Grade Cheveldayoff's offseaon

[Mortimer Snerd]

I agree, I think he has done well given the market he is in and the constraints he has to deal with.

As I keep pointing out, the 'undesirable' market is a two sided coin. It hinders the signing of FA. That may be more good than bad. Chevy has been saved from himself sometimes. It also hinders acquiring people in trade but that is a different circumstance.

We have had guys agree to waive to come here. The NTC gives them the right to choose to some degree. When presented with limited alternatives, they sometimes choose to come here. In those cases it tends to be a shorter commitment from the players, like Schmidt. 3 years vs an FA who is usually looking to get a long term contract for 6+ years. Playing the remainder of a contract here doesn't look so bad. Then they come and find they like it, they may get extended.

Both of those situations only apply to players 27+ (usually). They don't get in the way of acquiring younger players, which is always my preference anyway.

But that said, Chevy has navigated his way to a pretty strong roster and still has all of his 1sts and a nice looking prospect pool. Hard to ask for much more than that. I don't know how the Jets FO could be rated as low as 6th.

 

[libertarian]

im concerned about the cumulative workload. he's led the league in GP, shots faced over the past number of years. he struggles as the POs get deeper. Look at his numbers against VGK, STL or CGY. Last year he was stellar, but less of a reg. season workload.

vas was on pace for 60 gp this season (82 gms)
last 2 seasons he was a 52 and 53 (he did have a foot injury where he missed couple weeks)

id like to see helle in the Vas range. maybe a bit of a lesser reg season workload would help his PO performance?

There is another aspect of Helle's work load that I have not seen anyone talk about yet. Helle's work load was just not Games Played but also the high shot totals and high danger chances the Jets D and team allowed every game.

If Chevy has really "fix" the D and the Jets D is now middle of the pack instead of bottom 3 in the NHL like the last 2 years then Helle's in game work load will be less if he is handling less shots per game and less high danger chances per game. Helle did not just play a lot of games per year, his in game work load was also the highest of all NHL starters. If the Jets improved D now makes Helle in game work load at the middle of the pack in the league instead of the highest will this not make a big difference to how fresh Helle will be come playoff time even if he plays 65+ games?

 

[Mathil8]

it's on the gm for not being prepared for this though

the jets knew about trouba's potential departure in early 2016

myers and chiarot both were ufa's with the potential to bounce

we're draft and develop.... how many RD's did we draft from 2016-2018? none in the first 2 rounds off my recollection..... think Kovacevic and Cedarholm are the only ones? Getting pionk and demelo have mitigated some of this though for sure. but the initial state of the defense was on Chevy. The whole buff ordeal idk enough to comment, but it seems like the org knew he was badly hurt and was contemplating hanging them during the summer, but again not privy to the details

The jets did know about Trouba's potential departure, they held onto him for the run in 2017-18 and tried to go for it with him on the roster in 2018-19 as well. They held onto him for the majority of his RFA years at a good price and then moved him for Pionk and the 1st round pick that we took Heinola with, and let him sign with the rangers for 8M a year. Pretty optimal outcome no?

Yes Myers and Chiarot were both UFAs with the potential to "bounce", and we were happy to let them do so when we had Buff cementing our D-core and Connor/Laine as high profile RFAs to sign. The issue is Buff then decided right before training camp to hang them up without any notice. If Chevy knew that, it's pretty clear at least one of them would have been re-signed as well as potential other D replacement targets, as we would have had 7.6M more to work with.

I'm a firm believer of BPA for drafting, doing otherwise results in the Boston/Edmonton head scratchers. Case in point, in 2016 why would we be drafting for RD when we had Buff, Trouba, and Myers on our roster? If anything our LD was our weak spot at that time. You can't really draft for need when these players are likely 4+ years away from making your roster, as we've seen first hand that needs are dynamic.

You don't know enough about the Buff ordeal to comment, yet proceed to make blind assumptions that the organization knew he was contemplating hanging them up... okay. In Chevy's interviews he made it clear that Buffs decision to retire came out of the blue. Not only that, but then there was the whole issue with him trying to recoup some of his contract by saying he was injured after the fact, which just tied up his 7.6M cap hit for the majority of the season, preventing Chevy from getting any replacement(s) mid-season.

The only thing I'm slightly upset with how Chevy handled the whole D-core rebuild is that I thought last off season he should have made a trade for a fairly inexpensive D upgrade in the D. Toews/Weegar/Dunn mold. Based on all of his pressers it seemed like he was in on a lot of deals but nothing materialized, which sucks for us but it takes two to tango. Chevy also alluded to trying to trade Laine for an equivalent defenseman and use his value/capspace to fix up the D-core, there was no takers and he ended up jumping on the Dubois trade when it became available. This offseason he was in a much better position to fix the issue cap wise and he went out and got Dillon and Schmidt without spending any roster players or 1st round picks... hard to be upset with the outcome when looking at all the details.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

The jets did know about Trouba's potential departure, they held onto him for the run in 2017-18 and tried to go for it with him on the roster in 2018-19 as well. They held onto him for the majority of his RFA years at a good price and then moved him for Pionk and the 1st round pick that we took Heinola with, and let him sign with rangers for 8M a year. Pretty optimal outcome no?

Yes Myers and Chiarot were both UFAs with the potential to "bounce", and we were happy to do so when we had Buff cementing our D-core and Connor/Laine as high profile RFAs to sign. The issue is Buff then decided right before training camp to hang them up without any notice. If Chevy knew that it's pretty clear at least one of them would have been re-signed as well as potential other D replacement targets, as we would have 7.6M more to work with.

I'm a firm believer of BPA for drafting, doing otherwise results in the Boston/Edmonton head scratchers. Case in point, in 2016 why would we be drafting for RD when we had Buff, Trouba, and Myers on our roster? If anything our LD was our weak spot at that time. You can't really draft for need when these players are likely 4+ years away from making your roster, as we've seen first hand that needs are dynamic.

You don't know enough about the Buff ordeal to comment, yet proceed to make blind assumptions that the organization knew he was contemplating hanging them up... okay. In Chevy's interviews he made it clear that Buffs decision to retire came out of the blue. Not only that, but then there was the whole issue with him trying to recoup some of his contract by saying he was injured after the fact, which just tied up his 7.6M cap hit for the majority of the season, preventing Chevy from getting any replacement(s) mid-season.

The only thing I'm slightly upset with how Chevy handled the whole D-core rebuild is that I thought last off season he should have made a trade for a fairly inexpensive D upgrade in the D. Toews/Weegar/Dunn mold. Based on all of his pressers it seemed like he was in on a lot of deals but nothing materialized, which sucks for us but it takes two to tango. Chevy also alluded to trying to trade Laine for an equivalent defenseman and use his value/capspace to fix up the D-core, there was no takers and he ended up jumping on the Dubois trade when it became available. This offseason he was in a much better position to fix the issue cap wise and he went out and got Dillon and Schmidt without spending any roster players or 1st round picks... hard to be upset with the outcome when looking at all the details.

Very Good Post!

 

[Jetland162702]

TB
COL
DET
FLA
NYI
WPG
LA
BOS
CAR
NJ

Bottom 3 are ARI, SJ, BUF. VAN is the lowest Canadian team at 29th.

Thanks. I guess this represents a point in time but I am a little surprised to see Florida that high.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Thanks. I guess this represents a point in time but I am a little surprised to see Florida that high.

Well, FLA is coming off a good-news season and management have done a lot right in terms of righting the ship and adding some exciting youth. And I imagine that the timing of the poll guarantees that the results are inflected by the "offseason bounce," when fans who have seen movement they appreciate are feeling good about the season to come, and vice versa.

I suspect that the same poll conducted in mid-season looks quite different.

 

[tbcwpg]

Thanks. I guess this represents a point in time but I am a little surprised to see Florida that high.

Florida just made the playoffs for the first time in awhile and their team is actually very good. They were unlucky to draw Tampa in the 1st round because they likely would've won a round against any other team in that division.

 

[DRW204]

The jets did know about Trouba's potential departure, they held onto him for the run in 2017-18 and tried to go for it with him on the roster in 2018-19 as well. They held onto him for the majority of his RFA years at a good price and then moved him for Pionk and the 1st round pick that we took Heinola with, and let him sign with the rangers for 8M a year. Pretty optimal outcome no?

Yes Myers and Chiarot were both UFAs with the potential to "bounce", and we were happy to let them do so when we had Buff cementing our D-core and Connor/Laine as high profile RFAs to sign. The issue is Buff then decided right before training camp to hang them up without any notice. If Chevy knew that, it's pretty clear at least one of them would have been re-signed as well as potential other D replacement targets, as we would have had 7.6M more to work with.

I'm a firm believer of BPA for drafting, doing otherwise results in the Boston/Edmonton head scratchers. Case in point, in 2016 why would we be drafting for RD when we had Buff, Trouba, and Myers on our roster? If anything our LD was our weak spot at that time. You can't really draft for need when these players are likely 4+ years away from making your roster, as we've seen first hand that needs are dynamic.

You don't know enough about the Buff ordeal to comment, yet proceed to make blind assumptions that the organization knew he was contemplating hanging them up... okay. In Chevy's interviews he made it clear that Buffs decision to retire came out of the blue. Not only that, but then there was the whole issue with him trying to recoup some of his contract by saying he was injured after the fact, which just tied up his 7.6M cap hit for the majority of the season, preventing Chevy from getting any replacement(s) mid-season.

The only thing I'm slightly upset with how Chevy handled the whole D-core rebuild is that I thought last off season he should have made a trade for a fairly inexpensive D upgrade in the D. Toews/Weegar/Dunn mold. Based on all of his pressers it seemed like he was in on a lot of deals but nothing materialized, which sucks for us but it takes two to tango. Chevy also alluded to trying to trade Laine for an equivalent defenseman and use his value/capspace to fix up the D-core, there was no takers and he ended up jumping on the Dubois trade when it became available. This offseason he was in a much better position to fix the issue cap wise and he went out and got Dillon and Schmidt without spending any roster players or 1st round picks... hard to be upset with the outcome when looking at all the details.

The jets did know about Trouba's potential departure, they held onto him for the run in 2017-18 and tried to go for it with him on the roster in 2018-19 as well. They held onto him for the majority of his RFA years at a good price and then moved him for Pionk and the 1st round pick that we took Heinola with, and let him sign with the rangers for 8M a year. Pretty optimal outcome no?

Yes Myers and Chiarot were both UFAs with the potential to "bounce", and we were happy to let them do so when we had Buff cementing our D-core and Connor/Laine as high profile RFAs to sign. The issue is Buff then decided right before training camp to hang them up without any notice. If Chevy knew that, it's pretty clear at least one of them would have been re-signed as well as potential other D replacement targets, as we would have had 7.6M more to work with.

I'm a firm believer of BPA for drafting, doing otherwise results in the Boston/Edmonton head scratchers. Case in point, in 2016 why would we be drafting for RD when we had Buff, Trouba, and Myers on our roster? If anything our LD was our weak spot at that time. You can't really draft for need when these players are likely 4+ years away from making your roster, as we've seen first hand that needs are dynamic.

my argument on why would we draft RD.

Trouba was leaving, Buff was 31-33 with extensive injury history & Myers was going to be a UFA in a couples years. Dmen take what 2-3 years to develop? Our NHL RD depth was good but was very short-term or finite, since 1 player was never going to sign-long term (Trouba) and 1 was going to be a UFA who i doubt we would get into a bidding war for (and really was not going to be worth the cap hit).

our LD depth at the time was Morrissey-Enstrom/Kulikov (signed up until 19-20)-Chiarot. Our NHL LD depth was worse than RD for sure, but RD was going to take a big hit in couple years, & we saw that in 19-20 prior to pionk breaking out. We did draft Samberg+Stanley with high capital picks in '16 and '17 so our LD pool was getting replenished with potential top 4 Dmen for if/when Enstrom/Kulikov or Chiarot were not-resigned, but we didn't really do much for RHD when we knew they might take a large hit on that side that many here foresaw. Pionk wasn't a guarantee to be the return in the trade either. So our RD draft cupboard was bare, and we had 2 high TOI players (Trouba & Myers) with high potential to move in merely couple seasons. We had potential replacements for Chiarot or Kulikov in Samberg and Stanley, neither have panned out to be quality dmen yet (this is besides the point), but the org. at least drafted for potential to mitigate the LD departures.

the Trouba trade was V good which was not really the point. i just don't get how posters (and not specifically you, so sorry if im projecting a bit) say Chevy was handed a shit situation, or how the departures of Trouba, Myers or Chiarot were all surprises. NHL players have potential to leave in FA, or don't sign long-term with their respective clubs, this isn't atypical. Even then, think majority of people here would be even more disappointed if both Myers + Chiarot got signed to those deals in WPG.

The only thing I'm slightly upset with how Chevy handled the whole D-core rebuild is that I thought last off season he should have made a trade for a fairly inexpensive D upgrade in the D. Toews/Weegar/Dunn mold. Based on all of his pressers it seemed like he was in on a lot of deals but nothing materialized, which sucks for us but it takes two to tango. Chevy also alluded to trying to trade Laine for an equivalent defenseman and use his value/capspace to fix up the D-core, there was no takers and he ended up jumping on the Dubois trade when it became available. This offseason he was in a much better position to fix the issue cap wise and he went out and got Dillon and Schmidt without spending any roster players or 1st round picks... hard to be upset with the outcome when looking at all the details.

agreed 100%.

those 3 players were apparently on the block and 3 fantastic dmen (none had ntc/nmc). Toews went for 2x2nds and was signed to a 4m deal at 26, & was trending to be a top 10 Dman in the league. that's far better deal than what we did for Dillon or Schmidt a year later (imo). it seems like we were linked to Ristolainen for a long time but never those 3 so not sure if we ever inquired neither dunn or weegar got traded so can't really say much there.

 

[Mathil8]

my argument on why would we draft RD.

Trouba was leaving, Buff was 31-33 with extensive injury history & Myers was going to be a UFA in a couples years. Dmen take what 2-3 years to develop? Our NHL RD depth was good but was very short-term or finite, since 1 player was never going to sign-long term (Trouba) and 1 was going to be a UFA who i doubt we would get into a bidding war for (and really was not going to be worth the cap hit).

our LD depth at the time was Morrissey-Enstrom/Kulikov (signed up until 19-20)-Chiarot. Our NHL LD depth was worse than RD for sure, but RD was going to take a big hit in couple years, & we saw that in 19-20 prior to pionk breaking out. We did draft Samberg+Stanley with high capital picks in '16 and '17 so our LD pool was getting replenished with potential top 4 Dmen for if/when Enstrom/Kulikov or Chiarot were not-resigned, but we didn't really do much for RHD when we knew they might take a large hit on that side that many here foresaw. Pionk wasn't a guarantee to be the return in the trade either. So our RD draft cupboard was bare, and we had 2 high TOI players (Trouba & Myers) with high potential to move in merely couple seasons. We had potential replacements for Chiarot or Kulikov in Samberg and Stanley, neither have panned out to be quality dmen yet (this is besides the point), but the org. at least drafted for potential to mitigate the LD departures.

the Trouba trade was V good which was not really the point. i just don't get how posters (and not specifically you, so sorry if im projecting a bit) say Chevy was handed a shit situation, or how the departures of Trouba, Myers or Chiarot were all surprises. NHL players have potential to leave in FA, or don't sign long-term with their respective clubs, this isn't atypical. Even then, think majority of people here would be even more disappointed if both Myers + Chiarot got signed to those deals in WPG.



agreed 100%.

those 3 players were apparently on the block and 3 fantastic dmen (none had ntc/nmc). Toews went for 2x2nds and was signed to a 4m deal at 26, & was trending to be a top 10 Dman in the league. that's far better deal than what we did for Dillon or Schmidt a year later (imo). it seems like we were linked to Ristolainen for a long time but never those 3 so not sure if we ever inquired neither dunn or weegar got traded so can't really say much there.

Florida was initially looking to trade Weegar during RFA talks, jets were apparently one of the teams interested in him, florida ended up re-signing him. Last off-season Chevy was linked to many trades for d men, either prices, fits, or no trade clauses won out. So yes I'm disappointed we didn't get any D upgrades last off-season, but by all accounts it's not for a lack of trying on Chevys part. The same posters who say he should have made a deal no matter what are the same ones who would baulk at the prices we would have had to pay. It's easy to say that Chevy should have traded more than two 2nds for D Toews, but we don't even know if a deal for him was an option for the jets.

 

[DRW204]

Florida was initially looking to trade Weegar during RFA talks, jets were apparently one of the teams interested in him, florida ended up re-signing him. Last off-season Chevy was linked to many trades for d men, either prices, fits, or no trade clauses won out. So yes I'm disappointed we didn't get any D upgrades last off-season, but by all accounts it's not for a lack of trying on Chevys part. The same posters who say he should have made a deal no matter what are the same ones who would baulk at the prices we would have had to pay. It's easy to say that Chevy should have traded more than two 2nds for D Toews, but we don't even know if a deal for him was an option for the jets.

ook perhaps that slipped my mind. nevertheless he never got dealt so clearly there wasn't a deal to be had there. idk what precludes chevy from dealing with NYI though.

 

[surixon]

my argument on why would we draft RD.

Trouba was leaving, Buff was 31-33 with extensive injury history & Myers was going to be a UFA in a couples years. Dmen take what 2-3 years to develop? Our NHL RD depth was good but was very short-term or finite, since 1 player was never going to sign-long term (Trouba) and 1 was going to be a UFA who i doubt we would get into a bidding war for (and really was not going to be worth the cap hit).

our LD depth at the time was Morrissey-Enstrom/Kulikov (signed up until 19-20)-Chiarot. Our NHL LD depth was worse than RD for sure, but RD was going to take a big hit in couple years, & we saw that in 19-20 prior to pionk breaking out. We did draft Samberg+Stanley with high capital picks in '16 and '17 so our LD pool was getting replenished with potential top 4 Dmen for if/when Enstrom/Kulikov or Chiarot were not-resigned, but we didn't really do much for RHD when we knew they might take a large hit on that side that many here foresaw. Pionk wasn't a guarantee to be the return in the trade either. So our RD draft cupboard was bare, and we had 2 high TOI players (Trouba & Myers) with high potential to move in merely couple seasons. We had potential replacements for Chiarot or Kulikov in Samberg and Stanley, neither have panned out to be quality dmen yet (this is besides the point), but the org. at least drafted for potential to mitigate the LD departures.

the Trouba trade was V good which was not really the point. i just don't get how posters (and not specifically you, so sorry if im projecting a bit) say Chevy was handed a shit situation, or how the departures of Trouba, Myers or Chiarot were all surprises. NHL players have potential to leave in FA, or don't sign long-term with their respective clubs, this isn't atypical. Even then, think majority of people here would be even more disappointed if both Myers + Chiarot got signed to those deals in WPG.



agreed 100%.

those 3 players were apparently on the block and 3 fantastic dmen (none had ntc/nmc). Toews went for 2x2nds and was signed to a 4m deal at 26, & was trending to be a top 10 Dman in the league. that's far better deal than what we did for Dillon or Schmidt a year later (imo). it seems like we were linked to Ristolainen for a long time but never those 3 so not sure if we ever inquired neither dunn or weegar got traded so can't really say much there.

He definitely tried to get Weager last year and imo he was the player we would have got if the rumored three-way deal with Vegas and Florida materialized.

He should have been in on Toews for that price point though.

I definitely would have been game for him to draft more RD but nothing was really there.

2016: the run of RD in MacOvoy and Fabbro happened before our Stanley pick. No other RD chosen in round 1. Drafted RD Green in round 3 but injuries derailed him (Too bad as he had a lot of natural ability and was a very gifted skater). Drafted RD Cederholm in 4th round. Old school physical dmen that never grew much.

2017: No real solid RD went around their Pick in round 1. I guess we could have stayed at 13 and grabbed Liligrin which is a player we apparently liked. He hasn't made much of an impact yet though.

We grabbed a big physical skating RD in Kovacevik in round 3 who looks like a solid bet to be an NHL dmen imo.

Gawanke was grabbed in the 5th round and has developed fairly well so far.

We had no first pick in 2018 and grabbing Gus with our second round pick made sense has we also had a major shortage in terms of centers in the org.

2019: Heinola was a good pick as there was no RD picked after him in the first.

We grabbed RD Lundmark in the second round (Samberg type dmen)

2020:
Perfetti easily best pick at that spot and no RD in sight at that pick.

Drafted RD Baur in 6th round

2021: we could have gone for Ceulemans here and I would have been OK with that.


Simply put I don't think outside of this past year the opportunity was there to draft an upper echelon RD prospect in round 1. I also am not a fan of reaching for position which is what would have needed to happen to take one.

The org also used a lot of post first round picks on RD. Some didn't work out, some are still developing well.

 

[drumzan]

Bumping this thread. I was the one person who gave Chevy a “D”. Would’ve given him an “F” but I liked the draft picks and the Svechnikov signing. Everything else was basically a fail.

 

[Jack7222]

Bumping this thread. I was the one person who gave Chevy a “D”. Would’ve given him an “F” but I liked the draft picks and the Svechnikov signing. Everything else was basically a fail.

Congrats, here is your silver medal. Now where is wpgfishfan to collect his gold...

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

The roster looked good to me. My issue has been the coaching and what that has done with accountability with this group. Since the four straight losses to Vegas with no meaningful adjustments. We would never win anything with Maurice - it was brutally clear. That is what I said then and it is true to this day.

If Chevy wanted to give Maurice the benefit of the doubt, the way the team quit against the Blues the following season is all he needed to make a not even very tough decision and move on. But he didn't. It's not as if we were playing well that year. Since Dec 2018 we were sleepwalking at .500 W/L.

It hurts to say, but I think that that we may have squandered this year with a solid roster due to the way Chevy and TNSE have been mis-managing the coaching situation with this team. Calgary is a good example of what a coach that requires accountability can do with a decent roster. I feel like we had one this year - solid roster. With the right coach I still believe that this could have been a very very good year for this club. Instead, we rode a burned out never won anything guy that didn't even want the job anymore so he quit. And handed it off to a rookie who was completely caught off guard and out of his depth. Lowry may make a good NHL head coach one day, but who wants to suffer through the learning curve of that experiment - oh - other than TNSE.

 

[surixon]

The roster looked good to me. My issue has been the coaching and what that has done with accountability with this group. Since the four straight losses to Vegas with no meaningful adjustments. We would never win anything with Maurice - it was brutally clear. That is what I said then and it is true to this day.

If Chevy wanted to give Maurice the benefit of the doubt, the way the team quit against the Blues the following season is all he needed to make a not even very tough decision and move on. But he didn't. It's not as if we were playing well that year. Since Dec 2018 we were sleepwalking at .500 W/L.

It hurts to say, but I think that that we may have squandered this year with a solid roster due to the way Chevy and TNSE have been mis-managing the coaching situation with this team. Calgary is a good example of what a coach that requires accountability can do with a decent roster. I feel like we had one this year - solid roster. With the right coach I still believe that this could have been a very very good year for this club. Instead, we rode a burned out never won anything guy that didn't even want the job anymore so he quit. And handed it off to a rookie who was completely caught off guard and out of his depth. Lowry may make a good NHL head coach one day, but who wants to suffer through the learning curve of that experiment - oh - other than TNSE.

The group never really bought into Lowry and have completely tuned him out down the stretch. In hindsight a pretty bad call by management.

With regards to Maurice it sounds like he was having second thoughts this past summer and as such should have not been retained. I think this is a profession you need to be all in on. So not moving on was probably the biggest mistake Chevy made this past offseason.

Having said that I wonder how different this year might have been had we had any puck luck the first 25 games this season. I know it's hard to look back and see aby positives this year but this team was playing some real good Hockey in that stretch but were not getting any finish and things kind of deteriorated and fell apart as the team got frustrated. Normalized finishing and the team is likely in a playoff spot around game 30 and Moe likely doesn't resign.

Just to rehash through the first 1/4 of the season:

Jets were 10th in XGF%
In terms of chance generating/60 they were 6th in the entire league but they had a bottom 7 shooting percentage.
In terms of chance prevention they were pretty much middle of the pack at 17th/60.

So there was a very good team in this group before things went off the rails. They generated chances at an elite level and defended at a league average rate (Significantly improved from the last few years)

The one main thing I put on the coaches that stretch was a putridly awful PK.

 

[drumzan]

Congrats, here is your silver medal. Now where is wpgfishfan to collect his gold...

 

[TS Quint]

I love this poll! Then, 82% Grade A off season. 82% of the post now "Chevy needs to go"!

 

[TS Quint]

I know this is a bit of a conspiracy because I have no proof of anything but I'll throw it out there....

Should we/the Jets seen a red flag when Dillon was lining guys up in practice and Wheeler, the captain, the leader, the guy who some think is too hard on the team, came over and told Dillon to relax and knock it off. Maybe Dillon wasn't in the wrong. Im not saying he should be laying Connor and Scheifele out but maybe letting them know they were on the tracks wasn't a bad thing. Maybe Dillon hasn't been used to playing on teams where you treat preseason scrimmages like you're just messing around and just playing offense. Maybe Dillon was used to playing on teams where you use the preseason to start playing the game properly which the Jets, despite a decent roster never got to doing this season.

 

[surixon]

I know this is a bit of a conspiracy because I have no proof of anything but I'll throw it out there....

Should we/the Jets seen a red flag when Dillon was lining guys up in practice and Wheeler, the captain, the leader, the guy who some think is too hard on the team, came over and told Dillon to relax and knock it off. Maybe Dillon wasn't in the wrong. Im not saying he should be laying Connor and Scheifele out but maybe letting them know they were on the tracks wasn't a bad thing. Maybe Dillon hasn't been used to playing on teams where you treat preseason scrimmages like you're just messing around and just playing offense. Maybe Dillon was used to playing on teams where you use the preseason to start playing the game properly which the Jets, despite a decent roster never got to doing this season.

See my post a few up, they were a very good team the first 1/4 of the year. They just had a piss poor PK and suffered poor puck look which offset just how good they were at 5 on 5. So I'm not really sure that had much of an impact on the team. I think there is a fine line between battling hard in camp and practice and actively blowing teammates up.

 

[Hunter368]

8 months old thread and nearly one full season later, replaced a HC, bunch of injuries & COVID?

Nope