whileee]

We certainly needed to do something. I'm suggesting that Dillon, combined with our prospects was enough. Sure, getting Schmidt makes for a better looking D corps than the one featuring Stanley and a rookie. If we had loads of cap space, it would be fine. But I think we are already paying a price for lack of cap space. Backup goalie being one example. Weaknesses at middle 6 winger being another.

It is only partly about not getting opportunity for the D prospects. It is more about them probably being able to have been the solution to our D corps for a lot less money than Schmidt cost. Heinola is, or will be, another puck mover. We have already seen Morrissey - DeMelo be effective.

Getting Schmidt, good. Paying him, bad.

I think the cap situation is fine. Adding Stastny and keeping Copp were big moves for the middle 6. I think Vesalainen and maybe Harkins are ready to slot into the 3rd line, too. The Jets' problem has been on D, not at F. As long as PLD bounces back, the Jets' F will be a strength.

I am a bit concerned about backup goalie, but they have 3 options. I actually think Holm might be a really good option. He's already effectively carried a starter's load in the Swedish Elite league.

 

[surixon]

I think the cap situation is fine. Adding Stastny and keeping Copp were big moves for the middle 6. I think Vesalainen and maybe Harkins are ready to slot into 5he 3rd line, too.

I am a bit concerned about backup goalie, but they have 3 options. I actually think Holm might be a really good option. He's already effectively carried a starter's load in the Swedish Elite league.

I'm not concerned about the backup. Helle is playing 65 games anyhow and if Comrie doesn't work there are always a bunch of cheap backups available on the market.

 

[Weezeric]

Deliberate misinterpretation of what I said. Way to go.

I very clearly said that Schmidt is not the problem I'm getting at. it is that we already had good young players who could have done the job for a fraction of the cost. It is that we simply did not have enough cap space to be able to afford him.

Everyone seems to have fit within the cap and the Jets have many young wingers with upside for the middle six.

It’s funny that people are concerned about losing Broissoit. There was widespread concern when Chevy originally signed him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think the cap situation is fine. Adding Stastny and keeping Copp were big moves for the middle 6. I think Vesalainen and maybe Harkins are ready to slot into the 3rd line, too. The Jets' problem has been on D, not at F. As long as PLD bounces back, the Jets' F will be a strength.

I am a bit concerned about backup goalie, but they have 3 options. I actually think Holm might be a really good option. He's already effectively carried a starter's load in the Swedish Elite league.

With more cap space we might have been able to keep Copp. Signing him for 1 year probably means we have lost the slim chance we had to keep him. It also means we could not afford to keep Brossoit and could not afford to get a different proven backup goalie.

Lack of cap space also precluded shopping for a replacement 3RW, or for a potential top 6 RW. As it stands right now, we are counting on all 3 of Gus, Harkins and Vesalainen. Harkins is somewhat proven, at least to the level of a 4LW. Gus and Vesa are unproven. I have more confidence in having been able to get 1 of Heinola/Samberg than to get all 3 of those F.

I think Chevy will manage to navigate the cap situation alright - but not without cost.

Next year we recover Stastny's and Copp's cap hits, but we need to replace them. Perfetti might replace Stastny at 2LW. We don't have a candidate to replace Copp. What will that cost? Then we need to give out a few raises, Vesalainen, Harkins, Gustafsson and Dubois. It doesn't get any easier for a while.

The problem is that we are left with no wiggle room at all. What about injury replacements and bonus payments over the next 2-3 years?

 

[Whileee]

With more cap space we might have been able to keep Copp. Signing him for 1 year probably means we have lost the slim chance we had to keep him. It also means we could not afford to keep Brossoit and could not afford to get a different proven backup goalie.

Lack of cap space also precluded shopping for a replacement 3RW, or for a potential top 6 RW. As it stands right now, we are counting on all 3 of Gus, Harkins and Vesalainen. Harkins is somewhat proven, at least to the level of a 4LW. Gus and Vesa are unproven. I have more confidence in having been able to get 1 of Heinola/Samberg than to get all 3 of those F.

I think Chevy will manage to navigate the cap situation alright - but not without cost.

Next year we recover Stastny's and Copp's cap hits, but we need to replace them. Perfetti might replace Stastny at 2LW. We don't have a candidate to replace Copp. What will that cost? Then we need to give out a few raises, Vesalainen, Harkins, Gustafsson and Dubois. It doesn't get any easier for a while.

The problem is that we are left with no wiggle room at all. What about injury replacements and bonus payments over the next 2-3 years?

Jets cap situation is fine. Jets have room going forward after this season, too. Cap management has been a huge strength for Chevy.

Also, the Jets have a nice stable of young forwards, and if Copp wants more than the Jets are willing to pay, they'll have lots of cap room for a replacement.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Everyone seems to have fit within the cap and the Jets have many young wingers with upside for the middle six.

It’s funny that people are concerned about losing Broissoit. There was widespread concern when Chevy originally signed him.

We have 3 young forwards with upside who are potentially ready. We need all 3 to succeed. We also have a couple of young D men with more promise than those 3 forwards. But they are going to be with the Moose.

Everybody has not been fit under the cap yet. We are nearly a half mil over. I expect Chevy will manage that situation well enough, but it is not done yet.

Yes, I was among those concerned. He certainly showed us! But he had a much better resume than Comrie has. Do you really think Comrie can be an adequate backup?

It is not about any 1 thing. It is about constantly having spent to the last nickel. I'm very familiar with that situation. It is hard. It leads to bad decisions.

 

[WolfHouse]

We have 3 young forwards with upside who are potentially ready. We need all 3 to succeed. We also have a couple of young D men with more promise than those 3 forwards. But they are going to be with the Moose.

Everybody has not been fit under the cap yet. We are nearly a half mil over. I expect Chevy will manage that situation well enough, but it is not done yet.

Yes, I was among those concerned. He certainly showed us! But he had a much better resume than Comrie has. Do you really think Comrie can be an adequate backup?

It is not about any 1 thing. It is about constantly having spent to the last nickel. I'm very familiar with that situation. It is hard. It leads to bad decisions.

If Comrie is awful, we just pick up a goalie off waiver wire or sign another backup... it’s not rocket science

 

[10Ducky10]

Getting Schmidt, good. Paying him, bad.

If Schmidt plays well, what do you think his AAV should be?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Jets cap situation is fine. Jets have room going forward after this season, too. Cap management has been a huge strength for Chevy.

Also, the Jets have a nice stable of young forwards, and if Copp wants more than the Jets are willing to pay, they'll have lots of cap room for a replacement.

Apparently, cap management has not been that great, because it is certainly not FINE now. This situation is not fine. It is barely manageable at best. If the cap indeed goes up a mil each year for a while, that will help a lot. But apart from that, there is no large amount of cap space being freed up for the next 3 years. There is Stastny and Copp previously mentioned, but that money can be seen as already gone, or most of it.

Sure, they may have cap to spend on replacing Copp. My point was the lost opportunity to retain him. And will we be able to get as good with the cap space we have?

The stable of young forwards is already fully committed for the next few years. Harkins takes Perreault's spot. Vesalainen takes Appleton's spot. Gustafsson takes Thompson's spot. In another year Perfetti takes Stastny's spot. There is no plan B if any of those don't pan out. There is no replacement for Copp in there and the replacement for Wheeler is a little further away.

There is the possibility that Heinola and/or Samberg eventually push their ways into the lineup and we trade 1 or more of Dillon/Schmidt/DeMelo. That would ease the cap squeeze. That could happen as soon as next year, but not likely this year.

I'm not trying to paint this as some kind of terrible disaster. I only changed my vote fro A to B, not from A to F. But it is a difficult situation that has already cost us elsewhere and if either of Heinola or Samberg is ready, then it was unnecessary. That's all.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If Comrie is awful, we just pick up a goalie off waiver wire or sign another backup... it’s not rocket science

Maybe. But it has to be one with a 750k contract, or very close to it. We haven't got the cap space for more.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If Schmidt plays well, what do you think his AAV should be?

That is entirely beside my point. He could win the Norris and still have been more than we needed and more than we could afford.

It isn't about how good he will be for us and neither is it about how much money would be fair for him. It is about us being cap squeezed and having had prospects with the Moose who should be able to fill the spot.

 

[WolfHouse]

Maybe. But it has to be one with a 750k contract, or very close to it. We haven't got the cap space for more.

You’re getting too fixated on the cap I think - Jets have a roster and it’s to cap max - every team has to make sacrifices in the flat cap world...

There’s really only one too six spot up for grabs in the next 3 years unless Wheeler really drops off then there’s two... I’m sure perfetti will get slotted into top six next year

that leaves an extra $2.75m from state expiring contract and another $1m in cap increase

this should be enough to sign PLD long-term and to re-sign or replace Copp... or harkins replaces Copp and we sign a better backup goalie

what’s the panic about

 

[libertarian]

Everyone seems to have fit within the cap and the Jets have many young wingers with upside for the middle six.

It’s funny that people are concerned about losing Broissoit. There was widespread concern when Chevy originally signed him.

...and Stanley was the worst 1st round pick in NHL history...
...Ranger took the Jets to the cleaners on the Trouba trade...
...Copp will never be any more then a 4th line bubble player...
...What? the Jets doing picked this nobody Scheifele 7th?...
...Oh my god! Bambi can't stay up on his skate...

LOL. I love Jets fans.

 

[Weezeric]

...and Stanley was the worst 1st round pick in NHL history...
...Ranger took the Jets to the cleaners on the Trouba trade...
...Copp will never be any more then a 4th line bubble player...
...What? the Jets doing picked this nobody Scheifele 7th?...
...Oh my god! Bambi can't stay up on his skate...

LOL. I love Jets fans.

Hah I think that’s just fans in general.

Every roster will have weaknesses. My hope was that Chevy would address the defence this offseason and he did an incredible job IMO. To the point, that our prospects will have to outplay legitimate top 4 defencemen to get in the lineup. I view that as a positive.

The forward group is solid 1-8. There are some question marks at 3rd line RW but lots of possible solutions, including young players who seem to be ready.

I don’t think this team will be bad enough to miss the playoffs due to their backup goaltender.