GDT: Gold Medal Game Pt 3

[Lataba76]

Is it Finlands 1st gold ever in WJC?

No four times! 1987,98,2014,16.

 

[Ville231]

How many times can people blame officiating after losing to Finland? Every penalty Russia got was well deserved. Finland was clearly the better team after the 1st period. Russia got tired and it started showing in the 3rd period. It seemed to me like the referees didn't want to call the late penalty on Sergeyev, but they had no choice since Aho was clearly tripped on a goal scoring chance.

 

[armyjoe]

How many times can people blame officiating after losing to Finland? Every penalty Russia got was well deserved. Finland was clearly the better team after the 1st period. Russia got tired and it started showing in the 3rd period. It seemed to me like the referees didn't want to call the late penalty on Sergeyev, but they had no choice since Aho was clearly tripped on a goal scoring chance.

Yeah I`d like to know which penalty was wrongly whistled

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

No, not right. I said all I wanted to say already.

You should have probably stopped after posting: "Stopped by to congratulate Finland"

 

[Finnished]

Gold medal game had 2.4 million viewers in Finland (a bit over 5 million people here). I would say it couldn't have been a bigger success than it was.

 

[kurt]

Initially he went to complain to the refs (as in swear at them probably) about the tripping? penalty that led to the Finnish PP and goal and got a 10 for it, got upset about the 10 and broke his stick on the outside of the penalty box and went inside and immediately hit an official's clipboard out of his hand causing his hand to bleed a bit.

Was sitting next to a ref buddy who was in a ref chat at the time and that was the only big reffing mistake of the finals, automatic 5+20 every time if you manage to be stupid enough hit an official or ref. Now the refs managed to create a new penalty that was 10+20 or in some sources 10+10 or something stupid...

So Winland should've been on PP for the last couple of minutes but hey, it worked out.

What ref did he hit?

I thought it was pretty extreme for the ref to give him a 10 in the first place... I'm curious about what actually was said. It should take a lot for a ref to throw a kid out of a game like that. Ref should just be skating away.

His little tantrum afterwards definitely earned him a trip to the dressing room though.

 

[capebretoncanadien]

Good job Finland!!

It's great to see such a relatively small country do so well on an international level. They have a great passion for hockey that's for sure. Love it.

Canada was just ass this year.

 

[Petskuta]

What ref did he hit?

I thought it was pretty extreme for the ref to give him a 10 in the first place... I'm curious about what actually was said. It should take a lot for a ref to throw a kid out of a game like that. Ref should just be skating away.

His little tantrum afterwards definitely earned him a trip to the dressing room though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV2ezC0Zp0g

Here's the stick-swinging that led to his ejection, the actual reason for the 10 in the first place wasn't really visible in any of the replays. Seems heavy but it must have been reasonably clear judging from his tantrum. What's puzzling is that there was no actual team penalty given other than the 10+20. Would have killed the Russians' comeback but it ended up well for us anyway The story would be different, tho, had the Russians scored in OT.

 

[WeAre]

How many times can people blame officiating after losing to Finland?

Well ask Roman "Fckface" Rotenbrg. I hope that Sauli Niinistö takes away his finnish nationality and shoot that rat face back to Russia

Enough is enough even for me. His media ******* starts te be very annoying. Idiotic comments today and yesterday from Rotenberg.... very very very bad loser "we were better than fins blaa blaa but officials" .

 

[pashazz]

Does anyone know the name of the finnish goal's soundtrack?

 

[TPuck]

Does anyone know the name of the finnish goal's soundtrack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3afPxZhJIw

There you go

 

[Snowsii]

Does anyone know the name of the finnish goal's soundtrack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3afPxZhJIw

 

[FinPanda]

Gold without centers. I mean Saarela is C and was playing winger, Aho and Hintz are wingers who played center. Siikonen as a 4th line C was the only one.

 

[Privet]

Great game by Finland. Your team truly deserved to be the Gold Medal Champions.

I'm a little disappointed in Team Russia, even though the fought back to tie the game. I dislike how the team sits back and turtles when they have a 1 goal lead only to get burned. We should have got burned by the US for sitting back but we got lucky with the posts.

 

[Russiaboy]

Blah Russia should of won this , Russias has one of the best coaches in the world juniors no doubt .. Great game to watch but would of been better if Russia won with the tieing goal in 6 seconds .

 

[Rentsi]

Thank god there was only 6 seconds left after that 3-3 goal. Finns were able to shake it off in a dressing room.

I don't think I have never seen a russian team that has so much discipline in their game. They really played as a team and they had a very good coach. These russians have a bright future ahead of them.

 

[Yakushev72]

Stopped by to congratulate Finnland, in spite of what I am about to post after a legitimate champion dislodging two top contenders en route to the finals.
Without any conspiracy can't help but wonder, how come in the end of a decisive game refs would give 6 consecutive pm to one team? 4 of them legitimate, but we also know, that every other play in hockey can be whistled for a penalty.

I wonder the same thing. I reacted with some frustration yesterday, but even with a cooler head today, I haven't changed my assessment. I read that in the typical NHL game, more than 60 fouls by rule requiring a penalty occur. Since they can't call 60 or more penalties a game, they are allowed discretion to which they call and which they let go. That is where the problem lies.

Up until midway through the 2nd period yesterday, things were going pretty well for Russia and not so well for Finland. You could hear the crowd noise in the background becoming increasingly more insistent that the referee start calling some penalties against Russia every time there was a body check. And then the procession started. The refs called 3 penalties back to back against Russia, which completely changed the momentum and intensity of the game. Over the course of 3 power plays, Finland started generating some attack, and the penalties kept coming throughout the remainder of the game. The penalties totally negated all the good things that Russia had done. I guess you could say the crowd took over.

Once the momentum shifted, the Finns started crashing bodies all over the ice, but of course, the referees concluded that all those hits fell into the "discretionary" column and were accordingly not called. I don't buy it. Congratulations of course to the Finns, who played with great skill and intensity, but the box score speaks for itself, and it didn't seem right.

 

[Jussi]

Gold medal game had 2.4 million viewers in Finland (a bit over 5 million people here). I would say it couldn't have been a bigger success than it was.

Peak number, average just below. 1995 and 2011 World Championship finals were well above 2 million IIRC.

 

[FiLe]

Siikonen as a 4th line C was the only one.

Don't forget Nättinen.

And on the other side, Kalapudas is another C who found himself from the wing.

 

[aahola]

I wonder the same thing. I reacted with some frustration yesterday, but even with a cooler head today, I haven't changed my assessment. I read that in the typical NHL game, more than 60 fouls by rule requiring a penalty occur. Since they can't call 60 or more penalties a game, they are allowed discretion to which they call and which they let go. That is where the problem lies.

Up until midway through the 2nd period yesterday, things were going pretty well for Russia and not so well for Finland. You could hear the crowd noise in the background becoming increasingly more insistent that the referee start calling some penalties against Russia every time there was a body check. And then the procession started. The refs called 3 penalties back to back against Russia, which completely changed the momentum and intensity of the game. Over the course of 3 power plays, Finland started generating some attack, and the penalties kept coming throughout the remainder of the game. The penalties totally negated all the good things that Russia had done. I guess you could say the crowd took over.

Once the momentum shifted, the Finns started crashing bodies all over the ice, but of course, the referees concluded that all those hits fell into the "discretionary" column and were accordingly not called. I don't buy it. Congratulations of course to the Finns, who played with great skill and intensity, but the box score speaks for itself, and it didn't seem right.

This is mostly just ******** with no real evidence to back it up. Ultimately, the referees aren't supposed call the same amount of penalties to both teams but instead create a standard of play for the game and call penalties on plays that are against that standard.

You have the whole match on the internet to analyze, so show me where the referees went wrong.

 

[Yakushev72]

When one team has the momentum on their side, that can lead to to other team committing penalties. The penalties in the 3rd period were so clear that the refs and IIHF officials would have been questioned, again, by the media had they not been called.

But I saw all kinds of infractions in the 3rd period by Finland that should have been called, but the referees exercised their "discretion" to swallow their whistles. The Finns were playing with intense emotion, which included running around trying to throw heavy hits all over the ice, and when you do that, you can't avoid committing infractions. By exercising discretion, I mean to say that the refs seemed to choke and defer to the crowd. The crowd deserves a huge amount of credit for the outcome of that game. Not saying that the Russians were the better team or that Finland shouldn't have been the winner. Just saying that the crowd seemed to clearly influence the procession to the penalty box.

 

[rduck1]

But I saw all kinds of infractions in the 3rd period by Finland that should have been called, but the referees exercised their "discretion" to swallow their whistles. The Finns were playing with intense emotion, which included running around trying to throw heavy hits all over the ice, and when you do that, you can't avoid committing infractions. By exercising discretion, I mean to say that the refs seemed to choke and defer to the crowd. The crowd deserves a huge amount of credit for the outcome of that game. Not saying that the Russians were the better team or that Finland shouldn't have been the winner. Just saying that the crowd seemed to clearly influence the procession to the penalty box.

That happened every game, and has happened for a long time in many IIHF events. It's a problem, but the IIHF doesn't want to acknowledge it because it would put pressure on them to allocate more resources into better refereeing, when those resources are currently allocated to their pockets. That said, there weren't any clearly wrong calls or non-calls in the final, and there was quite a bit of discretion used in the Kamenev situation in not giving a power-play.

 

[Jussi]

But I saw all kinds of infractions in the 3rd period by Finland that should have been called, but the referees exercised their "discretion" to swallow their whistles. The Finns were playing with intense emotion, which included running around trying to throw heavy hits all over the ice, and when you do that, you can't avoid committing infractions. By exercising discretion, I mean to say that the refs seemed to choke and defer to the crowd. The crowd deserves a huge amount of credit for the outcome of that game. Not saying that the Russians were the better team or that Finland shouldn't have been the winner. Just saying that the crowd seemed to clearly influence the procession to the penalty box.

In hockey, refs are always influnced by the homw crowds in junior tournaments, Caanda always gets help from them when the tournament is held in Canada, Swedes got help two years ago and Russia gets help when it's held there. The refs favored Russia heavily in the 2014 World Championship final in front a dominantly Russian crowd. These things just happen. the quality of officiating just isn't very high in international competitions due to reasons I've explained before.

 

[FiLe]

But I saw all kinds of infractions in the 3rd period by Finland that should have been called, but the referees exercised their "discretion" to swallow their whistles. The Finns were playing with intense emotion, which included running around trying to throw heavy hits all over the ice, and when you do that, you can't avoid committing infractions. By exercising discretion, I mean to say that the refs seemed to choke and defer to the crowd. The crowd deserves a huge amount of credit for the outcome of that game. Not saying that the Russians were the better team or that Finland shouldn't have been the winner. Just saying that the crowd seemed to clearly influence the procession to the penalty box.

If we wish to get a little meta, let's keep in mind what hockey - and all pro sports - are about. Entertainment. From the society's view, it's the only purpose an athlete trains hard and plays hard - for the amusement of more productive members of same society.

I'm not saying it's perfectly okay, especially not so if you're rooting for the team that's on the receiving end, but when the ref starts listening to the crowd, he is, in a way, fulfilling said purpose to a tee. He is making sure the audience gets the entertainment it's there for.

I would personally ultimately prefer a game where everything gets called perfectly fairly an impartially, but the ref bending under pressure... is not completely against the spirit of the game.

 

[Joe MacMillan]

I mentioned 3 consecutive penalties in the end of the game, where did I mention a lopsided number of penalty minutes? There is an unspoken rule that in such games you basically only call if someone head gets chopped off.

You gotta be kidding me. It's still a hockey game. When the stakes are the highest as they are in a gold medal game, the refs, if ever, are expected to enforce the rules.

Jesus, think about what you're actually saying for a second: you're suggesting that at the biggest stage of a hockey tournament the rules of the game shall be ignored and the players penalized only on the most drastic offences notwithstanding what the rules stipulate. Yea, a great way to determine the best hockey team.