GDT: Gold Medal Game Pt 3

[Jussi]

That happened every game, and has happened for a long time in many IIHF events. It's a problem, but the IIHF doesn't want to acknowledge it because it would put pressure on them to allocate more resources into better refereeing, when those resources are currently allocated to their pockets. That said, there weren't any clearly wrong calls or non-calls in the final, and there was quite a bit of discretion used in the Kamenev situation in not giving a power-play.

It's more a problem by the national federations who decide which refs get sent to each tournament.

 

[kurt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV2ezC0Zp0g

Here's the stick-swinging that led to his ejection, the actual reason for the 10 in the first place wasn't really visible in any of the replays. Seems heavy but it must have been reasonably clear judging from his tantrum. What's puzzling is that there was no actual team penalty given other than the 10+20. Would have killed the Russians' comeback but it ended up well for us anyway The story would be different, tho, had the Russians scored in OT.

Yeah, he clearly deserved the ejection for his reaction, but I gotta wonder what earned him the initial 10 minutes.

Great win for Finland. Clearly the better team in this game. Minor penalty balance in the third can certainly be questioned, but Russian players took clear penalties. I think some people need to take the fan goggles off and just accept that Russian players took some desperation penalties and rallied amazingly. Hats off to them.

 

[NyQuil]

Russia loses = referees bad.

It's like clockwork.

As far as I'm concerned, the fact that they weren't shorthanded at the end of the game was a blessing from the refs and allowed them to tie it up.

Meanwhile, the parade of penalties to the US in the semi-final (3 in the first period) certainly sapped their initial burst of energy.

I don't see Russian fans acknowledging that.

 

[TootooTrain]

But Canada is the only country that puts stock into the WJHC..ammi rite...

 

[NyQuil]

But Canada is the only country that puts stock into the WJHC..ammi rite...

Winning adds instant credibility to any tournament.

The worst thing that ever happened to the World Cup was Canada edging Finland back in 2004.

If the opposite result had occurred, Finns would likely be among the tournament's biggest supporters.

(until the NHL decided to bring it back with gimmicks and silliness)

 

[FiLe]

Something just dawned to me. It's a thought that's been nagging in the back of my head since Finland's group stage game vs. the Czech Republic. I mean, Finland got three, measly three man advantage opportunities in the entire game (as opposed to two for the other side), and yet the Czech fans moaned about it afterwards like crickets in heat.

Six minutes is mere 10% of a hockey game, that lasts 60 minutes at minimum. The thought I wanted to yell at those Czechs back then was, why in the heck are you nagging about it, when you still had more than 90% of the game to score the necessary ones 5-on-5!

Well, the obvious answer is, scoring on even strength in modern hockey is, well, actually pretty damn hard. As our own coach Jukka Jalonen has said, "a hockey game these days is mostly decided on special teams".

So, when we moan about refs and wish they were overall better and more impartial, we're actually looking at the wrong solution. Instead of fixing the refs, we should look at ways to fix the game in a manner that diminishes the effect of penalties somewhat.

As in, make scoring 5-on-5 easier. While you'd still probably get some fans with colored glasses who'd blame the refs, for the most part you could tell the losing side, "you had ample time to score what you needed when you weren't in the box".

 

[OHLTG]

Haha, I was in the back of that party crowd. One of the coldest experiences of my life, but entertaining, none-the-less.

 

[1Gold Standard]

But Canada is the only country that puts stock into the WJHC..ammi rite...

We don't even celebrate like that...at least I haven't seen it. That looks to me like Vancouver 2010 level celebrating... but it's good. now we have to work on a few more European countries getting it to that level.

This tournament is special.

 

[FiLe]

We don't even celebrate like that...at least I haven't seen it. That looks to me like Vancouver 2010 level celebrating... but it's good. now we have to work on a few more European countries getting it to that level.

The novelty of winning... well, pretty much anything hasn't faded from us yet.

 

[WeAre]

They really played as a team .

Except Kamenev and some other. Kamenev is takin Ilya "casette" Kovalchuks boot very soon. What would be better than Ilya-Kamenev-Radulov in the same line drinking pepsi max and raging around

 

[Yakushev72]

Russia loses = referees bad.

It's like clockwork.

As far as I'm concerned, the fact that they weren't shorthanded at the end of the game was a blessing from the refs and allowed them to tie it up.

Meanwhile, the parade of penalties to the US in the semi-final (3 in the first period) certainly sapped their initial burst of energy.

I don't see Russian fans acknowledging that.

You were involved in the pregame discussion on the issue, so you understand why many Russian fans were leery of a Canadian ref working this game. Its definitely true that penalties affected the US in the Semifinal, so I'll leave it to the Americans to raise objections about it. But there was nothing about yesterday's game that didn't feed directly into the skepticism.

The game is rolling along well for Russia in the 2nd, not looking good for Finland, and then the crowd gets apprehensive and starts jeering and screaming for a penalty at every collision or body check (you could easily hear them), and then the Canadian ref caves in and starts calling a stream of penalties against Russia that puts them on the power play for the remainder of the period. Momentum broken, tide turned, game outcome affected. That's what the record shows as transpiring. Suspicion confirmed.

 

[illone84]

Is it Finlands 1st gold ever in WJC?

Do not feed the troll!!!!!!

 

[NyQuil]

Its definitely true that penalties affected the US in the Semifinal, so I'll leave it to the Americans to raise objections about it. But there was nothing about yesterday's game that didn't feed directly into the skepticism.

The argument was that Canadian officials favour Western and in particular American teams.

The game proved that this was abjectly false.

The Russians who complained BEFORE the puck was even dropped were oddly silent on the quality of the officiating at the time.

If it doesn't fit the conspiracy theory, just ignore it out of hand.

The game is rolling along well for Russia in the 2nd, not looking good for Finland, and then the crowd gets apprehensive and starts jeering and screaming for a penalty at every collision or body check (you could easily hear them), and then the Canadian ref caves in and starts calling a stream of penalties against Russia that puts them on the power play for the remainder of the period. Momentum broken, tide turned, game outcome affected. That's what the record shows as transpiring. Suspicion confirmed.

It's another Canadian ref this time, the end result was not what you were looking for, and Russian fans conveniently ignore the evidence of the previous day's game.

Suspicion confirmed.

I'd say the biggest refereeing decision to affect the outcome was the lack of a PP for when Kamenev made contact with the official with his stick.

By any objective account, Russia was pretty fortunate when it comes to the officiating in both the semi-final and final games.

It's hard to take this kind of argument seriously when you pick and choose when to comment on the officiating based on whether Russia lost or not.

 

[FinPanda]

Haha, I was in the back of that party crowd. One of the coldest experiences of my life, but entertaining, none-the-less.

Awesome!

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We celebrate like we haven't won anything before. I like it. Maybe it'll stop if we win too much, but probably not.

 

[Zybalto]

So anybody find out what happened with Kamenev on the initial call?

Sorry if it has already been posted.

 

[armyjoe]

You were involved in the pregame discussion on the issue, so you understand why many Russian fans were leery of a Canadian ref working this game. Its definitely true that penalties affected the US in the Semifinal, so I'll leave it to the Americans to raise objections about it. But there was nothing about yesterday's game that didn't feed directly into the skepticism.

The game is rolling along well for Russia in the 2nd, not looking good for Finland, and then the crowd gets apprehensive and starts jeering and screaming for a penalty at every collision or body check (you could easily hear them), and then the Canadian ref caves in and starts calling a stream of penalties against Russia that puts them on the power play for the remainder of the period. Momentum broken, tide turned, game outcome affected. That's what the record shows as transpiring. Suspicion confirmed.

TSN has the whole game on their site. Could you please show us which calls were wrong and where referees didn`t call obvious penalties against finns?

 

[huuto]

So anybody find out what happened with Kamenev on the initial call?

Sorry if it has already been posted.

If i remember correctly, a few seconds before 3-2-goal, Kamenev was tripped by Laine(?). in any case, he fell to the ice. I assume that he "earned" the initial 10min when complaining that incident to referee.

 

[Joe MacMillan]

The game is rolling along well for Russia in the 2nd, not looking good for Finland, and then the crowd gets apprehensive and starts jeering and screaming for a penalty at every collision or body check (you could easily hear them), and then the Canadian ref caves in and starts calling a stream of penalties against Russia that puts them on the power play for the remainder of the period. Momentum broken, tide turned, game outcome affected. That's what the record shows as transpiring. Suspicion confirmed.

The Russians took two penalties in the 2nd period: one for tripping while Juolevi was skating for a loose puck in the defensive zone which prevented him from clearing the puck out of the zone, and the other for hooking resulting in a lost scoring chance for Lammikko (IIRC) as he drove to the net in the offensive zone.

Which of the penalties should have not been called in your opinion? Both were clear-cut infractions under the IIHF rules.

 

[jj cale]

So boring.

It is always the same thing year after year.

And next year, the fans of the team that won gold this year will be the ones saying they were ripped off next year when they lose, and the cycle continues.

For once I would like to see fans of all the teams remember this. When they win, they have to defend themselves from some fans of the opposing team that say the refs got them the gold, you would think they would recall that when the time comes and the team they cheer for loses but some of them can't be quick enough to engage in the same behaviour the minute they are on the losing side.

Freaking madness.


Well deserved win for Finland and they should enjoy it, but I sure hope their fans remember some of the bellyaching launched at your team the next time Finland goes down. But I honestly don't hold out much hope from what i've witnessed in the past here during your teams tense losses.

And this goes for fans of all the other teams too. I've never seen a sport so rife with accusations of reffing conspiracies as international hockey.

We should be embarrassed as fans.

 

[jepjepjoo]

The game is rolling along well for Russia in the 2nd, not looking good for Finland, and then the crowd gets apprehensive and starts jeering and screaming for a penalty at every collision or body check (you could easily hear them), and then the Canadian ref caves in and starts calling a stream of penalties against Russia that puts them on the power play for the remainder of the period. Momentum broken, tide turned, game outcome affected. That's what the record shows as transpiring. Suspicion confirmed.

Here's the 2nd period box score. Kinda contradicts with your story.

23:55 2 min RUS 7. SVECHNIKOV Yevgeni Tripping
28:08 2 min RUS 4. SHARIPZYANOV Damir Hooking

 

[Plural]

http://www.iltalehti.fi/nuorten-mm-jaakiekko/2016010620919842_nu.shtml



Now Bragin is blaming the schedule. Had Russia played their semi's in the same time as Finland, they would have won the final.

It's like sore losing is embedded in to these people.

 

[aphyro]

http://www.iltalehti.fi/nuorten-mm-jaakiekko/2016010620919842_nu.shtml



Now Bragin is blaming the schedule. Had Russia played their semi's in the same time as Finland, they would have won the final.

It's like sore losing is embedded in to these people.

Well if the "lack" of rest was the problem for the Russian team at this age of their players, then i think Russia must work on the stamina for the guys

At this age you are practically like a never ending force

 

[FinPanda]

Lol it was the same for us in 2014 against Sweden and we still won. Stop making excuses Russia.

 

[paragon]

http://www.iltalehti.fi/nuorten-mm-jaakiekko/2016010620919842_nu.shtml



Now Bragin is blaming the schedule. Had Russia played their semi's in the same time as Finland, they would have won the final.

It's like sore losing is embedded in to these people.

Well who knows? He can speculate all he wants. It's not going to turn silver to gold. It's the prerogative of the host to set the schedules and every host, including Russia, does it in home teams favor.

 

[Pandaman11]

So Finland was...

- down 0-2 against Slovakia
- down 1-2 and 3-4 against the Czech Rep.
- down 0-2 and 2-3 against Canada
- down 0-1 against Sweden
- down 0-1 and 1-2 against Russia

...and they've won every single one of those games and the tournament.

Sick.